Memphis has some rich boosters, but how are they going to compete with all that 'yayo' money in Miami Beesh?

(05-23-2022 06:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Memphis has some rich boosters, but how are they going to compete with all that 'yayo' money in Miami Beesh?

When was the last time we competed with Miami in anything?

(05-23-2022 07:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Memphis has some rich boosters, but how are they going to compete with all that 'yayo' money in Miami Beesh?

When was the last time we competed with Miami in anything?

Norchad Omier

(05-23-2022 06:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:02 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 05:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 03:50 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 12:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I do not see why we need a national administration for this mess.

Is there a national administration overseeing the pay of fast-food workers?

Well sure, the department of labor enforces the minimum wage laws.

But outside of that, what is there? Nothing I know of. I don't see why college athletes are a special case. I am in favor of a "free for all" where each college pays what it wants to pay from whatever sources of funding it can tap.

I'm not sure, but advocating a free market system of professionalism in college sports one would think there has to be some type of structure. Who's going to protect these 18 year olds? Does the NFL have a structure or can the players move from team to team with zero consequence free to negotiate with others with zero accountability?

I'm 1000% good with players being payed, but if we go scorched earth scraping any organizational structure whats so ever the sport and opportunity will suffer. People will be turned off and ratings will drop off the map.

Careful what you wish for?

What do 18 year olds eligible for NIL need protection from? A lot of schools have partnered with firms like Opendorse to guide them through deals.

Fans will be turned off if college football doesn't have organizational structure? I would say the NCAA has been the absolute worst structure in the history of sports. They have hidden behind the amateurism shield for decades while taking in billions off the backs of the athletes, without sharing a dime.

The fact that it's the wild west of sorts at the moment lies squarely on their backs. And in the face of states making laws that neuter the no booster contact rule, and the schools can't be directly involved rule, what rules are left for an org to administer? No inducement? But NIL is the biggest inducement ever, and the great majority of NIL money is tied to a specific school.

Either you let players make money, or you basically restrain their ability to do so, which has already been ruled illegal by the Supreme Court.

The ONLY rule I think you can make that is enforceable and can stick is that all NIL money has to be tied to work in kind, and given only at market value based on the local economy. And even enforcing that would be a gargantuan task. Who is going to decide what is fair market value with every single local deal?

Not many 18 year olds have the ability to make best interest financial long term decisions for themselves. There are way to many external forces to navigate. Some will be fine, but not the whole. Not even close. There will be people harmed. Agents and boosters are licking their chops. Kids could change schools annually to the highest bidder. Will that help their education?

Fans are being turned off as we speak. Look at the rating declines of the NFL. That is all due to the perception of the players. It can happen and there is zero guarantee the game grows in popularity forever.

Are we finally trying to do something good for the players and is it time? Absolutely.

I just believe there has to be a better approach than what's happening right now. I think a lot of coaches and career administrators agree. Everyone is shouting what they believe right now, but no one is comprehending.

Do you mean players will be harmed by not getting as much money as they can for a deal? How is that worse than before NIL, lol?

Resources are limited and as more and more are allocated to collectives then others opportunities will be lost. These are 18 year olds and while compensated there will be cases of abuse. Let's at least be real!

But I mentioned Opendorse as an example. Their whole purpose is to advise kids and help them through deals, and the schools pay for it.

As for transfers, all other students are allowed to transfer as often as they want. Why wouldn't you allow athletes to do the same as other students? Coaches have no restrictions, either.

Coaches have buyouts and institutions receive compensation. I never liked the transfer penalty being dropped and it should be reinstated or the players should be under contract with buyouts as well.

Plus, athletes are only allowed to transfer one time before they have to sit out, unless they are a grad transfer, and at that point, they already have their degree.

They still can move with zero compensation to the institution that took the original risk on them. NFL players can't do that until they're unrestricted FA's which takes years to earn.

