(07-28-2022 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 10:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  --Houston gets projected in the NY6 by 90% of the too-early bowl projections

The bolded is nonsense. The line above is wrong from my observations of various top 25's I've seen but maybe I'm not following the same ones as you. There are a few that are usually better then the others i tend to follow more closely.

mcmurphy, espn, 247, sports illustrated all have houston going to the cotton bowl (ny6) in bowl projections

cbs is the other major one but they have not released a too early bowl projection yet

espn, cbs and ncaa.com all have houston the highest ranked g5 in their most recent top 25...

You understand one guy doesn't speak for all of a site, right? Espn has multiple preseason polls with uc higher than Houston. You linked to one earlier from one guy that had Houston higher. Reducing espn to one projection is nonsense.

(07-28-2022 01:14 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 10:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  --Houston gets projected in the NY6 by 90% of the too-early bowl projections

The bolded is nonsense. The line above is wrong from my observations of various top 25's I've seen but maybe I'm not following the same ones as you. There are a few that are usually better then the others i tend to follow more closely.

mcmurphy, espn, 247, sports illustrated all have houston going to the cotton bowl (ny6) in bowl projections

cbs is the other major one but they have not released a too early bowl projection yet

espn, cbs and ncaa.com all have houston the highest ranked g5 in their most recent top 25...

You understand one guy doesn't speak for all of a site, right? Espn has multiple preseason polls with uc higher than Houston. You linked to one earlier from one guy that had Houston higher. Reducing espn to one projection is nonsense.

i love a good link.. post it

ps i know you wont find it, as espn designates 1 person to do "ESPN's" top 25, and
Mark Schlabach is the head of the college football writers..

i honestly dont know why you are fighting this.. but feel free to post the links

(07-28-2022 11:36 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 11:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 09:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Aresco’s opening statements were a good representation of what college football is at today and set a couple of statements that were interesting.
1. FBS should withdraw from NCAA
2. 12team playoff with 6 auto bids or 16 with 8 auto bids is what he will push for.

This is what I came to this thread looking for - couldn't care less about pre-season rankings and expectations.

What I found interesting here is Aresco mentioning the 16 with 8 autobids idea.

This could reflect the fact that the B1G commissioner just mentioned a 16 team format being on the table.

It also could reflect the reality that, with the denigration of AAC membership relative to the MW and SBC, the AAC might not be the near sure-thing for a playoff spot in a 6+6 format that it would likely have been before the realignment of the past year. 8+8 seems a lot safer in terms of getting an AAC team in.

IMO the reality is, though, as long as the SEC doesn't budge from 6+6, that is where we likely end up.

We'll see.

Be careful. You will walk in the room negotiating for 8 autobids and the SEC and B1G will interpret this as only meaning multiple autobids for each of their two conferences. I can see them wanting 2 autobids each.

With that being said, I would never agree to this if I was the SEC. The B1G is weaker than the SEC as far as on the field performance. Outside of Ohio State and the very rare Michigan as of late, there are usually 4-6 SEC teams stronger than the rest of the B1G.

I don't think the SEC would agree to it either. I was just commenting on Aresco mentioning it, and why he might have done so.

Shocknawe loves the fact that Bearcats picked second in poll Bearcats can use as motivation to win the conference title for the third straight year. Shocknawe sick of realignment talk and is excited for the 2022 season to start!

this whole thread backs my point

the fact that houston is the favorite seems to be surprising to many, becuase houston fans havent been bragging about it or posting links is the point (theres non stop houston will be great links on the houston forum) and how there is lower traffic here.. holgerson who is actually embracing the expectations said some wild things a while back.. that im glad wasn't posted here lol

when Cincinnati is the favorite*
-i flat says cincy is a better team, doesnt say houston will beat them, but that with how overlooked houston has been i like our chances as we could maybe sneak one
* 8 cincy fans none stop bagger me... 1 does it for months (for having a feeling of "we might have a chance")

When houston in the favorite*
- litely mentions houston is the favorite in a post not tied to football, and wasnt even part of my big point of (which was houston fans dont post here like that) ..tons of cincy and ucf fans bagger and insult me for insinuating houston is the favorite. when in fact Houston is the favorite

(07-28-2022 01:52 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  Shocknawe loves the fact that Bearcats picked second in poll Bearcats can use as motivation to win the conference title for the third straight year. Shocknawe sick of realignment talk and is excited for the 2022 season to start!

your players said the same thing at media day "fuel to the fire"

(07-28-2022 11:36 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 11:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 09:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Aresco’s opening statements were a good representation of what college football is at today and set a couple of statements that were interesting.
1. FBS should withdraw from NCAA
2. 12team playoff with 6 auto bids or 16 with 8 auto bids is what he will push for.

This is what I came to this thread looking for - couldn't care less about pre-season rankings and expectations.

