(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 12:47 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The GOR is still considerable and there is nothing that says the ACC can't thrive and approach at least SEC money 10 years down the line.

Nothing other than cold, hard reality

ACC has a lot markets with NIL potential.

If the Big Ten goes after 4 more Pac-12 schools, that is it for the conference.

It's either 10 or 0.

(08-18-2022 01:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  If the Big Ten goes after 4 more Pac-12 schools, that is it for the conference.

It's either 10 or 0.

I tend to agree.

(08-18-2022 01:02 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  If the Big Ten goes after 4 more Pac-12 schools, that is it for the conference.

It's either 10 or 0.

I tend to agree.

Me too. IMO the PAC cannot afford any more losses and remain a viable conference.

(08-18-2022 01:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  If the Big Ten goes after 4 more Pac-12 schools, that is it for the conference.

It's either 10 or 0.

Even with 2 more the PAC is done. Corner schools jump to B12 and you’re left with 4 members. Perhaps the you merge the best of the rest between the PAC and MWC:

UW
WSU
OSU
Cal
Boise St.
SDSU
Fresno
UNLV
CSU
Utah St.
Hawaii (FB)
Gonzaga (BB)
Nevada

Not terrible. Nice regional conference that makes sense geographically and culturally.

If the BIG takes California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington, the remaining six could end up in the Big 12 and leaving Four Power Conferences.

Big 20 - East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

A variation would be to add memphis in the East, move houston to the Central.

Also move Arizon and Arizona State to the Pacific and BYU and Utah to the West.

(08-18-2022 01:17 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  If the BIG takes California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington, the remaining six could end up in the Big 12 and leaving Four Power Conferences.

Big 20 - East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

The B12 adds two more G5 schools and 2 G5 caliber schools is OSU and WSU? I don’t see it. They’re better off at 16.

(08-18-2022 01:17 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  If the BIG takes California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington, the remaining six could end up in the Big 12 and leaving Four Power Conferences.

Big 20 - East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

If the XII ended up expanding with the remaining 6 PAC schools to get to 18, they'll either sit at 18 or expand to 20 with 2 of Memphis, San Diego St, and South Florida. That being said, Oregon St and Washington St may not get XII invites and be stuck with joining the MWC.

(08-18-2022 01:09 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  If the Big Ten goes after 4 more Pac-12 schools, that is it for the conference.

It's either 10 or 0.

Even with 2 more the PAC is done. Corner schools jump to B12 and you’re left with 4 members. Perhaps the you merge the best of the rest between the PAC and MWC:

UW
WSU
OSU
Cal
Boise St.
SDSU
Fresno
UNLV
CSU
Utah St.
Hawaii (FB)
Gonzaga (BB)
Nevada

Not terrible. Nice regional conference that makes sense geographically and culturally.

UW would go to the Big 12 before playing in that.

(08-18-2022 01:21 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:17 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  If the BIG takes California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington, the remaining six could end up in the Big 12 and leaving Four Power Conferences.

Big 20 - East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

The B12 adds two more G5 schools and 2 G5 caliber schools is OSU and WSU? I don’t see it. They’re better off at 16.

Adding the six school keeps the Power 5 teams protected as the Big 12 knows what it feels like to lose Power 5 designation as they thought could happen to them. Plus it gives the Big 12 with more leverage in marketing for a better deal. Even for Conference Championship matching the four division winners into semifinal and championship games. Getting to 20, add either Memphis or SMU and Boise state.

(08-18-2022 12:51 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 12:47 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The GOR is still considerable and there is nothing that says the ACC can't thrive and approach at least SEC money 10 years down the line.

Nothing other than cold, hard reality

ACC has a lot markets with NIL potential.

Not sure what that has to do with the ACC ever approaching $EC payouts again. Not gonna happen. FSU, Clemson and Miami may find creative ways to compete with teams in the 2 big boy conferences for the short-term...but they're going to be doing so on a much smaller budget. And from top to bottom, the SEC and B1G will be in much better shape than the vast majority of ACC schools in football.

(08-18-2022 01:27 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:21 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:17 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  If the BIG takes California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington, the remaining six could end up in the Big 12 and leaving Four Power Conferences.

Big 20 - East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

The B12 adds two more G5 schools and 2 G5 caliber schools is OSU and WSU? I don’t see it. They’re better off at 16.

Adding the six school keeps the Power 5 teams protected as the Big 12 knows what it feels like to lose Power 5 designation as they thought could happen to them. Plus it gives the Big 12 with more leverage in marketing for a better deal. Even for Conference Championship matching the four division winners into semifinal and championship games. Getting to 20, add either Memphis or SMU and Boise state.

It’s possible but it depends on the money. Money drives realignment, and if that means Big 12 members take less money to add those schools, it’s not going to happen. I’m just not sure OSU and WSU would foot the bill. I know the G5 schools definitely don’t.

Stanford Colorado (dropping Cal) would be hilarious. I don't see that happening though. Four corners may as well get out of dodge now.

