(07-21-2022 11:00 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 08:10 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 08:06 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-20-2022 05:19 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-20-2022 10:21 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  We sit high on the FBS throne and look down our noses at "D1" FCS...Ha! D1. Cracks me up every time.

Oh boy....nmsu is "high on the FBS throne", huh? LOL, not sure if I've ever read a more moronic statement.

Looking down your nose? I remember when nmsu tried looking down its nose at Tarleton and got punched in the mouth!

I believe the term used by your own people was "demolished"...

https://nmsuroundup.com/17304/sports/nm-...on-opener/

FBS > "D1" FCS

Debatable. I’d argue the top quarter of FCS >the bottom quarter of FBS. You could argue that even the bottom quarter of FBS receives more income than even the best FCS teams and you’d be correct. The other half of that equation shows that The FBS teams will also spend more, and the net loss is greater for FBS than FCS teams.

It’s not debatable. NMSU has been at the bottom of FBS for decades. That’s a fact. And we make millions as an FBS team, FBS is what is on TV, players want to go to FBS programs, FBS is worth tons of free publicity, etc. I could go on and on. FBS is better than FCS.

Agree to disagree. You make make millions but you spend what you make and much more. what kind of publicity is there for losing by a lopsided margin to another G5 team on ESPN2 or ESPNU?

(07-22-2022 07:39 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 11:00 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 08:10 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 08:06 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-20-2022 05:19 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Oh boy....nmsu is "high on the FBS throne", huh? LOL, not sure if I've ever read a more moronic statement.

Looking down your nose? I remember when nmsu tried looking down its nose at Tarleton and got punched in the mouth!

I believe the term used by your own people was "demolished"...

https://nmsuroundup.com/17304/sports/nm-...on-opener/

FBS > "D1" FCS

Debatable. I’d argue the top quarter of FCS >the bottom quarter of FBS. You could argue that even the bottom quarter of FBS receives more income than even the best FCS teams and you’d be correct. The other half of that equation shows that The FBS teams will also spend more, and the net loss is greater for FBS than FCS teams.

It’s not debatable. NMSU has been at the bottom of FBS for decades. That’s a fact. And we make millions as an FBS team, FBS is what is on TV, players want to go to FBS programs, FBS is worth tons of free publicity, etc. I could go on and on. FBS is better than FCS.

Agree to disagree. You make make millions but you spend what you make and much more. what kind of publicity is there for losing by a lopsided margin to another G5 team on ESPN2 or ESPNU?

If you make millions and then get to spend said millions, that's a good thing, no? If you are on ESPN or any other platform, for any reason at all, that's free publicity, no? Players want to play on the biggest stage and FBS is a bigger stage than FCS, no? You are being silly saying that FCS is better than FBS. If that were true, teams would be angling to move down to FCS all the time since it is better.

(07-25-2022 08:37 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-22-2022 07:39 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 11:00 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 08:10 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 08:06 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  FBS > "D1" FCS

Debatable. I’d argue the top quarter of FCS >the bottom quarter of FBS. You could argue that even the bottom quarter of FBS receives more income than even the best FCS teams and you’d be correct. The other half of that equation shows that The FBS teams will also spend more, and the net loss is greater for FBS than FCS teams.

It’s not debatable. NMSU has been at the bottom of FBS for decades. That’s a fact. And we make millions as an FBS team, FBS is what is on TV, players want to go to FBS programs, FBS is worth tons of free publicity, etc. I could go on and on. FBS is better than FCS.

Agree to disagree. You make make millions but you spend what you make and much more. what kind of publicity is there for losing by a lopsided margin to another G5 team on ESPN2 or ESPNU?

? You are being silly saying that FCS is better than FBS. If that were true, teams would be angling to move down to FCS all the time since it is better.

1.If you make millions and then get to spend said millions, that's a good thing, no.

Not if you make 3 million and spend five.

2. If you are on ESPN or any other platform, for any reason at all, that's free publicity, no?

It isn’t necessary to move to FBS to be on tv. We are FCS and on ESPN+ Every week, except for the week we play Missouri on the SEC Network.