What I found interesting here is Aresco mentioning the 16 with 8 autobids idea.

This could reflect the fact that the B1G commissioner just mentioned a 16 team format being on the table.

It also could reflect the reality that, with the denigration of AAC membership relative to the MW and SBC, the AAC might not be the near sure-thing for a playoff spot in a 6+6 format that it would likely have been before the realignment of the past year. 8+8 seems a lot safer in terms of getting an AAC team in.

IMO the reality is, though, as long as the SEC doesn't budge from 6+6, that is where we likely end up.

We'll see.

Be careful. You will walk in the room negotiating for 8 autobids and the SEC and B1G will interpret this as only meaning multiple autobids for each of their two conferences. I can see them wanting 2 autobids each.

With that being said, I would never agree to this if I was the SEC. The B1G is weaker than the SEC as far as on the field performance. Outside of Ohio State and the very rare Michigan as of late, there are usually 4-6 SEC teams stronger than the rest of the B1G.

That misinterpretation would imply that their leadership is stupid, which I don't think is the case.

Either way. 6+6 or 6+10 is the most reasonable approach. No one from top to bottom is complaining at this point about that setup.

As a UCF fan, I'm glad we're not first, something to aim for.

Houston having 1 more vote than Cincinnati is a product of how the media votes not Houston being a meaningful favorite. This is so silly. UC has more first place votes. But all three of UC, Houston and UCF received a meaningful number of first place votes. There is no clear favorite. The reason Houston held at one is Houston avoids both UCF and UC... so those that took UC or UCF at 1 would be more inclined to take Houston at 2 because they are predicting either UC or UCF will have a loss to the other.

Here is "ESPN" with Cincinnati higher https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...tions-2022

Here is "ESPN" with Cincinnati higher https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi

It all depends where you look at who you are reading. UC is a slight Vegas favorite, Houston is a slight favorite based on just looking at that media poll as a whole. UCF is right there too. It's not very hard to understand that there isn't a clear favorite in the AAC this year.

(07-28-2022 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  this whole thread backs my point

the fact that houston is the favorite seems to be surprising to many, becuase houston fans havent been bragging about it or posting links is the point (theres non stop houston will be great links on the houston forum) and how there is lower traffic here.. holgerson who is actually embracing the expectations said some wild things a while back.. that im glad wasn't posted here lol

when Cincinnati is the favorite*
-i flat says cincy is a better team, doesnt say houston will beat them, but that with how overlooked houston has been i like our chances as we could maybe sneak one
* 8 cincy fans none stop bagger me... 1 does it for months (for having a feeling of "we might have a chance")

When houston in the favorite*
- litely mentions houston is the favorite in a post not tied to football, and wasnt even part of my big point of (which was houston fans dont post here like that) ..tons of cincy and ucf fans bagger and insult me for insinuating houston is the favorite. when in fact Houston is the favorite

This is literally the smallest slight I’ve ever seen anybody get this upset about.

And by the way, the board slowed down because the sports in this league slowed down, with a smaller effect because of a few schools fanbases moving some traffic to the Big 12 board. Stop trying to paint it as anything other than that. Houston being favored had nothing to do with it considering it was very unclear until now that would be the case. I think the vote being 1 apart demonstrates that pretty clearly.

(07-28-2022 02:36 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Houston having 1 more vote than Cincinnati is a product of how the media votes not Houston being a meaningful favorite. This is so silly. UC has more first place votes. But all three of UC, Houston and UCF received a meaningful number of first place votes. There is no clear favorite. The reason Houston held at one is Houston avoids both UCF and UC... so those that took UC or UCF at 1 would be more inclined to take Houston at 2 because they are predicting either UC or UCF will have a loss to the other.

Here is "ESPN" with Cincinnati higher https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...tions-2022

Here is "ESPN" with Cincinnati higher https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi

It all depends where you look at who you are reading. UC is a slight Vegas favorite, Houston is a slight favorite based on just looking at that media poll as a whole. UCF is right there too. It's not very hard to understand that there isn't a clear favorite in the AAC this year.

you just dropped 2 computer rankings .. that no one considers "espns top 25"...
those clearly distinguish themselves by stating its bpi and s&p+ "projections"

even you have to realize you are reaching now... is this the hill you are choosing to die on...

ill help you out
*best mark voice* "oh didn't realize houston was seen as the favorite by the media outlets, im more of an analytics person and the computers i saw liked Cincinnati.. i still dont buy Houston and ultimately think Cincinnati will win the league, but i guess its fine to call houston the preseason favorites"

sidenote: fickell said in interviews today that houston should be the favorite, went on tangent on what we have coming back and said it wasn't a slight to cincy as he would vote houston too (the reporter asked if he felt slighted by it)..and how he wants to play us in the ccg

