(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

And the dominoes are still falling as we speak.

(07-01-2022 04:33 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:25 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:23 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Missing info in that “projection”. Is it pre- or post-2024? Also, it does not include any media gains that a 5-team CTZ wing might add.

Also if BYU and Baylor provide most of the projected value on the new XII contract then that could be who the PAC would target.

New XII contract comes in at 12-15 mil per school if that were to happen.

I'm really confused by Baylor driving the Big12 value. Am I wrong that they're a small private kinda out in the middle of nowhere? I know they've managed to stay in power conferences forever but they don't feel like a big team to me. They've had a nice decade but I don't think of them as having a winning tradition that would be a fanbase. What am I missing? Why are they valuable?

Second highest tv ratings in league games over the last decade of the remaining 8.
Over 100k alumni in-state and solid tv ratings in major TX markets
Solid programs across the board
Most Big 12 titles of the remaining schools
Strong budget & facilities
Double the size of TCU
Actually in the TX triangle unlike Tech who hasn't won much in a long time

Had an awful 96-2009 but prior to that had been basically the third or fourth team in the old SWC when it ended over the last decade and a half before it split.

Not saying we're some giant but consistently undervalued on this board is fair.

That said in the New Big 12 you've got several at similar valuations but BU & TCU despite size have performed well in TV ratings and that can't be dismissed.

Big 12 vs Big 12 tv rating ranking:
OSU
BU
TCU
WVU
TTU
KSU/ISU depending on which years you sample




KU

A merger between the XII and the pac leftovers is prob going to happen. It’s the best short term solution for all parties

Jackson

(07-01-2022 04:39 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

And the dominoes are still falling as we speak.

A fan page article doesn't indicate falling dominoes.

(07-01-2022 04:41 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:39 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

And the dominoes are still falling as we speak.

A fan page article doesn't indicate falling dominoes.

Neither does anything Kit-Cat has been posting lately. Besides, it's at least a source. Kit-Cat hasn't provided anything to back his statements up at all.

(07-01-2022 04:37 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  TT, Houston and OSU may want to stay married to Baylor. Thinking they've got a rump of potential.

PAC can go out and get into the metroplex with TCU/SMU.

(07-01-2022 04:34 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  15-20 million per team is a death knell. I'd consider defecting fast if I'm any of those remaining schools.

To where? I doubt the Big 12 TV deal ends up much better than the PAC deal, or vice versa. Both conferences lost their mega programs who can anchor an OTA TV deal, and now only generate midlevel filler games.

Northern Cal recruiting is not the same as Texas recruiting. You go if you are Colorado and Utah. A B1G invite will come or it will not, but the Big 12 is probably a better option for now. Besides, You are probably 5-6th in the B1G pecking order for preferred expansion candidates.

Big 12 can leverage those 4 to build a western flank, and add ACC schools like UL and Pitt down the line once that conference implodes.

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

Quote:Even if Washington and Oregon stay in the new Pac-12 or whatever it might be called, the financial hit from losing the Los Angeles schools makes it worth it for Arizona to leave the conference regardless.

Its just an opinion piece.

Arizona doesn't have anything to worry about as an open chair will be there if they need it in the XII.

(07-01-2022 04:43 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:41 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:39 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

And the dominoes are still falling as we speak.

A fan page article doesn't indicate falling dominoes.

Neither does anything Kit-Cat has been posting lately.

Any other red herrings?

(07-01-2022 04:43 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

Quote:Even if Washington and Oregon stay in the new Pac-12 or whatever it might be called, the financial hit from losing the Los Angeles schools makes it worth it for Arizona to leave the conference regardless.

Its just an opinion piece.

Arizona doesn't have anything to worry about as an open chair will be there if they need it in the XII.

Um, the financial hit to the remaining Pac-12 schools due to the loss of the LA schools will be massive. So yes, the author makes a good point.

I will say this one more time: Where on this ever-loving planet are your sources to back up all the claims you've made, sir? Kansas to the Big East? Really? Either put up or shut up, pal. The ball's in your court.

(07-01-2022 04:43 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:34 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  15-20 million per team is a death knell. I'd consider defecting fast if I'm any of those remaining schools.

To where? I doubt the Big 12 TV deal ends up much better than the PAC deal, or vice versa. Both conferences lost their mega programs who can anchor an OTA TV deal, and now only generate midlevel filler games.

