(06-14-2022 06:32 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  That plant is a few miles from Downtown LA. I am more concerned about the 2,000 employees who now work there. Manufacturing jobs are hard to find in SoCal. The company can claim its too expensive doing business in California. It just didn’t start being expensive.

I closed two plants a decade ago because of costs. I’m convinced California wants to run all manufacturing out of the state.

That pork plants property is worth more than the business to the city. There will be a fight over what they do with it.

Imagine how high costs would have been if there were American workers instead of green card workers.

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

You’re luckier than most.

I live right at 20 miles south of Louisville. Some small farms around. Mostly horse farms but a few cattle. My neighbors have chickens. I get a dozen or so free eggs every week for letting them free range in our front yard lol

I buy my beef straight from the source too. A friend of my son raises cattle. I usually get a 1/2 steer with my son getting the other half for $1000 each.
I figure with the price of beef. 1K for half a steer ain’t too bad.

Now to find pork locally…lol

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

We do this for beef since someone in the extended family raises cattle. However, urban dwellers don't have access to doing something like this.

(06-14-2022 08:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:32 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  That plant is a few miles from Downtown LA. I am more concerned about the 2,000 employees who now work there. Manufacturing jobs are hard to find in SoCal. The company can claim its too expensive doing business in California. It just didn’t start being expensive.

I closed two plants a decade ago because of costs. I’m convinced California wants to run all manufacturing out of the state.

That pork plants property is worth more than the business to the city. There will be a fight over what they do with it.

Imagine how high costs would have been if there were American workers instead of green card workers.

Ain’t that the truth.
Your not going to get white or black folks to work in a meat packing house in LA. I would guess most of the factory is Hispanic, probably Mexican.

(06-14-2022 08:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

We do this for beef since someone in the extended family raises cattle. However, urban dwellers don't have access to doing something like this.

That’s true and its unfortunate. Kids are raised thinking burgers come from McDonald’s or the meat case at Kroger.

(06-14-2022 06:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There are two separate basic issues here. Let's not conflate them.

One is the Chinese ownership of Smithfield, and indeed the preponderance of Chinese infiltration into the USA economy. A boycott may be an appropriate way to deal with that.

The other is the fact that the cost of doing business in California is driving economic activity and growth away from the state. That is the inevitable result of leftist policies. California is further left than the USA as a whole, and is thus experiencing the impact first and most.

Smithfield VA is about 10 miles from here and I know a lot of their employees, none of which have any connection to China. Frankly, nothing has changed in management and there weren't any layoffs. As long as they are still producing here and managing here, no boycott for me. Boycotting Smithfield hurts a lot more Americans than Chinese. I'd rather boycott Nike... an American company that uses no American labor. Boycotting Nike hurts very few Americans that aren't already rich.

When I was stationed in Little Creek, there was a Smithfield outlet store that sold hams and other pork products out toward Virginia Beach. They also had a small sit-down restaurant that served really good ham. I would go there on weekends a lot.

(06-14-2022 08:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Smithfield VA is about 10 miles from here and I know a lot of their employees, none of which have any connection to China. Frankly, nothing has changed in management and there weren't any layoffs. As long as they are still producing here and managing here, no boycott for me. Boycotting Smithfield hurts a lot more Americans than Chinese. I'd rather boycott Nike... an American company that uses no American labor. Boycotting Nike hurts very few Americans that aren't already rich.

The solution is to get rid of current USA tax and regulatory procedures that are driving manufacturing and American ownership away. Unfortunately, Biden and the democrats seem determined to double down on those harmful policies.

(06-14-2022 08:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

I know, of course you buy it from a local farmer. We all do…

And you only get your beef from another farmer. And you buy your thanksgiving turkey directly from a guy who sits on the eggs himself to hatch them and then feds them by hand one at a time.

If you are boycotting Smithfield pork, that has nothing to do with their beef and poultry production. They are also one of the biggest farmland owners and commodities producers in the country. If you have to time to track down who grew the corn that makes your tortilla chips, good for you. If you know who raised the pork that goes goes into the pepperoni on your pizza, wonderful. I’m sure you know where every restaurant you eat at gets their burgers… If you were ever invited anywhere, you would probably bug the host who’s feeding you about what brand the bacon is too.