The only thing I think has to be done is somehow try to ensure that NIL is tied to work in kind at fair rates, but even that seems unrealistic.

Sounds reasonable to address part of the issues.

And honestly, I don't understand what you are upset about that makes you want to stop watching college sports.

I'm not upset. Just stating my views. I've only been watching AAC ball for years and recently a little Sunbelt. I haven't watch the National Championship playoff's series in years because it's become redundant. I did watch UC's game and pulled for them!



Because players can earn money off their NIL, when before, the NCAA and schools kept all the money themselves?

NIL is a great thing and this was coming for some time. This was shortsighted by the NCAA and action should have been taken on their own.

Or because players can more freely move between schools than before? Have you been upset all these years that other students could do that without penalty, and maybe harm their education? It's a free country. People make bad decisions all the time. Making rules to prevent them from making their own decisions seems very wrong to me.

I've never liked changing the transfer rule. I think I addressed above my thoughts on that. I'm not saying they can't transfer just a consequence for their actions. I don't think collectives recruiting others rosters are good for the sport.

Or is it because of cheating, with those with the most money having the advantage? It has always been like that, just more covered up and on maybe a smaller scale, who knows? Heck, I think NIL makes that part more fair, b/c more fans can support players legally, if they wish.

Yes cheating and scandals have gone on for years. Just look at UNC the poster child of academic cheating who never got more than a slap on the wrist. It's political and I don't care for it.


In many ways I agree with your views. I don't really care for the NCAA to be honest. I will say the sport has to be administered in some way and until a better solution is reached then the NCAA will have to take on that task. I hope they figure it out and do it soon.

(05-23-2022 08:57 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:02 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 05:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 03:50 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  I'm not sure, but advocating a free market system of professionalism in college sports one would think there has to be some type of structure. Who's going to protect these 18 year olds? Does the NFL have a structure or can the players move from team to team with zero consequence free to negotiate with others with zero accountability?

I'm 1000% good with players being payed, but if we go scorched earth scraping any organizational structure whats so ever the sport and opportunity will suffer. People will be turned off and ratings will drop off the map.

Careful what you wish for?

What do 18 year olds eligible for NIL need protection from? A lot of schools have partnered with firms like Opendorse to guide them through deals.

Fans will be turned off if college football doesn't have organizational structure? I would say the NCAA has been the absolute worst structure in the history of sports. They have hidden behind the amateurism shield for decades while taking in billions off the backs of the athletes, without sharing a dime.

The fact that it's the wild west of sorts at the moment lies squarely on their backs. And in the face of states making laws that neuter the no booster contact rule, and the schools can't be directly involved rule, what rules are left for an org to administer? No inducement? But NIL is the biggest inducement ever, and the great majority of NIL money is tied to a specific school.

Either you let players make money, or you basically restrain their ability to do so, which has already been ruled illegal by the Supreme Court.

The ONLY rule I think you can make that is enforceable and can stick is that all NIL money has to be tied to work in kind, and given only at market value based on the local economy. And even enforcing that would be a gargantuan task. Who is going to decide what is fair market value with every single local deal?

Not many 18 year olds have the ability to make best interest financial long term decisions for themselves. There are way to many external forces to navigate. Some will be fine, but not the whole. Not even close. There will be people harmed. Agents and boosters are licking their chops. Kids could change schools annually to the highest bidder. Will that help their education?

Fans are being turned off as we speak. Look at the rating declines of the NFL. That is all due to the perception of the players. It can happen and there is zero guarantee the game grows in popularity forever.

Are we finally trying to do something good for the players and is it time? Absolutely.

I just believe there has to be a better approach than what's happening right now. I think a lot of coaches and career administrators agree. Everyone is shouting what they believe right now, but no one is comprehending.

Do you mean players will be harmed by not getting as much money as they can for a deal? How is that worse than before NIL, lol?

