(08-25-2022 10:36 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:34 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:22 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:01 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 11:58 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  If you're talking about the B10, I think NC/Duke is more likely than NC/VA.

Partially because Maryland has already happened.

Could it be a thing like that ACC “core” of UVA and the NC schools looking at Maryland and thinking, “been there, done that, no thanks?” Of course, more ACC schools heading in makes working with Maryland again a bit more palatable, but, I got the impression some bridges were burnt when UMD left and sparred a bit with the ACC before settling.

FSU/UMFL might be the two UMD might be ok with, or two that don’t mind the Terps. FSU especially, since both UMD and FSU voted against the exit fee increase (sort of the smoke before the UMD-B1G fire). That is, if FSU meets the B1G profile…which I kinda doubt.

Well, FSU would be in the upper half of B1G publics (US News rankings) and the trajectory is better than perhaps all of them over the past 20 years...so there's that. AAU looks like a very near-shot at this point, soon (medical expansion alone has something like half a $billion budgeted between Tally and Panama City in the latest cycle or 2). B1G leadership is smart enough to know where FSU stands in 2022 as an institution. T

The SEC is absolutely the best overall fit and where I expect them to land.

FSU would be a great add to the Big 10. If ND was to EVER join I hope the Big grabs FSU and Miami.

Ya heard it here first folks : )

If having FSU/Miami as partners was the only thing required by ND to join the B1G...the ACC GoR would wind up in a shallow grave somewhere in Chicagoland before daybreak.

(08-25-2022 11:12 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  @TerryD, I see your comment about Michigan to Frank above, out of curiosity as I'm not a Notre Dame man, what do the Irish think about Miami? I loved the Catholics vs Convicts game back in 88'

ND decided to stop playing Miami after the 1990 game, I believe.

That was when the "Convicts" moniker for Miami was appropriate.

Since then, ND and Miami resumed playing, especially since the ND/ACC deal.

The games have not had much passion to them since then, though.

I was at the 2010 Sun Bowl game versus Miami. It was pretty clear early on that Miami didn't want to play in the cold, snowy weather.

There weren't many Miami fans there.

I know the "Turnover Chain" was active during Miami's 2017 win against ND (the only time an ACC team has beat ND in the regular season in the past five years. The
ACC is 1-24 v. ND during that time).

That was a fairly rowdy game, but nowhere near the "Convict" days of the 80's.

I don't really have a strong opinion of Miami circa 2022. They are just another ACC team to me. They all seem pretty similar.

I would like to see a revival of the old ND/Miami days of several decades past, though. I think that would be fun.

(08-25-2022 01:13 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 10:36 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:34 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:22 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:01 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Could it be a thing like that ACC “core” of UVA and the NC schools looking at Maryland and thinking, “been there, done that, no thanks?” Of course, more ACC schools heading in makes working with Maryland again a bit more palatable, but, I got the impression some bridges were burnt when UMD left and sparred a bit with the ACC before settling.

FSU/UMFL might be the two UMD might be ok with, or two that don’t mind the Terps. FSU especially, since both UMD and FSU voted against the exit fee increase (sort of the smoke before the UMD-B1G fire). That is, if FSU meets the B1G profile…which I kinda doubt.

Well, FSU would be in the upper half of B1G publics (US News rankings) and the trajectory is better than perhaps all of them over the past 20 years...so there's that. AAU looks like a very near-shot at this point, soon (medical expansion alone has something like half a $billion budgeted between Tally and Panama City in the latest cycle or 2). B1G leadership is smart enough to know where FSU stands in 2022 as an institution. T

The SEC is absolutely the best overall fit and where I expect them to land.

FSU would be a great add to the Big 10. If ND was to EVER join I hope the Big grabs FSU and Miami.

Ya heard it here first folks : )

If having FSU/Miami as partners was the only thing required by ND to join the B1G...the ACC GoR would wind up in a shallow grave somewhere in Chicagoland before daybreak.

I don't know what you've heard, but there are absolutely not any cement filled 50-gallon drums at the bottom of Lake Michigan. So I'm sure that the GoR is perfectly safe...

(08-25-2022 12:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:45 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 06:01 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 11:58 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 08:12 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  I would think in a UVA/UNC pair, UNC is Maryland++ and UVA is Rutgers++.

Also, Online posters who project grand strategic projects onto conference moves where the project then never "completes" might not be seeing a failed Grand Strategy, but rather the absence of a Grand Strategy they were only imagining.

If you're talking about the B10, I think NC/Duke is more likely than NC/VA.

Partially because Maryland has already happened.