(07-28-2022 02:45 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  this whole thread backs my point

the fact that houston is the favorite seems to be surprising to many, becuase houston fans havent been bragging about it or posting links is the point (theres non stop houston will be great links on the houston forum) and how there is lower traffic here.. holgerson who is actually embracing the expectations said some wild things a while back.. that im glad wasn't posted here lol

when Cincinnati is the favorite*
-i flat says cincy is a better team, doesnt say houston will beat them, but that with how overlooked houston has been i like our chances as we could maybe sneak one
* 8 cincy fans none stop bagger me... 1 does it for months (for having a feeling of "we might have a chance")

When houston in the favorite*
- litely mentions houston is the favorite in a post not tied to football, and wasnt even part of my big point of (which was houston fans dont post here like that) ..tons of cincy and ucf fans bagger and insult me for insinuating houston is the favorite. when in fact Houston is the favorite

This is literally the smallest slight I’ve ever seen anybody get this upset about.

And by the way, the board slowed down because the sports in this league slowed down, with a smaller effect because of a few schools fanbases moving some traffic to the Big 12 board. Stop trying to paint it as anything other than that. Houston being favored had nothing to do with it considering it was very unclear until now that would be the case. I think the vote being 1 apart demonstrates that pretty clearly.

this is the continuation of conversation from another thread.. i was called an idiot multiple times in the other thread for saying houston is the favorite .. noted how i dont seem to comprehend how favorites work by others ..the slight wasnt here.. people get upset at way less on an hourly basis over here ..

Preseason polls are meaningless. Post season polls say it all.

Enjoy the "because I say so" victory since in reality that's all it is.

I love the disrespect. It's deserved. We've done nothing, but show a little progress in the program last year. It's great motivation and what does a writer halfway across the country know about our personnel anyway?

It's nice to have two of the lead dogs at our place this season. Maybe we get a chance to have a say in who wins this league.

We will see how we measure up. The good thing is that is settled on the field, now matter what the pollsters say or how deserving we are.

It's just the way we like it and we're use to it even in our own state.

More with less has been our creed!

Nothing is given. We have to take to earn!

A Pirate is most dangerous when underestimated. Ye be warned!!!

Pesik said 80% have houston in the access bowl. In the aac media poll less than 30 percent had Houston winning the aac. Makes sense.

(07-28-2022 03:11 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Pesik said 80% have houston in the access bowl. In the aac media poll less than 30 percent had Houston winning the aac. Makes sense.

yes becuase they all make bowl projections????

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why are you fighinting so hard for this???? i dont get it

(07-28-2022 03:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 03:11 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Pesik said 80% have houston in the access bowl. In the aac media poll less than 30 percent had Houston winning the aac. Makes sense.

yes becuase they all make bowl projections????

'

why are you fighinting so hard for this???? i dont get it

Because as meaningless as they are, your claims are asinine

You can’t make the access bowl without winning your conference.

Therefore 17 of the 24 people polled in this meaningless poll don’t think Houston will make the access bowl.

(07-28-2022 03:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Because as meaningless as they are, your claims are asinine

stxrunner so we are clear... this is because i said houston is the favorite in both sports

(07-28-2022 11:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 09:39 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Aresco’s opening statements were a good representation of what college football is at today and set a couple of statements that were interesting.
1. FBS should withdraw from NCAA
2. 12team playoff with 6 auto bids or 16 with 8 auto bids is what he will push for.

This is what I came to this thread looking for - couldn't care less about pre-season rankings and expectations.

What I found interesting here is Aresco mentioning the 16 with 8 autobids idea.

This could reflect the fact that the B1G commissioner just mentioned a 16 team format being on the table.

It also could reflect the reality that, with the denigration of AAC membership relative to the MW and SBC, the AAC might not be the near sure-thing for a playoff spot in a 6+6 format that it would likely have been before the realignment of the past year. 8+8 seems a lot safer in terms of getting an AAC team in.

IMO the reality is, though, as long as the SEC doesn't budge from 6+6, that is where we likely end up.

We'll see.

Well last years final AP Poll had 7 conference champs and one Independent. Maybe 8+8 is not so crazy after all.

(07-28-2022 03:08 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Preseason polls are meaningless. Post season polls say it all.

Enjoy the "because I say so" victory since in reality that's all it is.

I love the disrespect. It's deserved. We've done nothing, but show a little progress in the program last year. It's great motivation and what does a writer halfway across the country know about our personnel anyway?

It's nice to have two of the lead dogs at our place this season. Maybe we get a chance to have a say in who wins this league.

We will see how we measure up. The good thing is that is settled on the field, now matter what the pollsters say or how deserving we are.

It's just the way we like it and we're use to it even in our on state.

More with less has been our creed!

Nothing is given. We have to take to earn!

A Pirate is most dangerous when underestimated. Ye be warned!!!

Bingo