3. Players want to play on the biggest stage and FBS is a bigger stage than FCS, no?

Yes. That doesn’t necessarily translate to winning football games though.
In our region last year A number of FCS teams beat FBS schools.
Montana over Washington
Northern Arizona over Arizona
Eastern Washington over UNLV
South Dakota State over Colorado State
UIW over Texas State.

It’s the same every year. Tune in the North Dakota State v Arizona game, for example.

Every school has to make the decision it thinks is best for its program. My personal opinion is that just as there are FCS programs that could be competitive at the FBS level, there are unsuccessful FBS programs that would be better served at the FCS level.

(07-25-2022 09:47 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 08:37 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-22-2022 07:39 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 11:00 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-21-2022 08:10 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  Debatable. I’d argue the top quarter of FCS >the bottom quarter of FBS. You could argue that even the bottom quarter of FBS receives more income than even the best FCS teams and you’d be correct. The other half of that equation shows that The FBS teams will also spend more, and the net loss is greater for FBS than FCS teams.

It’s not debatable. NMSU has been at the bottom of FBS for decades. That’s a fact. And we make millions as an FBS team, FBS is what is on TV, players want to go to FBS programs, FBS is worth tons of free publicity, etc. I could go on and on. FBS is better than FCS.

Agree to disagree. You make make millions but you spend what you make and much more. what kind of publicity is there for losing by a lopsided margin to another G5 team on ESPN2 or ESPNU?

? You are being silly saying that FCS is better than FBS. If that were true, teams would be angling to move down to FCS all the time since it is better.

1.If you make millions and then get to spend said millions, that's a good thing, no.

Not if you make 3 million and spend five.

2. If you are on ESPN or any other platform, for any reason at all, that's free publicity, no?

It isn’t necessary to move to FBS to be on tv. We are FCS and on ESPN+ Every week, except for the week we play Missouri on the SEC Network.

3. Players want to play on the biggest stage and FBS is a bigger stage than FCS, no?

Yes. That doesn’t necessarily translate to winning football games though.
In our region last year A number of FCS teams beat FBS schools.
Montana over Washington
Northern Arizona over Arizona
Eastern Washington over UNLV
South Dakota State over Colorado State
UIW over Texas State.

It’s the same every year.

Every school has to make the decision it thinks is best for its program. My personal opinion is that just as there are FCS programs that could be competitive at the FBS level, there are unsuccessful FBS programs that would be better served at the FCS level.

NMSU has stayed under budget in 10 of the last 12 years. Covid screwed them over a few years ago and I don't know the reason we didn't meet our budget the other year we were in the red. But NMSU does not make $3M and spend $5M.

If you want to debate that FCS teams regularly beat FBS teams, that the bottom of the FBS (NMSU) is not as good as the top of the FCS and things like that, no need to argue. I agree with you.

But that is not what I am talking about. Saying you are FBS has more cache than saying FCS. Athletes prefer to play at FBS schools. We make way more money as FBS, money that funds our FB and other sports programs. We have way more games on linear TV, not just ESPN+. You can have the last word, I'm tired of arguing with you. All things being equal, FBS is way, way, way better than FCS. That is not debatable.

Choosing FCS or FBS is pretty unique to what a school is trying to be or become. The Ivy League is FCS by choice. So are many other universities who have aspirations that change from time to time. There are a lot of ways to thrive as educational institutions other than football division one subdivision. They all have their own unique reasons for whatever they try to do.

(07-25-2022 10:24 AM)RCI Wrote:  Choosing FCS or FBS is pretty unique to what a school is trying to be or become. The Ivy League is FCS by choice. So are many other universities who have aspirations that change from time to time. There are a lot of ways to thrive as educational institutions other than football division one subdivision. They all have their own unique reasons for whatever they try to do.

NMSU isn't choosing FBS or trying to become something. We have always been FBS or whatever the top tier of college FB is. And we always will be.

