(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

As an FYI, I was watching Packer and Durham this morning at the ACC meetings and they had Dabo on as the first guest. He said that he prefers keeping divisions. He explained that he wasn't overly passionate about it one way or the other and he would do what is best for the conference, but his personal preference was to keep divisions and make some tweaks to them.

(05-11-2022 01:18 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

As an FYI, I was watching Packer and Durham this morning at the ACC meetings and they had Dabo on as the first guest. He said that he prefers keeping divisions. He explained that he wasn't overly passionate about it one way or the other and he would do what is best for the conference, but his personal preference was to keep divisions and make some tweaks to them.

Well good thing coaches don't vote on this. The divisions suck.

But the acc being able to make Syracuse annual for FSU and thus making them play cuse and bc together half the time would be another fu

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(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

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The divisions are written into the by-laws. Coaches can not change the by-laws, neither can the athletic directors, only the Presidents.
The Presidents are not in attendance at Amelia Island.

And no Carolina, Duke and UVa do not run the conference. If they did the ACC would not have expanded to 12 and if they had expanded at all it would have been with Miami only to get to 10.

(05-11-2022 02:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

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The divisions are written into the by-laws. Coaches can not change the by-laws, neither can the athletic directors, only the Presidents.
The Presidents are not in attendance at Amelia Island.

And no Carolina, Duke and UVa do not run the conference. If they did the ACC would not have expanded to 12 and if they had expanded at all it would have been with Miami only to get to 10.

I know who votes to make the changes. I already said good thing the coaches vote doesn't matter on this. Try to keep up

Like I said take your head out your butt if you dont notice how that trio get favoritism from the acc at every turn. I have zero doubt they'll pick their teams first and then let others go after

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(05-11-2022 02:33 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

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The divisions are written into the by-laws. Coaches can not change the by-laws, neither can the athletic directors, only the Presidents.
The Presidents are not in attendance at Amelia Island.

And no Carolina, Duke and UVa do not run the conference. If they did the ACC would not have expanded to 12 and if they had expanded at all it would have been with Miami only to get to 10.

I know who votes to make the changes. I already said good thing the coaches vote doesn't matter on this. Try to keep up

Like I said take your head out your butt if you dont notice how that trio get favoritism from the acc at every turn. I have zero doubt they'll pick their teams first and then let others go after

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Lol nobody is fighting over playing UNC, Duke, and Virginia. If FSU doesn’t get what they want I’m not sure how you can justify blaming those three.

(05-11-2022 02:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:33 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

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The divisions are written into the by-laws. Coaches can not change the by-laws, neither can the athletic directors, only the Presidents.
The Presidents are not in attendance at Amelia Island.

And no Carolina, Duke and UVa do not run the conference. If they did the ACC would not have expanded to 12 and if they had expanded at all it would have been with Miami only to get to 10.

I know who votes to make the changes. I already said good thing the coaches vote doesn't matter on this. Try to keep up

Like I said take your head out your butt if you dont notice how that trio get favoritism from the acc at every turn. I have zero doubt they'll pick their teams first and then let others go after

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Lol nobody is fighting over playing UNC, Duke, and Virginia. If FSU doesn’t get what they want I’m not sure how you can justify blaming those three.

If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

(05-11-2022 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:33 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

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The divisions are written into the by-laws. Coaches can not change the by-laws, neither can the athletic directors, only the Presidents.
The Presidents are not in attendance at Amelia Island.

And no Carolina, Duke and UVa do not run the conference. If they did the ACC would not have expanded to 12 and if they had expanded at all it would have been with Miami only to get to 10.

I know who votes to make the changes. I already said good thing the coaches vote doesn't matter on this. Try to keep up

Like I said take your head out your butt if you dont notice how that trio get favoritism from the acc at every turn. I have zero doubt they'll pick their teams first and then let others go after

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Lol nobody is fighting over playing UNC, Duke, and Virginia. If FSU doesn’t get what they want I’m not sure how you can justify blaming those three.

If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

Obviously the 11 or more teams that voted that into by by-laws to begin with.

(05-11-2022 01:18 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 01:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Coaches are reportedly tied 7-7 in keeping divisions vs the 3-5-5 format. Betting it's the coastal teams wanting to keep the division that they hand picked from the start

As an FYI, I was watching Packer and Durham this morning at the ACC meetings and they had Dabo on as the first guest. He said that he prefers keeping divisions. He explained that he wasn't overly passionate about it one way or the other and he would do what is best for the conference, but his personal preference was to keep divisions and make some tweaks to them.

