(04-29-2024 11:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (04-29-2024 11:12 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: With all due respect #s, you are *more* than willing to accept any and all allegations regarding Biden at their face value. *Without* your noted '[l]et them prove something in court, and let that stand on appeal' which follows that comment.
No, I am not. You constantly either misunderstand or misrepresent where I am coming from on this.
I am merely stating that the allegations regarding Biden need to be pursued with the same vigor that is being used against Trump.
With all respect --
"Those things simply could not happen without massive corruption by Biden."
"Biden has always been both crook and idiot. Nobody owns the houses he owns on a senator's salary without being a crook or being born rich, which he has taken great pains to assure us did not happen. The guy cheated for his law degree, and has spent his whole life cheating."
"there there are no dangers for being a serial liar in obtaining loans and bribes if you can hide it, something that Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr., has used to his benefit for decades."
Those are simple, bald, statements that Biden undertakes illegal activities (pretty much on a widespread basis in the implication) --- allegations that you have promulgated (just in the last week, mind you, and I would hazard a guess there are scores more in such a bald fashion over time.)
I dont see anywhere in there that you subject them to your same 'subject them to a court, and let it stand on appeal' that you demand for the issues surrounding Trump.
Quote:If Biden were subjected to the same kind of scrutiny that Trump has been for the last 8-10 years, I would fully expect that some of the allegations would prove up. What we know about dealings with Ukraine and China, without any significant investigation, is enough to suggest that there is fire behind all that smoke. I will agree that all we have against Biden are unproved allegations, but I will not agree that the same rule has been applied evenly to both.
The Congressional hearings into the Biden/ Ukraine/ Burisma episode were a pure shitshow.
And honestly, in terms if *what* Trump has been subject to has for much of the events boiled simply down into 'there is a fkton of stuff' there *and* Trump sets that bed himself.
Lets look at that in order, shall we?
1. Russiagate -- really two aspects. a) the collusion; b) the obstruction. With no doubt a) was a farce. The problem is that with b), Trump demanded personal fealty from Comey, and when that was not forthcoming --- fired him. For not acceding to Trumps demand to cease investigating him. That may have been justified, or maybe not. The problem is that was then investigated as a potential act of obstruction. And looking at the situation -- I understand why. And I understand why Mueller didnt clear Trump of that issue as he did with the collusion aspect.
Score -- 1 issue that *should* have been looked at (I have zero issue with the level of the matter that the collusion be looked at), and that truth of that issue lay that it seemingly was a planted issue by a rival campaign. And there is 1 issue that absolutely should have been looked at, and that one was an unforced error by Trump to act in an imperious manner and open the door to an investigation of potential obstruction.
2. Trump Ukraine impeachment -- the courts werent involved mind you. yet this is brought up as lawfare, for some reason. Score on this one is a tie --- first it was made a mountain from a molehill. But the act of an impeachment is purely a political act. The Ds had their knickers in such a wad on this they pressed that big red political impeachment act button.
*That* is a decision, and a course of action, that was purely political in nature. And built into the Constitution as such a political act. Kind of an throwback to the 'vote of no confidence' type thing.
So I am noting this as a 'wrong' against Trump, but detracted from since it was purely a political act (literally, in all aspects). And agin, DJT opened that door by being a fing idiot and trying to strongarm a putative ally into doing his political dirty work for him. Kind of seamy on both sides.
But Ill hand the round to Trump for his 'political' victimhood points.
3. Jan 6 and the attempt at short circuiting the election. Well, I think most rational people would say that when a sitting Presdent tries to short circuit that vote, it would be somewhat natural to investigate and charge that. But somehow that thought is 'victimhood'.
4. MAL and the documents -- this again is an example of Trump shitting his bed.
I would absolutely agree with you had not Trump actively and pervasively tried to obstruct the subpoena, then the equivalence with Clinton and Biden would be much stronger.
The simple matter is that he didnt do that. Instead, he **** the bed and flipped them the finger.
Yes, how dare that be charged. The horror. Trump is his own worst enemy, and he does these things like a person who feels he shouldnt ever have to answer to anything. Tough **** for him.
Quote:Do you really, seriously, honestly believe that the allegations against Biden have been pursued with the same vigor as those against Trump? I don't, and all I am asking is that they should both be pursued with equal intensity.
In all honesty, most of the items that have "been pursued with .... vigor" against Trump have a good germ of substance underneath.
In all honesty, there are two items that adhere to the area around Biden. First, there is the Ukrainian issue. There have been 18 - 24 months of 'there is a substantive development' (wash, rinse, repeat about 10 times), that, when subjected to a certain level of scrutiny -- fall apart pretty much on their face factually speaking. But the clamor is for seemingly for 'equal results' from the right. My drothers is let the facts unearthed speak for themselves.
The second Biden issue is the documents in the garage. Yes, a no-no. Absolutely. As were the Pence documents. The fundamentally major distinction is the fact (yes, fact) that Trump both fought turning over documents upon request, and then, ostensibly shat a brown stream on a real live subpoena for them to be turned over.
Sorry, no tears for Donny Boy on that. And no 'whataboutisms' based on that very major issue as well.
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