(07-25-2022 11:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 10:24 AM)RCI Wrote:  Choosing FCS or FBS is pretty unique to what a school is trying to be or become. The Ivy League is FCS by choice. So are many other universities who have aspirations that change from time to time. There are a lot of ways to thrive as educational institutions other than football division one subdivision. They all have their own unique reasons for whatever they try to do.

NMSU isn't choosing FBS or trying to become something. We have always been FBS or whatever the top tier of college FB is. And we always will be.

D1-A=FBS
D1-AA=FCS

When Football was in the SBC, NMSU had a study conducted on the costs of dropping to FCS. It would cost the university millions to transition down. Our media rights holder, Learfield, pays NMSU a millions dollars a year. They said if we go FCS it will become $250,000-$300,000 a year. When NMSU held its media rights in house we only made $400,000 a year. Under Armour also said they would cut our apparel deal down.

If NMSU went FCS, it could never again host UNM or UTEP in football. Neither one would want to pay to play us in their stadiums.

(07-25-2022 12:55 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 11:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 10:24 AM)RCI Wrote:  Choosing FCS or FBS is pretty unique to what a school is trying to be or become. The Ivy League is FCS by choice. So are many other universities who have aspirations that change from time to time. There are a lot of ways to thrive as educational institutions other than football division one subdivision. They all have their own unique reasons for whatever they try to do.

NMSU isn't choosing FBS or trying to become something. We have always been FBS or whatever the top tier of college FB is. And we always will be.

D1-A=FBS
D1-AA=FCS

FBS has not always been called FBS. My point is NMSU has always played in the top tier of college FB.

Fan exposure blah blah media rights blah blah millions lmao who cares? You know you’ll never see that money, right? FBS football is about the 10% schools at the top and pathetic loser programs like NMST (and apparently SHSU now as well) are fine settling in the bottom rung of a division they can’t compete in, making some cash with no aspirations of winning anything. Ever. In fact, that’s 50% of G5 programs: not serious about winning.

FCS is about the sport of football. It’s product is far and away better than anything G5 football has put out in a decade. But hey, that’s just my opinion. If you your Super Bowl is McMurphy’s tweets about body bag game payouts, then I’m sure FBS ball is great fun. Nobody in CUSA is looking down on anyone. I cannot wait til the conference just dies.

(07-25-2022 01:57 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 12:55 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 11:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 10:24 AM)RCI Wrote:  Choosing FCS or FBS is pretty unique to what a school is trying to be or become. The Ivy League is FCS by choice. So are many other universities who have aspirations that change from time to time. There are a lot of ways to thrive as educational institutions other than football division one subdivision. They all have their own unique reasons for whatever they try to do.

NMSU isn't choosing FBS or trying to become something. We have always been FBS or whatever the top tier of college FB is. And we always will be.

D1-A=FBS
D1-AA=FCS

FBS has not always been called FBS. My point is NMSU has always played in the top tier of college FB.

And very poorly I might add. Since 2000 the NMSU Aggies have had 15 seasons with 9 or more losses. They have had two winning seasons in this time frame. The Aggies have only had one winning coach in their history and that was over Fifty years ago.

(07-25-2022 11:51 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:57 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 12:55 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 11:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 10:24 AM)RCI Wrote:  Choosing FCS or FBS is pretty unique to what a school is trying to be or become. The Ivy League is FCS by choice. So are many other universities who have aspirations that change from time to time. There are a lot of ways to thrive as educational institutions other than football division one subdivision. They all have their own unique reasons for whatever they try to do.

NMSU isn't choosing FBS or trying to become something. We have always been FBS or whatever the top tier of college FB is. And we always will be.

D1-A=FBS
D1-AA=FCS

FBS has not always been called FBS. My point is NMSU has always played in the top tier of college FB.

And very poorly I might add. Since 2000 the NMSU Aggies have had 15 seasons with 9 or more losses. They have had two winning seasons in this time frame. The Aggies have only had one winning coach in their history and that was over Fifty years ago.

Don't forget, we have only been to one bowl game over the last 60 years. Oh, and we are undefeated in bowl games. We've never lost one.

FBS > FCS, you know this because TSU tried to jump from Div VII directly to FBS and skip FCS altogether. Of course CUSA said no to you multiple times, but I digress...

