(07-09-2022 06:43 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

They'll be in the 40k range once they get into the B12.

I hope so. Cause that’s sad.

(07-09-2022 05:27 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 06:43 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

They'll be in the 40k range once they get into the B12.

I hope so. Cause that’s sad.

LOL what can WVU tell us? LOL we took yalls coach. That's pretty sad

(07-08-2022 08:43 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

not being concerned is why uH should have been left behind and looked at as "always available if desperate"

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

$9 million more in ticket sales and $20 more in donations annually is the difference between being a program that brings something to the conference and one that takes something from their students

You are ignoring an incredibly important trend in that data. UH total yearly revenue increased something like 240% from 2005 to 2019.

(07-09-2022 10:44 PM)7thyear Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:43 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

not being concerned is why uH should have been left behind and looked at as "always available if desperate"

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

$9 million more in ticket sales and $20 more in donations annually is the difference between being a program that brings something to the conference and one that takes something from their students

You are ignoring an incredibly important trend in that data. UH total yearly revenue increased something like 240% from 2005 to 2019.

that would be impressive if it was not based on student fees and academic side transfers increasing 285%+

(07-08-2022 08:43 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

not being concerned is why uH should have been left behind and looked at as "always available if desperate"

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

$9 million more in ticket sales and $20 more in donations annually is the difference between being a program that brings something to the conference and one that takes something from their students

When did the conference institute ticket revenue sharing?

(07-09-2022 11:52 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 10:44 PM)7thyear Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:43 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

not being concerned is why uH should have been left behind and looked at as "always available if desperate"

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

$9 million more in ticket sales and $20 more in donations annually is the difference between being a program that brings something to the conference and one that takes something from their students

You are ignoring an incredibly important trend in that data. UH total yearly revenue increased something like 240% from 2005 to 2019.

that would be impressive if it was not based on student fees and academic side transfers increasing 285%+

Indications that students and administration understand the need to invest in our athletics programs? Students voted for an increase in fees to help build the stadium, which was sorely needed.

The goal is for athletics to be self sustained, but that is difficult when your rights payout in CUSA/AAC level. And now we expect to see a much higher conference payout. So again. I think the trend is the key bit of information here.

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(07-09-2022 09:08 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 05:27 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 06:43 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

They'll be in the 40k range once they get into the B12.

I hope so. Cause that’s sad.

LOL what can WVU tell us? LOL we took yalls coach. That's pretty sad

I’m happy bout that. So thanks!

(07-10-2022 10:37 AM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 09:08 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 05:27 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 06:43 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

They'll be in the 40k range once they get into the B12.

I hope so. Cause that’s sad.

LOL what can WVU tell us? LOL we took yalls coach. That's pretty sad

I’m happy bout that. So thanks!

Keep that same energy once we're in league

(07-08-2022 08:12 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

Not sure your point. You asked if attendance matters anymore. I said yes because of lots of money.

Not sure what you are complaining about with butts in seats. Ticket sales bring in 10s of millions to schools both with low, middle and club seats. Unless you are saying that there is a school that only has club seats, you point has no value as all schools have all levels of seats so attendance matters.

I'm saying attendance is an outdated data point. Most stadiums are reducing quantity for quality. And no, not all stadiums have have the same % of luxury suites. I also didn't complain about anything.

(07-11-2022 08:37 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:12 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

Not sure your point. You asked if attendance matters anymore. I said yes because of lots of money.

Not sure what you are complaining about with butts in seats. Ticket sales bring in 10s of millions to schools both with low, middle and club seats. Unless you are saying that there is a school that only has club seats, you point has no value as all schools have all levels of seats so attendance matters.

I'm saying attendance is an outdated data point. Most stadiums are reducing quantity for quality. And no, not all stadiums have have the same % of luxury suites. I also didn't complain about anything.

but income from ticket sales, seat licenses, parking, and concessions is certainly not outdated

(07-09-2022 02:20 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

True my Club Seats are about $500.00 a piece.
The Suite seats are like double.

A lot of that is a required donation, which I do not know how that is reported.

When UC expands I expect in to be mostly luxury seats on east side.

That's actually pretty darn cheap...as my Stadium Club Seats are $1,050.00 each. (Tower Club is more than double that price).

(07-11-2022 08:37 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:12 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

Not sure your point. You asked if attendance matters anymore. I said yes because of lots of money.

Not sure what you are complaining about with butts in seats. Ticket sales bring in 10s of millions to schools both with low, middle and club seats. Unless you are saying that there is a school that only has club seats, you point has no value as all schools have all levels of seats so attendance matters.