Northern Cal recruiting is not the same as Texas recruiting.

OK. But that doesn't really rest on the TV contract value. I expect the PAC and XII to both be very disappointed in their numbers.

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

Quote:Even if Washington and Oregon stay in the new Pac-12 or whatever it might be called, the financial hit from losing the Los Angeles schools makes it worth it for Arizona to leave the conference regardless.

It amazes me. All the smoke shows the Big 12 is the one who is gonna pouch PAC teams or the other reports of many PAC teams already reaching out to the Big 12......... but then you have the academic college football fans on this website who are stuck in their traditions and can't fathom that.

(07-01-2022 05:31 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

Quote:Even if Washington and Oregon stay in the new Pac-12 or whatever it might be called, the financial hit from losing the Los Angeles schools makes it worth it for Arizona to leave the conference regardless.

It amazes me. All the smoke shows the Big 12 is the one who is gonna pouch PAC teams or the other reports of many PAC teams already reaching out to the Big 12......... but then you have the academic college football fans on this website who are stuck in their traditions and can't fathom that.

We're skeptical. Because sometimes smoke means fire. But more often it means smoke and mirrors.

(I don't think the PAC can poach the Big 12 because of the Big 12 exit fees, and I don't think the Big 12 can poach the PAC because of academic snobbery and risk-aversion if nothing else. It's a lateral move that can easily blow up in a university president's face. I may revise that theory as the PAC TV negotiations come closer, and the numbers look bleak, but right now I don't think anybody's going anywhere.)

I found this interesting and somewhat surprising:

(07-01-2022 05:47 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I found this interesting and somewhat surprising:

So does that mean the remaining schools stand pat for now or even add a couple schools? (Like maybe from the MWC, for example.)

(07-01-2022 05:31 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 04:38 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Arizona’s 247 site (Wildcat Authority) is already prepping its fan base for a move to the Big 12.

Arizona to the Big 12 makes sense:
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Ar...189538433/

Quote:Even if Washington and Oregon stay in the new Pac-12 or whatever it might be called, the financial hit from losing the Los Angeles schools makes it worth it for Arizona to leave the conference regardless.

It amazes me. All the smoke shows the Big 12 is the one who is gonna pouch PAC teams or the other reports of many PAC teams already reaching out to the Big 12......... but then you have the academic college football fans on this website who are stuck in their traditions and can't fathom that.

There was a lot of smoke on the Big12's demise after UT and OU left. Even absurd stuff like the AAC taking schools from the Big12. Or even all the rumors of AFA and CSU leaving for the AAC. We saw how all that ended up.

Someone is going to lose members between the Big 12 and PAC 10–the question is who.

Since the presidents are in charge, I suspect the PAC 10 is the raider and not the raided but if I ran a Big 12 school, I would be weary of joining a league whose best brands could pick up and leave at a moment’s notice.

(07-01-2022 05:47 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I found this interesting and somewhat surprising:

Wow. 16 team models may be off the menu then.

PAC-14 with SDSU (San Diego), TCU/SMU (DFW) and Rice (Houston) would bring the most market territory to the PAC.

(07-01-2022 05:57 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:47 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I found this interesting and somewhat surprising:

Wow. 16 team models may be off the menu then.

PAC-14 with SDSU (San Diego), TCU/SMU (DFW) and Rice (Houston) would bring the most market territory to the PAC.

See, that league might work. Rice is an AAU school plus it still gets the Pac into the Houston market. SMU would work as well, though their affiliation with the Methodists may stand in their way a little. (If the whole "we don't want religious schools" thing is to be believed.) And shoring up SoCal with SDSU would be a great move as well. The only question is, which school is number 14? If we're talking market-wise, UNLV should get some consideration. Same with Colorado State, though I think they'd be a better fit in the Big XII.

But again, this is all speculation. We should stand pat until further developments arise.

(07-01-2022 05:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Someone is going to lose members between the Big 12 and PAC 10–the question is who.

Since the presidents are in charge, I suspect the PAC 10 is the raider and not the raided but if I ran a Big 12 school, I would be weary of joining a league whose best brands could pick up and leave at a moment’s notice.

Unless you are moving to a 50 year type situation.

BYU would be if they could get into the PAC. Its their long term ceiling. They don't want to be in a conference with WVU.

BYU, Texas Tech, OSU and KU to PAC-14. This has to be worth more than staying in the XII for those schools.