Could it be a thing like that ACC “core” of UVA and the NC schools looking at Maryland and thinking, “been there, done that, no thanks?” Of course, more ACC schools heading in makes working with Maryland again a bit more palatable, but, I got the impression some bridges were burnt when UMD left and sparred a bit with the ACC before settling.

FSU/UMFL might be the two UMD might be ok with, or two that don’t mind the Terps. FSU especially, since both UMD and FSU voted against the exit fee increase (sort of the smoke before the UMD-B1G fire). That is, if FSU meets the B1G profile…which I kinda doubt.

Prior to June 30th, maybe. Of course, that's a comparison between the current ACC and the known departure of Maryland to the Big Ten as opposed to the current ACC and a hypothetical departure of any ACC school to the SEC (who those schools have different types of issues with, primarily on academic culture).

After June 30th, though, Duke and UVA have to be looking at Stanford and Cal still sitting there without a P2 home with higher academic rankings in a larger market and they'll be taking the first invite from the Big Ten or SEC that they can get.

UNC is the only school in that group that actually has a legitimate choice to make between the Big Ten or SEC. (FWIW, I believe that UNC looks slightly more like an SEC school, UVA looks slightly more like a Big Ten school, and Duke looks completely more like a Big Ten school.) When schools like Stanford, Cal, Washington and Oregon are still floundering, a lot of the schools that we thought should be totally safe in a P2 world clearly aren't clearly safe.

About the bolded, I basically agree. If I am a Miami or a Duke, e.g., watching schools like Stanford and Oregon twist in the wind would make me think twice about initiating any move to break the GOR or dissolve the ACC.

But I also think that if I'm an ACC school, I factor in geography too. Yes, the B1G jettisoned geography for USC and UCLA. But, USC is an undeniable blue-blood, and normal rules don't apply to the handful of true blue bloods.

IMO, if Oregon and Washington and Stanford were located in the midwest, they would be in the B1G, or if they were currently in the Big 12, they'd have already have been accepted in to the B1G. That distance out to the coast does mean something, IMO.

Heck, I am not sure the B1G wants to create a "travel pod" or whatever it is called for USC and UCLA. Right now, for football the burden of that long travel is basically all on them - they will constantly be shuttling to the midwest to play games, but an Iowa or a Michigan or a Penn State might have to fly out there to play one of them maybe once every other year, which is basically no different than doing so for OOC games. Yes, other sports will travel more frequently out west, but basketball teams are used to flying all over anyway. Not the same as football, IMO. But create a "west coast wing" with 4-6 PAC teams and now everyone in the B1G "core" is likely doing a lot more flying out there.

Point is, IMO there are geographic barriers to Stanford, Oregon etc getting in to the B1G. The same would not apply to ACC schools that seek to join the SEC, or even B1G.

That's a point, but supposedly sources are saying the Big 10 wants a west coast pod for USC/UCLA's benefit.

(08-24-2022 12:59 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 10:36 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 10:18 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  So, is the thought that it plays out like this:

1) The B1G goes to 20 schools with four new additions: Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland.

2) The Big XII goes to 16 schools, with four additions: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, Cincinnati, West Virginia, and UCF.

3) The remaining PAC-2, Oregon State and Wazzu, either join or the Mountain West, or invite, more interestingly, attempt to rebuild the PAC by adding San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise, UNLV, Utah State, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, SMU, and UTSA.

4) ND stays independent for now.

5) The ACC and SEC make no moves.

6) Hawai’i goes independent again, Nevada and and San Jose State join C-USA for football and the Big West for all other sports.

7) The AAC stays at 12.

Wyoming is not on your list but they would be the 4th MWC school left behind. If those 4 didn't want to rebuild or couldn't then I'm sure they could work something out with CUSA.

It would be interesting what happens to the MWC leftovers, assuming the PAC-2 picks off its best members. Assuming Hawaii, SJSU, Wyoming, Nevada or some other combo of 4 teams are left, is that enough to rebuild the MWC. NMSU and UTEP would definitely be interested but its not clear the MWC is any better than CUSA at that point. Maybe it would be time to do that MWC-CUSA merger that was rumored a long time ago.

The BIG will go to 20 with the addition of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and California.

The nBig12 will add the six remaining PAC killing off the PAC.

The nBig 12 will also go to 20 with 4 divisions.

EAST: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Memphis and West Virginia.

Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech.

Prairie: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas and Kansas State

Pacific: Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State.

ACC and SEC remain the same and Notre Dame stays Independent

MW: Air Force, Colorado State, Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, Utah State, Wyoming. Adds UTEP and Wichita State.

AAC losing Memphis and Wichita State adds FIU.

CUSA losing UTEP and FIU add EKU and Stephen F. Austin.