(08-04-2022 10:58 AM)chess Wrote:  How sad. Imagine 9 years taken from your life.

Imagine not researching the laws of another country before travelling there.. Or better yet knowing the rules and thinking you're above the law.

(08-04-2022 11:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 10:58 AM)chess Wrote:  How sad. Imagine 9 years taken from your life.

Imagine not researching the laws of another country before travelling there.. Or better yet knowing the rules and thinking you're above the law.

No doubt what she did was criminally stupid. But that doesn't make the situation she finds herself in just. You're looking at a political system when you're looking at the Russian criminal justice system. The two can be indistinguishable. That's not something that you or I should respect. The United States does have a duty to US citizens who find themselves incarcerated under those types of systems. You just don't sit back and go 'well what she did was illegal under Russian law and the Russian judicial system' .. that's said I'm still not sure that we should make any kind of trade. Especially the kinds that have been suggested. This just encourages more bad behavior on the part of the Russians.

(08-04-2022 12:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 11:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 10:58 AM)chess Wrote:  How sad. Imagine 9 years taken from your life.

Imagine not researching the laws of another country before travelling there.. Or better yet knowing the rules and thinking you're above the law.

No doubt what she did was criminally stupid. But that doesn't make the situation she finds herself in just. You're looking at a political system when you're looking at the Russian criminal justice system. The two can be indistinguishable. That's not something that you or I should respect. The United States does have a duty to US citizens who find themselves incarcerated under those types of systems. You just don't sit back and go 'well what she did was illegal under Russian law and the Russian judicial system' ..

Tell ya what hoss.. You go over and do the same thing, and let's see if you get 9 years.

The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Damn if this was only Lebron...LeBron....

Can we ship his idiot ass over there next.

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(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

(08-04-2022 12:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

Why should we have any reaction? It's their country. It's their system. She was there as a guest.

(08-04-2022 12:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

If the laws of a country state that you could get 9 years for bringing drugs into their country, we should react just like we are. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

He doesnt get a "get out of penal free card" because of his privilege.

Kneel during the national anthem, and you will quickly find out I dont give 2 f*cks.

(08-04-2022 12:13 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

Why should we have any reaction? It's their country. It's there system. She was there as a guest.

Sure it's their law in their system. Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Let me give you an example, say your daughter gets a job it goes to Saudi Arabia. While there She's accused of Witchcraft which is a crime in Saudi Arabia. Her punishment is to be stoned to death which is a method of punishment in Saudi Arabia. Wouldn't you be in favor of the US government attempting to get her out of the country? Or would you be okay with hey honey I'm sorry but it's their law their system.

(08-04-2022 12:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:13 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

Why should we have any reaction? It's their country. It's there system. She was there as a guest.

Sure it's their law in their system. Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Let me give you an example, say your daughter gets a job it goes to Saudi Arabia. While there She's accused of Witchcraft which is a crime in Saudi Arabia. Her punishment is to be stoned to death which is a method of punishment in Saudi Arabia. Wouldn't you be in favor of the US government attempting to get her out of the country? Or would you be okay with hey honey I'm sorry but it's their law their system.

You left out the part where she committed witchraft and pled guilty to it.

(08-04-2022 12:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:13 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

Why should we have any reaction? It's their country. It's there system. She was there as a guest.

Sure it's their law in their system. Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Let me give you an example, say your daughter gets a job it goes to Saudi Arabia. While there She's accused of Witchcraft which is a crime in Saudi Arabia. Her punishment is to be stoned to death which is a method of punishment in Saudi Arabia. Wouldn't you be in favor of the US government attempting to get her out of the country? Or would you be okay with hey honey I'm sorry but it's their law their system.

Stupid analogy. My daughter won't be going to Saudi Arabia.

(08-04-2022 12:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

What about when our own citizens are incarcerated here with no bail for trespassing on government property?

(08-04-2022 12:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 12:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  The US preaches the rule of law, but wants to short circuit other countries laws at every possibility. If anyone thinks Russians don’t get sentences just like hers for the same crime, think again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how we should react when a US citizen is incarcerated under those systems.

What about when our own citizens are incarcerated here with no bail for trespassing on government property?

/thread.

Amazing how we wail about the unfairness of Russia when US citizens have been treated just as bad in THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

Biden* will do what he has to do to get Griner free out of that RU prison but he could give a healthy $h1t LESS about those US citizens imprisoned without legal representation in Wash DC for over a year now.

If trump was pres she'd be on her way home smoking a big bob marley joint

To bad filth

When christians sneak into places like N Korea to preach and spread the word and they get caught and executed or sentenced to ridiculously long labor sentences I say thats what those morons get. Same thing in this case. Even still, in both cases it is ridiculous sentences.

(08-04-2022 10:58 AM)chess Wrote:  How sad. Imagine 9 years taken from your life.

She only has herself to blame.

(08-04-2022 01:10 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

the mag title is XACLY! what she received....

just another dipshite in the land o' too many...

Ha! I called it. Well done, Time.

Part II is she will get a load of commercial deals from woke companies when this is all done.

(08-04-2022 12:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  No doubt what she did was criminally stupid. But that doesn't make the situation she finds herself in just. You're looking at a political system when you're looking at the Russian criminal justice system. The two can be indistinguishable. That's not something that you or I should respect. The United States does have a duty to US citizens who find themselves incarcerated under those types of systems. You just don't sit back and go 'well what she did was illegal under Russian law and the Russian judicial system' .. that's said I'm still not sure that we should make any kind of trade. Especially the kinds that have been suggested. This just encourages more bad behavior on the part of the Russians.

Ummm if a Russian citizen came here and broke a US law, would they not be held accountable by US legal standards (or at least what they used to be back in the 20-teens?).

To make the point

Let's pick on two "crimes" and both countries.

Crime 1: Illegal Drugs
- A Russian comes to the US with a vile of Cocaine - gets caught and the punishment in the US is 3 years in Prison
- An American goes to Russia with the same payload, but In Russia that is a 20 year prison sentence

Crime 2: Prostitution
- A Russian woman decides to sell some love in the US and get's caught. In the US that is a 10 year prison sentence
- An America woman decides she want's to get paid for the Russian DipStick and get's caught. In Russia that is 6 months in the slammer.

Are you are basically saying in Crime 1we should not respect Russian law simply because it is treated more severely than the same thing in the US?

I can only assume in Case 2, you disagree with US rule of law because it is more harsh than the way Russia handles it?



I do see your confusion however, now that penalties for laws broken in our country seem to be highly negotiable these days, you think that should also apply across the globe.

In this case (Griner) if Russia handles every case similarly - she can rot for the next 9 years like the rest of the same offenders. If she was treated differently (AKA - politically) that is a much different story.