Coaches want divisions so they don’t miss the CCG on a random tie-breaker. They want to win it on the field. The ACC long had the option to use some sort of mini-pods to rotate opponents every other year, but now commissioners can get the rotation without rotating their divisions as well. Sorry coaches.

(05-11-2022 03:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:33 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  The divisions are written into the by-laws. Coaches can not change the by-laws, neither can the athletic directors, only the Presidents.
The Presidents are not in attendance at Amelia Island.

And no Carolina, Duke and UVa do not run the conference. If they did the ACC would not have expanded to 12 and if they had expanded at all it would have been with Miami only to get to 10.

I know who votes to make the changes. I already said good thing the coaches vote doesn't matter on this. Try to keep up

Like I said take your head out your butt if you dont notice how that trio get favoritism from the acc at every turn. I have zero doubt they'll pick their teams first and then let others go after

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Lol nobody is fighting over playing UNC, Duke, and Virginia. If FSU doesn’t get what they want I’m not sure how you can justify blaming those three.

If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

Obviously the 11 or more teams that voted that into by by-laws to begin with.

The only way that UNC, Duke and Virginia could impose their will on a majority of ACC members is if those members were more afraid that those three would leave the conference than that other schools like Florida State or Clemson would, and that their leaving would cause a greater reduction in prestige and/or media value per school. If football truly drives the bus, it's hard to see how that would be the case.

That being said, we don't really know which way Clemson and Florida State (or anybody else for that matter) voted in the past. It's certainly possible that they believed that their own chances of getting an invite to the SEC were slim at best (and that going to the B12 wasn't better than staying in the ACC), and that UNC, Duke and UVa were more likely to get invited by either the SEC or B1G.

(05-13-2022 09:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  Lol nobody is fighting over playing UNC, Duke, and Virginia. If FSU doesn’t get what they want I’m not sure how you can justify blaming those three.

If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

Obviously the 11 or more teams that voted that into by by-laws to begin with.

The only way that UNC, Duke and Virginia could impose their will on a majority of ACC members is if those members were more afraid that those three would leave the conference than that other schools...

Here's another possibility: what if there weren't enough votes to add Miami, VT, or BC without those 3 votes - and hard-coding the divisions was a prerequisite to a "Yes"? Adding new members requires a super-majority, you know... you pretty much need a unanimous vote to change the by laws, IIRC.

(05-13-2022 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 09:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  Lol nobody is fighting over playing UNC, Duke, and Virginia. If FSU doesn’t get what they want I’m not sure how you can justify blaming those three.

If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

Obviously the 11 or more teams that voted that into by by-laws to begin with.

The only way that UNC, Duke and Virginia could impose their will on a majority of ACC members is if those members were more afraid that those three would leave the conference than that other schools...

Here's another possibility: what if there weren't enough votes to add Miami, VT, or BC without those 3 votes - and hard-coding the divisions was a prerequisite to a "Yes"? Adding new members requires a super-majority, you know... you pretty much need a unanimous vote to change the by laws, IIRC.

If only it were true, BC joined about a year after Miami and VT, but it does make a great anti Carolina/Duke/UVa story.

(05-13-2022 12:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 09:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

Obviously the 11 or more teams that voted that into by by-laws to begin with.

The only way that UNC, Duke and Virginia could impose their will on a majority of ACC members is if those members were more afraid that those three would leave the conference than that other schools...

Here's another possibility: what if there weren't enough votes to add Miami, VT, or BC without those 3 votes - and hard-coding the divisions was a prerequisite to a "Yes"? Adding new members requires a super-majority, you know... you pretty much need a unanimous vote to change the by laws, IIRC.

If only it were true, BC joined about a year after Miami and VT, but it does make a great anti Carolina/Duke/UVa story.

Duke, UNC and UVA...

(05-13-2022 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 09:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  Lol nobody is fighting over playing UNC, Duke, and Virginia. If FSU doesn’t get what they want I’m not sure how you can justify blaming those three.

If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

Obviously the 11 or more teams that voted that into by by-laws to begin with.