Resources are limited and as more and more are allocated to collectives then others opportunities will be lost. These are 18 year olds and while compensated there will be cases of abuse. Let's at least be real!

But I mentioned Opendorse as an example. Their whole purpose is to advise kids and help them through deals, and the schools pay for it.

As for transfers, all other students are allowed to transfer as often as they want. Why wouldn't you allow athletes to do the same as other students? Coaches have no restrictions, either.

Coaches have buyouts and institutions receive compensation. I never liked the transfer penalty being dropped and it should be reinstated or the players should be under contract with buyouts as well.

Plus, athletes are only allowed to transfer one time before they have to sit out, unless they are a grad transfer, and at that point, they already have their degree.

They still can move with zero compensation to the institution that took the original risk on them. NFL players can't do that until they're unrestricted FA's which takes years to earn.

The only thing I think has to be done is somehow try to ensure that NIL is tied to work in kind at fair rates, but even that seems unrealistic.

Sounds reasonable to address part of the issues.

And honestly, I don't understand what you are upset about that makes you want to stop watching college sports.

I'm not upset. Just stating my views. I've only been watching AAC ball for years and recently a little Sunbelt. I haven't watch the National Championship playoff's series in years because it's become redundant. I did watch UC's game and pulled for them!



Because players can earn money off their NIL, when before, the NCAA and schools kept all the money themselves?

NIL is a great thing and this was coming for some time. This was shortsighted by the NCAA and action should have been taken on their own.

Or because players can more freely move between schools than before? Have you been upset all these years that other students could do that without penalty, and maybe harm their education? It's a free country. People make bad decisions all the time. Making rules to prevent them from making their own decisions seems very wrong to me.

I've never liked changing the transfer rule. I think I addressed above my thoughts on that. I'm not saying they can't transfer just a consequence for their actions. I don't think collectives recruiting others rosters are good for the sport.

Or is it because of cheating, with those with the most money having the advantage? It has always been like that, just more covered up and on maybe a smaller scale, who knows? Heck, I think NIL makes that part more fair, b/c more fans can support players legally, if they wish.

Yes cheating and scandals have gone on for years. Just look at UNC the poster child of academic cheating who never got more than a slap on the wrist. It's political and I don't care for it.


In many ways I agree with your views. I don't really care for the NCAA to be honest. I will say the sport has to be administered in some way and until a better solution is reached then the NCAA will have to take on that task. I hope they figure it out and do it soon.

I don't disagree with you. I just have zero faith in the NCAA to do anything right. And I think now they are pretty much hamstrung.

(05-23-2022 07:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 07:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Memphis has some rich boosters, but how are they going to compete with all that 'yayo' money in Miami Beesh?

When was the last time we competed with Miami in anything?

Norchad Omier

I meant football and basketball games.

(05-23-2022 07:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:42 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Memphis has some rich boosters, but how are they going to compete with all that 'yayo' money in Miami Beesh?

When was the last time we competed with Miami in anything?

Never. I'm being a smart ass poking fun at the Miami culture of drug money. We have boosters. They have Scarface.

clt says athlead was ahead of this

(05-23-2022 08:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 08:57 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 06:02 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 05:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What do 18 year olds eligible for NIL need protection from? A lot of schools have partnered with firms like Opendorse to guide them through deals.

Fans will be turned off if college football doesn't have organizational structure? I would say the NCAA has been the absolute worst structure in the history of sports. They have hidden behind the amateurism shield for decades while taking in billions off the backs of the athletes, without sharing a dime.

The fact that it's the wild west of sorts at the moment lies squarely on their backs. And in the face of states making laws that neuter the no booster contact rule, and the schools can't be directly involved rule, what rules are left for an org to administer? No inducement? But NIL is the biggest inducement ever, and the great majority of NIL money is tied to a specific school.

Either you let players make money, or you basically restrain their ability to do so, which has already been ruled illegal by the Supreme Court.