I'm saying attendance is an outdated data point. Most stadiums are reducing quantity for quality. And no, not all stadiums have have the same % of luxury suites. I also didn't complain about anything.

You said "Isn't worrying about attendance numbers somewhat a thing of the past?" in reference to a UCF post on just that about improving higher price seating. I disagreed. Most ADs are going to be concerned with attendance as a percentage of their stadium. As you just said (similar to the post you questioned), many have higher dollar seating with "quality" but if they don't sell, then there is a loss of income.

I would also bet that if Cincy could sell 10,000 more seats, they would be incredibly happy about it. Right now their stadium is nice, but size limits revenue potential. Just this past year, TCU opened up many new high priced suite and loge seating which brings in more money. That attendance is good to have.

(07-11-2022 11:27 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-11-2022 08:37 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:12 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

Not sure your point. You asked if attendance matters anymore. I said yes because of lots of money.

Not sure what you are complaining about with butts in seats. Ticket sales bring in 10s of millions to schools both with low, middle and club seats. Unless you are saying that there is a school that only has club seats, you point has no value as all schools have all levels of seats so attendance matters.

I'm saying attendance is an outdated data point. Most stadiums are reducing quantity for quality. And no, not all stadiums have have the same % of luxury suites. I also didn't complain about anything.

You said "Isn't worrying about attendance numbers somewhat a thing of the past?" in reference to a UCF post on just that about improving higher price seating. I disagreed. Most ADs are going to be concerned with attendance as a percentage of their stadium. As you just said (similar to the post you questioned), many have higher dollar seating with "quality" but if they don't sell, then there is a loss of income.

I would also bet that if Cincy could sell 10,000 more seats, they would be incredibly happy about it. Right now their stadium is nice, but size limits revenue potential. Just this past year, TCU opened up many new high priced suite and loge seating which brings in more money. That attendance is good to have.

It comes up all the time, but I think the UC administration does not thing the ROI is there for an additional 10,000 general admission seats. It would be very costly given space limitations and the age of Nippert Stadium. The administration has stated they are looking to add more premium seating (they already will be adding a few hundred more field-level suites for this fall.

The athletic department will be adjusting the ticket pricing for the BXII. Quite frankly, the tickets have been a steal for quite some time. The price increases will account for significant additional revenue alone.

Nippert is one of the stadiums that I hope to visit. It looks interesting in the photos.

It is limited in expansion space, which does impact it, but additional premium seating would go a ways in helping with revenue for the program. TCU just opened up a new East Side club/premium seating area last season with a couple thousand seats. Will be good to see some more from UC. The premium seats seem to be the popular expansion route across college football these days instead of cheap seats - more bang for the buck.

(07-12-2022 10:03 AM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Nippert is one of the stadiums that I hope to visit. It looks interesting in the photos.

It is limited in expansion space, which does impact it, but additional premium seating would go a ways in helping with revenue for the program. TCU just opened up a new East Side club/premium seating area last season with a couple thousand seats. Will be good to see some more from UC. The premium seats seem to be the popular expansion route across college football these days instead of cheap seats - more bang for the buck.

Yup. I recommend it forsure! Still my favorite college football stadium I've been to and that includes all the big boys near us (Ohio State, Michigan, ND, Tennessee). The atmosphere feels like it holds 70k+ with the field sitting well below ground level and it's unintentional design where sound has no where to escape. Reach out to UC fans for tips when you come.

West Side was redone around 2014 which added all the premium seating options currently. The club seats also added 5k seats to get from 35k to 40k.

Currently, UC is working on Fickell's requests. Locker rooms are being redone and will be ready by fall. Then, next on the plate is the indoor practice facility. They are raising the funds now and I'm looking forward to the initial design renderings being released I expect no later than EOY.

I believe it's been stated by our AD but if not then common knowledge that they are waiting for a couple more seasons and if attendance stays sell out then they'll look into further expansion likely in the north end zone to add premium seating. I'd love to get up to 45-55k level but the overall number is not important anymore and premium seating is the focus so doubt it increases much past a few thousand in next 5-10 years unless the who deys decide to move out of town which is unlikely at the moment. Also, extreme restraints on construction and designs due to surrounding buildings and being in the heart of campus.

Note: Visiting Dallas for SMU game this year and looking forward to comparing TCU hopefully within 2 years.

I've never been a big fan of a stadium just because it seats 100,000. Has to have other qualities of interest. I think a stadium that can sell out for big games at least, and have unique elements such as food, architectural designs and good people.