They also sell a variety of products to the pharmaceutical industry. And other byproducts go into industries like leather, gelatin which is a component of many candies, flavorings, seasonings, pet food, paint brushes, all kinds of hygiene products. But Mr “Don’t Brush with a Briad Stroke” is certain he consumes NONE of their products. Oh. OK.

I’m a nutshell, you don’t know if you are boycotting Smithfield or not and it’s delusional to think you are because you claim to not buy ONE of their hundreds of products. And as I stated previously, it’s impossible to do, but the best we can do as consumers is try.

WTF is your problem? At least I am making an effort instead of just bitching about how bad America is every time I get a chance.

Please show me where I said I consume none of their products. Please show me where I said anything about beef or turkey or anything else.

In a nutshell, you're full of ****. I never said I was boycotting everything they produce. I said I buy my pork products from a local farmer who I know. You either have a reading comprehension or an honesty problem. I'm pretty sure I know which it is, comrade.

(06-14-2022 08:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

You’re luckier than most.

I live right at 20 miles south of Louisville. Some small farms around. Mostly horse farms but a few cattle. My neighbors have chickens. I get a dozen or so free eggs every week for letting them free range in our front yard lol

I buy my beef straight from the source too. A friend of my son raises cattle. I usually get a 1/2 steer with my son getting the other half for $1000 each.
I figure with the price of beef. 1K for half a steer ain’t too bad.

Now to find pork locally…lol

Yes, I consider myself very fortunate to be able to do that. Many people can't.

I also know a local cattle farmer who is considering changing his operation to only sell to individuals and local restaurants.

Thinking of getting some chickens myself and sharing the eggs with my neighbor in exchange for some goat milk.

(06-14-2022 01:13 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 08:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

You’re luckier than most.

I live right at 20 miles south of Louisville. Some small farms around. Mostly horse farms but a few cattle. My neighbors have chickens. I get a dozen or so free eggs every week for letting them free range in our front yard lol

I buy my beef straight from the source too. A friend of my son raises cattle. I usually get a 1/2 steer with my son getting the other half for $1000 each.
I figure with the price of beef. 1K for half a steer ain’t too bad.

Now to find pork locally…lol

Yes, I consider myself very fortunate to be able to do that. Many people can't.

I also know a local cattle farmer who is considering changing his operation to only sell to individuals and local restaurants.

Thinking of getting some chickens myself and sharing the eggs with my neighbor in exchange for some goat milk.

Goat milk ? I had some goat cheese one time, made me sick.

(06-14-2022 06:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There are two separate basic issues here. Let's not conflate them.

One is the Chinese ownership of Smithfield, and indeed the preponderance of Chinese infiltration into the USA economy. A boycott may be an appropriate way to deal with that.

The other is the fact that the cost of doing business in California is driving economic activity and growth away from the state. That is the inevitable result of leftist policies. California is further left than the USA as a whole, and is thus experiencing the impact first and most.

Thats the way I see it. They are just going to shift those operations to another state that isn't led by the brain damaged.

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 03:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  Make sure to support Smithfield Foods. Their Chinese owners, Shuanghui International, needs our dollars. Do stupid consumers care? Nope. Not one bit. Since they bought it, their market share is up. American tough talk about taking a stand against China stops when they smell bacon cooking apparently.

I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

Say what?

(06-14-2022 12:41 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 08:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

I know, of course you buy it from a local farmer. We all do…

And you only get your beef from another farmer. And you buy your thanksgiving turkey directly from a guy who sits on the eggs himself to hatch them and then feds them by hand one at a time.

If you are boycotting Smithfield pork, that has nothing to do with their beef and poultry production. They are also one of the biggest farmland owners and commodities producers in the country. If you have to time to track down who grew the corn that makes your tortilla chips, good for you. If you know who raised the pork that goes goes into the pepperoni on your pizza, wonderful. I’m sure you know where every restaurant you eat at gets their burgers… If you were ever invited anywhere, you would probably bug the host who’s feeding you about what brand the bacon is too.