The only way that UNC, Duke and Virginia could impose their will on a majority of ACC members is if those members were more afraid that those three would leave the conference than that other schools...

Here's another possibility: what if there weren't enough votes to add Miami, VT, or BC without those 3 votes - and hard-coding the divisions was a prerequisite to a "Yes"? Adding new members requires a super-majority, you know... you pretty much need a unanimous vote to change the by laws, IIRC.

Sometimes the simplest and least Machiavellian answer is the best one. The divisions established in 2004 were pretty logical. The only rivalry game that wasn't kept as an annual one was FSU-Miami. That's because those were clearly the two premier football programs at the time, and it made sense for them to be in separate divisions so they could provide the most attractive CCG matchup. The second best two programs were Clemson and Virginia Tech, and it made sense to retain the Clemson-FSU rivalry so they were put in the same division and the two BE teams in the other.

It also made sense for rivals VT and Virginia to be in the same division, and if you want to have two North Carolina teams in each division why not put rivals UNC and Duke in the same division as their mutual long time rival Virginia and rivals NC State and Wake in the other. The only thing left was to decide which of the remaining 3 schools (Georgia Tech, Maryland and BC) would be the sixth team in the Coastal division. I suppose one could have made a case to put BC in the Coastal, but there wasn't a no brainer choice. It's possible that Tech asked to be the choice.

The biggest head scratcher for me was no Virginia at all in Atlantic but both NE schools.

(05-13-2022 02:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 09:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If I may... as you said, the divisions are in the by laws. Nobody puts something like divisions in their by laws! Unless they want to make sure it can't be changed AFTER the conference expands without a super majority... who do you think wanted THAT?

Obviously the 11 or more teams that voted that into by by-laws to begin with.

The only way that UNC, Duke and Virginia could impose their will on a majority of ACC members is if those members were more afraid that those three would leave the conference than that other schools...

Here's another possibility: what if there weren't enough votes to add Miami, VT, or BC without those 3 votes - and hard-coding the divisions was a prerequisite to a "Yes"? Adding new members requires a super-majority, you know... you pretty much need a unanimous vote to change the by laws, IIRC.

Sometimes the simplest and least Machiavellian answer is the best one. The divisions established in 2004 were pretty logical. The only rivalry game that wasn't kept as an annual one was FSU-Miami. That's because those were clearly the two premier football programs at the time, and it made sense for them to be in separate divisions so they could provide the most attractive CCG matchup. The second best two programs were Clemson and Virginia Tech, and it made sense to retain the Clemson-FSU rivalry so they were put in the same division and the two BE teams in the other.

It also made sense for rivals VT and Virginia to be in the same division, and if you want to have two North Carolina teams in each division why not put rivals UNC and Duke in the same division as their mutual long time rival Virginia and rivals NC State and Wake in the other. The only thing left was to decide which of the remaining 3 schools (Georgia Tech, Maryland and BC) would be the sixth team in the Coastal division. I suppose one could have made a case to put BC in the Coastal, but there wasn't a no brainer choice. It's possible that Tech asked to be the choice.

GaTech definitely without a shadow of a doubt wanted to be in the Coastal.

What should have happened was Maryland in the Coastal and VaTech in the Atlantic; no danger of a Rivalry Week rematch with Virginia involved lol

Maryland - BC
Virginia - VaTech
UNC - State
Duke - Wake
GaTech - Clemson
Miami - FSU

Remember, Clemson wasn’t the Clemson we know today. Sure Woody Dantlzer was good, but they weren’t much to write home about. Maryland was on par with them so they could have been swapped for VaTech at the time.

This would have been a cool alternate history had FSU opted for the SEC:

BC - Miami
Virginia - Maryland
VaTech - S. Carolina
UNC - State
Duke - Wake
GaTech - Clemson

(05-11-2022 11:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  Suppose Miami’s schedule depends on if Disney decides to make The Doug Flutie Story so they can pimp BC-Miami.

here’s my thought on this matter ...
since I haven’t given it a lot of thought ...
start w/ basketball partners ...

GO FROM THERE

(05-16-2022 07:33 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 11:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  Suppose Miami’s schedule depends on if Disney decides to make The Doug Flutie Story so they can pimp BC-Miami.

here’s my thought on this matter ...
since I haven’t given it a lot of thought ...
start w/ basketball partners ...

GO FROM THERE

LOGICAL