(07-26-2022 08:42 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 11:51 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:57 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 12:55 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 11:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  NMSU isn't choosing FBS or trying to become something. We have always been FBS or whatever the top tier of college FB is. And we always will be.

D1-A=FBS
D1-AA=FCS

FBS has not always been called FBS. My point is NMSU has always played in the top tier of college FB.

And very poorly I might add. Since 2000 the NMSU Aggies have had 15 seasons with 9 or more losses. They have had two winning seasons in this time frame. The Aggies have only had one winning coach in their history and that was over Fifty years ago.

Don't forget, we have only been to one bowl game over the last 60 years. Oh, and we are undefeated in bowl games. We've never lost one.

FBS > FCS, you know this because TSU tried to jump from Div VII directly to FBS and skip FCS altogether. Of course CUSA said no to you multiple times, but I digress...

Except in NMSU’s case if we are talking about on the field results.

As well know I’m fine with TSU being FCs so your attempt at a dig is a moot point here.

My point to you is maybe NMSU has no business in FBS and the results on the field speak for themselves.

(07-26-2022 10:15 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 08:42 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 11:51 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 01:57 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 12:55 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  D1-A=FBS
D1-AA=FCS

FBS has not always been called FBS. My point is NMSU has always played in the top tier of college FB.

And very poorly I might add. Since 2000 the NMSU Aggies have had 15 seasons with 9 or more losses. They have had two winning seasons in this time frame. The Aggies have only had one winning coach in their history and that was over Fifty years ago.

Don't forget, we have only been to one bowl game over the last 60 years. Oh, and we are undefeated in bowl games. We've never lost one.

FBS > FCS, you know this because TSU tried to jump from Div VII directly to FBS and skip FCS altogether. Of course CUSA said no to you multiple times, but I digress...

Except in NMSU’s case if we are talking about on the field results.

As well know I’m fine with TSU being FCs so your attempt at a dig is a moot point here.

My point to you is maybe NMSU has no business in FBS and the results on the field speak for themselves.

Yes Tarleton is a much better option, we just need to complete our transition. nmsu will provide an easy "W" every year when we move up. All the financial smoke and mirrors within their athletic department will be exposed and they'll end up being the Lamar of CUSA.

Meanwhile, back to preseason prognostication, what’s your best optimistic guess for the number of wins your team picks up this fall? I’m going with 8 for ACU. Losses to Missouri, Sam Houston and one of the two games vs SFA. Wins over Lamar, Prairie View, Western NM, Utah Tech,Lamar, Southern Utah, North Dakota and the home game against SFA.

I’m going with Tarleton at 8 and 3.

Losses to TCU, SFA and Sam Houston.

(07-26-2022 02:17 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  I’m going with Tarleton at 8 and 3.

Losses to TCU, SFA and Sam Houston.

That’s bold

(07-26-2022 03:35 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 02:17 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  I’m going with Tarleton at 8 and 3.

Losses to TCU, SFA and Sam Houston.

That’s bold

It’s best case senecio. Worst case, 6-5.

I think wins against Miss Valley, Eastern NM, SW Baptist, Utah Tech and Houston Baptist.

This leaves three games, North Alabama, SUU and ACU. We are capable of winning all three including road games at NA and SUU. We could also lose both. I think ACU in the Ville is a win.

(07-26-2022 04:34 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 03:35 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 02:17 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  I’m going with Tarleton at 8 and 3.

Losses to TCU, SFA and Sam Houston.

That’s bold

It’s best case senecio. Worst case, 6-5.

I think wins against Miss Valley, Eastern NM, SW Baptist, Utah Tech and Houston Baptist.

This leaves three games, North Alabama, SUU and ACU. We are capable of winning all three including road games at NA and SUU. We could also lose both. I think ACU in the Ville is a win.

Mine was an optimistic view as well. With so many new transfers and a new coaching staff we have more unknowns than usual.

One of my new coworkers just recently finished a stint as a Tarleton GA. He seems pretty confident that Tarleton is gonna make some noise but he might have a slight bias lol.