They also sell a variety of products to the pharmaceutical industry. And other byproducts go into industries like leather, gelatin which is a component of many candies, flavorings, seasonings, pet food, paint brushes, all kinds of hygiene products. But Mr “Don’t Brush with a Briad Stroke” is certain he consumes NONE of their products. Oh. OK.

I’m a nutshell, you don’t know if you are boycotting Smithfield or not and it’s delusional to think you are because you claim to not buy ONE of their hundreds of products. And as I stated previously, it’s impossible to do, but the best we can do as consumers is try.

WTF is your problem? At least I am making an effort instead of just bitching about how bad America is every time I get a chance.

Please show me where I said I consume none of their products. Please show me where I said anything about beef or turkey or anything else.

In a nutshell, you're full of ****. I never said I was boycotting everything they produce. I said I buy my pork products from a local farmer who I know. You either have a reading comprehension or an honesty problem. I'm pretty sure I know which it is, comrade.

Say what?

Ask, and you shall receive. Thanks for the lecture on reading comprehension though lol.

Now, about this comrade nickname. In what possible world am I your comrade if you come and blast me in 3 straight messages before I even responded once? Do you actually think comrade is a Russian word or something? Cuz guess what…it’s not. It’s English. You can look it up if you want, but I’m right.

(06-14-2022 05:43 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 12:41 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 08:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

I know, of course you buy it from a local farmer. We all do…

And you only get your beef from another farmer. And you buy your thanksgiving turkey directly from a guy who sits on the eggs himself to hatch them and then feds them by hand one at a time.

If you are boycotting Smithfield pork, that has nothing to do with their beef and poultry production. They are also one of the biggest farmland owners and commodities producers in the country. If you have to time to track down who grew the corn that makes your tortilla chips, good for you. If you know who raised the pork that goes goes into the pepperoni on your pizza, wonderful. I’m sure you know where every restaurant you eat at gets their burgers… If you were ever invited anywhere, you would probably bug the host who’s feeding you about what brand the bacon is too.

They also sell a variety of products to the pharmaceutical industry. And other byproducts go into industries like leather, gelatin which is a component of many candies, flavorings, seasonings, pet food, paint brushes, all kinds of hygiene products. But Mr “Don’t Brush with a Briad Stroke” is certain he consumes NONE of their products. Oh. OK.

I’m a nutshell, you don’t know if you are boycotting Smithfield or not and it’s delusional to think you are because you claim to not buy ONE of their hundreds of products. And as I stated previously, it’s impossible to do, but the best we can do as consumers is try.

WTF is your problem? At least I am making an effort instead of just bitching about how bad America is every time I get a chance.

Please show me where I said I consume none of their products. Please show me where I said anything about beef or turkey or anything else.

In a nutshell, you're full of ****. I never said I was boycotting everything they produce. I said I buy my pork products from a local farmer who I know. You either have a reading comprehension or an honesty problem. I'm pretty sure I know which it is, comrade.

Say what?

Ask, and you shall receive. Thanks for the lecture on reading comprehension though lol.

Now, about this comrade nickname. In what possible world am I your comrade if you come and blast me in 3 straight messages before I even responded once? Do you actually think comrade is a Russian word or something? Cuz guess what…it’s not. It’s English. You can look it up if you want, but I’m right.

I’ll own it. I did say that. What I meant was that I hadn’t knowingly bought a Smithfield product, but I wasn’t clear. You got me on that.

Now how about you owning up to going completely ape **** and accusing me of saying all sorts of other things just because you didn’t like my response to you? And remember who blasted first.

(06-14-2022 01:13 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 08:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

You’re luckier than most.

I live right at 20 miles south of Louisville. Some small farms around. Mostly horse farms but a few cattle. My neighbors have chickens. I get a dozen or so free eggs every week for letting them free range in our front yard lol

I buy my beef straight from the source too. A friend of my son raises cattle. I usually get a 1/2 steer with my son getting the other half for $1000 each.
I figure with the price of beef. 1K for half a steer ain’t too bad.

Now to find pork locally…lol

Yes, I consider myself very fortunate to be able to do that. Many people can't.