I imagine the indoor practice facility is a must since pretty much everyone else has one.

The TCU stadium is a nice stadium. Several fun architectural elements, nice traditional look to it on the exterior with more modern inside. Plus a mix of stadium food and local. When both teams are ranked, it is a great atmosphere, but a hot September afternoon and a bad team is much quieter. (True for most teams)

(07-11-2022 11:27 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-11-2022 08:37 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:12 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

Not sure your point. You asked if attendance matters anymore. I said yes because of lots of money.

Not sure what you are complaining about with butts in seats. Ticket sales bring in 10s of millions to schools both with low, middle and club seats. Unless you are saying that there is a school that only has club seats, you point has no value as all schools have all levels of seats so attendance matters.

I'm saying attendance is an outdated data point. Most stadiums are reducing quantity for quality. And no, not all stadiums have have the same % of luxury suites. I also didn't complain about anything.

You said "Isn't worrying about attendance numbers somewhat a thing of the past?" in reference to a UCF post on just that about improving higher price seating. I disagreed. Most ADs are going to be concerned with attendance as a percentage of their stadium. As you just said (similar to the post you questioned), many have higher dollar seating with "quality" but if they don't sell, then there is a loss of income.

I would also bet that if Cincy could sell 10,000 more seats, they would be incredibly happy about it. Right now their stadium is nice, but size limits revenue potential. Just this past year, TCU opened up many new high priced suite and loge seating which brings in more money. That attendance is good to have.

I think you are missing my point, or maybe I'm missing yours. I'll make this last post and move on though.

You never hear the NFL talk about stadium size, and they basically print money. The wave of the future seems to be smaller stadiums, with more to offer, at a higher price. TV money is the real prize everyone is chasing.

Nippert is my favorite stadium, and I've been to a decent amount. The Rose Bowl, the ND stadium, and Jerry World are probably 2,3, and 4. I actually went to a rival school (Miami Ohio) and loved the stadium so much I purchased season tickets.

Nippert is neither large or high priced, so I'm not making an argument for it being sufficient as it stands. I'm saying the data point isn't viewed as it once was. Kind of like Batting Average in Baseball.

You can't replicate the in-person experience of 100K screaming fans during a football game.

(07-13-2022 08:25 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-11-2022 11:27 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-11-2022 08:37 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 08:12 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  $$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

Not sure your point. You asked if attendance matters anymore. I said yes because of lots of money.

Not sure what you are complaining about with butts in seats. Ticket sales bring in 10s of millions to schools both with low, middle and club seats. Unless you are saying that there is a school that only has club seats, you point has no value as all schools have all levels of seats so attendance matters.

I'm saying attendance is an outdated data point. Most stadiums are reducing quantity for quality. And no, not all stadiums have have the same % of luxury suites. I also didn't complain about anything.

You said "Isn't worrying about attendance numbers somewhat a thing of the past?" in reference to a UCF post on just that about improving higher price seating. I disagreed. Most ADs are going to be concerned with attendance as a percentage of their stadium. As you just said (similar to the post you questioned), many have higher dollar seating with "quality" but if they don't sell, then there is a loss of income.

I would also bet that if Cincy could sell 10,000 more seats, they would be incredibly happy about it. Right now their stadium is nice, but size limits revenue potential. Just this past year, TCU opened up many new high priced suite and loge seating which brings in more money. That attendance is good to have.

I think you are missing my point, or maybe I'm missing yours. I'll make this last post and move on though.

You never hear the NFL talk about stadium size, and they basically print money. The wave of the future seems to be smaller stadiums, with more to offer, at a higher price. TV money is the real prize everyone is chasing.

Nippert is my favorite stadium, and I've been to a decent amount. The Rose Bowl, the ND stadium, and Jerry World are probably 2,3, and 4. I actually went to a rival school (Miami Ohio) and loved the stadium so much I purchased season tickets.

Nippert is neither large or high priced, so I'm not making an argument for it being sufficient as it stands. I'm saying the data point isn't viewed as it once was. Kind of like Batting Average in Baseball.

Stadium attendance is mostly smack-talk on social media/message boards-- ditto for "number of beds on campus", the so-called "state" vs. commuter debate (note: Cincinnati is in the state system as Ohio State, Ohio University and the MAC schools and 80% of the freshmen live on campus so I don't think it has been a commuter school in about 20 years), etc. You don't hear Kirk Herbstreit and Chris Fowler say on ABC that "Well Chris, UC is a commuter school and they need to expand their stadium if they want to be able to win the conference.".