(08-18-2022 01:34 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:27 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:21 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:17 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  If the BIG takes California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington, the remaining six could end up in the Big 12 and leaving Four Power Conferences.

Big 20 - East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State and West Virginia

Central: Baylor, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech

West: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State

Pacific: Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

The B12 adds two more G5 schools and 2 G5 caliber schools is OSU and WSU? I don’t see it. They’re better off at 16.

Adding the six school keeps the Power 5 teams protected as the Big 12 knows what it feels like to lose Power 5 designation as they thought could happen to them. Plus it gives the Big 12 with more leverage in marketing for a better deal. Even for Conference Championship matching the four division winners into semifinal and championship games. Getting to 20, add either Memphis or SMU and Boise state.

It’s possible but it depends on the money. Money drives realignment, and if that means Big 12 members take less money to add those schools, it’s not going to happen. I’m just not sure OSU and WSU would foot the bill. I know the G5 schools definitely don’t.

If you look at fan base and home game attendance, Oregon State and Washington State have higher number than the G5 schools and if you think about spotlighting rivalry games and late night games, plus streaming whether APPLE, Netflix or Amazon to money brought it could be better than what the Big 12 has now. Plus having the schools in four division helps.

(08-18-2022 10:06 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  How can the ACC members just sit back and watch?

$100M each in the B1G and SEC and the ACC can look forward to $40M....

Someone going to attempt to break the GOR. I can't see Miami and FSU with their army of lawyers and politician letting this opportunity pass them bye.

Cool down there skippy. It’s a 7 year deal. GOR is on the hook for 14. Even a freshman economics major understands the money won’t add up for that short of a guarantee.

(08-18-2022 10:13 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 10:06 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  How can the ACC members just sit back and watch?

$100M each in the B1G and SEC and the ACC can look forward to $40M....

Someone going to attempt to break the GOR. I can't see Miami and FSU with their army of lawyers and politician letting this opportunity pass them bye.

...definitely the next step... the obvious ACC teams will have SEC and/or B1G as their 'suitors', but I think the key to the whole thing MAY be the BigXII courting the 'OBE' teams (Pitt, 'Cuse, perhaps even BC) to give WV and Cincy some regional buds... if THAT happens, not sure if ANY of the ACC programs will be 'left behind', other than perhaps WF, and even THEY might get a BigXII lifeline, as somewhat of a 'bridge' between the aforementioned 'OBE pod' and UCF (well, that's a bit of a stretch, but who knows...if it ensures the dissolution of the ACC w/o GOR ramifications, it may happen).

ESPN has the money to buy the Big XII

I don't think Wash. State and Oregon State get left behind. Would be very difficult for this to happen. I think if more PAC teams get poached...then full merger talk comes back.

Question then becomes does Big 12 stay at 18 or go to 20...and with who....?

Candidates from West to East are....SDSU, Boise, SMU, Memphis, USF. It would be 2 of those 5 IMO.

Conference would be tilted western geography wise. I still contend the conference really needs some more eastern teams to build out a eastern side of league. UCF is really on an island.

Pullman WA to Orlando is 2900 miles. 5 Hour flight. Wow.

I think we need some details on the "escalator clause".

If any school they add will add the same amount of revenue, that's a different ballgame.

(08-18-2022 01:09 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 01:01 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  If the Big Ten goes after 4 more Pac-12 schools, that is it for the conference.

It's either 10 or 0.

Even with 2 more the PAC is done. Corner schools jump to B12 and you’re left with 4 members. Perhaps the you merge the best of the rest between the PAC and MWC:

UW
WSU
OSU
Cal
Boise St.
SDSU
Fresno
UNLV
CSU
Utah St.
Hawaii (FB)
Gonzaga (BB)
Nevada

Not terrible. Nice regional conference that makes sense geographically and culturally.

I would love to see Cal in that conference. It would be incredible.

(08-18-2022 02:06 PM)Boots Wrote:  I don't think Wash. State and Oregon State get left behind. Would be very difficult for this to happen. I think if more PAC teams get poached...then full merger talk comes back.

Question then becomes does Big 12 stay at 18 or go to 20...and with who....?

Candidates from West to East are....SDSU, Boise, SMU, Memphis, USF. It would be 2 of those 5 IMO.

Conference would be tilted western geography wise. I still contend the conference really needs some more eastern teams to build out a eastern side of league. UCF is really on an island.

Pullman WA to Orlando is 2900 miles. 5 Hour flight. Wow.

Big 12 wouldn't take all of those western teams to begin with. They will add 4 Western teams. 5 or 6 if Oregon/Washington/Stanford are available. Otherwise, it will be some configuration of the 4C schools and maybe SDSU, it could even be just 2. They also wouldn't add those eastern teams before it is clear what happens with the ACC. Why pick up SMU and USF when Pitt/Louisville/Georgia Tech/NC State could be on the table? There is no rush on the Big 12's end of things.