I also know a local cattle farmer who is considering changing his operation to only sell to individuals and local restaurants.

Thinking of getting some chickens myself and sharing the eggs with my neighbor in exchange for some goat milk.

I believe people like us are ahead of what’s coming. I’m not one of these conspiracy nuts who thinks the world is going to fall into anarchy but I’m not naïve either.

Last year I started buying extra cases of can vegetables each trip to the grocery. People looked at me when I would push a cart full of can goods to the checkout. I built shelves in my basement for storage. Since then I’ve moved on to proteins like tuna and other canned meats.

Since I started stocking my shelves prices have nearly doubled on can vegetables. Some of the vegetables are already getting hard to find.

(06-14-2022 03:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  Make sure to support Smithfield Foods. Their Chinese owners, Shuanghui International, needs our dollars. Do stupid consumers care? Nope. Not one bit. Since they bought it, their market share is up. American tough talk about taking a stand against China stops when they smell bacon cooking apparently.

Using your logic folks should never set foot in Walmart.

(06-14-2022 07:19 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Tennessee Pride sausage- no idea who makes it but it’s good and what we buy.

As for other pork, since Memphis is the undisputed BBQ capital of the world, finding other options won’t be very hard.

Tennessee Pride is indeed a good brand, and is gaining share in Central VA Food Lion and Kroger stores.

Bass Farm from North Carolina has no preservatives and is just awesome. Sold in Food Lion in NC, and when are down that way, always pick up a few packs.

Use Gunnoes when neither of those two are available.

(06-14-2022 08:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 05:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  I haven't purchased anything made by Smithfield since they sold out to the Chinese. Put your broad brush away there comrade.

That’s easier said than done. Smithfield processes pork for many third party manufacturers. For example they sell pork shoulder for barbecue to a number of food plants.

I get my sausage, bacon and pork shoulders and anything else pork related from a local farmer. I'm certain that I am not buying anything from Smithfield.

I know, of course you buy it from a local farmer. We all do…

And you only get your beef from another farmer. And you buy your thanksgiving turkey directly from a guy who sits on the eggs himself to hatch them and then feds them by hand one at a time.

If you are boycotting Smithfield pork, that has nothing to do with their beef and poultry production. They are also one of the biggest farmland owners and commodities producers in the country. If you have to time to track down who grew the corn that makes your tortilla chips, good for you. If you know who raised the pork that goes goes into the pepperoni on your pizza, wonderful. I’m sure you know where every restaurant you eat at gets their burgers… If you were ever invited anywhere, you would probably bug the host who’s feeding you about what brand the bacon is too.

They also sell a variety of products to the pharmaceutical industry. And other byproducts go into industries like leather, gelatin which is a component of many candies, flavorings, seasonings, pet food, paint brushes, all kinds of hygiene products. But Mr “Don’t Brush with a Briad Stroke” is certain he consumes NONE of their products. Oh. OK.

I’m a nutshell, you don’t know if you are boycotting Smithfield or not and it’s delusional to think you are because you claim to not buy ONE of their hundreds of products. And as I stated previously, it’s impossible to do, but the best we can do as consumers is try.

TF is wrong with you?!?

Plenty of folks are locally sourcing their stuff every single day.

We put in our order for 10# of ground beef just yesterday at 6 bucks a pound. We’ll get it early August, just in time for the last order to run out.

Not sure of your schtick just yet, very odd.
You mad at the whole world, or just those that don’t speak Russian or Mandarin?

(06-14-2022 09:01 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 07:19 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Tennessee Pride sausage- no idea who makes it but it’s good and what we buy.

As for other pork, since Memphis is the undisputed BBQ capital of the world, finding other options won’t be very hard.

Tennessee Pride is indeed a good brand, and is gaining share in Central VA Food Lion and Kroger stores.

Bass Farm from North Carolina has no preservatives and is just awesome. Sold in Food Lion in NC, and when are down that way, always pick up a few packs.

Use Gunnoes when neither of those two are available.

Bass farm is crack to a sausage addict. South land and Border station have a great product as well. Not sure who the wholesaler is though.

Many Lbs purchased, not much makes it back home.