The ONLY rule I think you can make that is enforceable and can stick is that all NIL money has to be tied to work in kind, and given only at market value based on the local economy. And even enforcing that would be a gargantuan task. Who is going to decide what is fair market value with every single local deal?

Not many 18 year olds have the ability to make best interest financial long term decisions for themselves. There are way to many external forces to navigate. Some will be fine, but not the whole. Not even close. There will be people harmed. Agents and boosters are licking their chops. Kids could change schools annually to the highest bidder. Will that help their education?

Fans are being turned off as we speak. Look at the rating declines of the NFL. That is all due to the perception of the players. It can happen and there is zero guarantee the game grows in popularity forever.

Are we finally trying to do something good for the players and is it time? Absolutely.

I just believe there has to be a better approach than what's happening right now. I think a lot of coaches and career administrators agree. Everyone is shouting what they believe right now, but no one is comprehending.

Do you mean players will be harmed by not getting as much money as they can for a deal? How is that worse than before NIL, lol?

Resources are limited and as more and more are allocated to collectives then others opportunities will be lost. These are 18 year olds and while compensated there will be cases of abuse. Let's at least be real!

But I mentioned Opendorse as an example. Their whole purpose is to advise kids and help them through deals, and the schools pay for it.

As for transfers, all other students are allowed to transfer as often as they want. Why wouldn't you allow athletes to do the same as other students? Coaches have no restrictions, either.

Coaches have buyouts and institutions receive compensation. I never liked the transfer penalty being dropped and it should be reinstated or the players should be under contract with buyouts as well.

Plus, athletes are only allowed to transfer one time before they have to sit out, unless they are a grad transfer, and at that point, they already have their degree.

They still can move with zero compensation to the institution that took the original risk on them. NFL players can't do that until they're unrestricted FA's which takes years to earn.

The only thing I think has to be done is somehow try to ensure that NIL is tied to work in kind at fair rates, but even that seems unrealistic.

Sounds reasonable to address part of the issues.

And honestly, I don't understand what you are upset about that makes you want to stop watching college sports.

I'm not upset. Just stating my views. I've only been watching AAC ball for years and recently a little Sunbelt. I haven't watch the National Championship playoff's series in years because it's become redundant. I did watch UC's game and pulled for them!



Because players can earn money off their NIL, when before, the NCAA and schools kept all the money themselves?

NIL is a great thing and this was coming for some time. This was shortsighted by the NCAA and action should have been taken on their own.

Or because players can more freely move between schools than before? Have you been upset all these years that other students could do that without penalty, and maybe harm their education? It's a free country. People make bad decisions all the time. Making rules to prevent them from making their own decisions seems very wrong to me.

I've never liked changing the transfer rule. I think I addressed above my thoughts on that. I'm not saying they can't transfer just a consequence for their actions. I don't think collectives recruiting others rosters are good for the sport.

Or is it because of cheating, with those with the most money having the advantage? It has always been like that, just more covered up and on maybe a smaller scale, who knows? Heck, I think NIL makes that part more fair, b/c more fans can support players legally, if they wish.

Yes cheating and scandals have gone on for years. Just look at UNC the poster child of academic cheating who never got more than a slap on the wrist. It's political and I don't care for it.


In many ways I agree with your views. I don't really care for the NCAA to be honest. I will say the sport has to be administered in some way and until a better solution is reached then the NCAA will have to take on that task. I hope they figure it out and do it soon.

I don't disagree with you. I just have zero faith in the NCAA to do anything right. And I think now they are pretty much hamstrung.

Unfortunately, once again you are right. The Emmert Administration has been horrible. I lack faith too.

I strongly disagree with you on the transfer rule. Why is it okay for all college students in history to transfer at will, and all coaches to move freely, but restrict only athletes? All scholarships are one year contracts.

And you can't arbitrarily bind players to schools beyond that, any more than you can put a salary cap on NIL, b/c the schools aren't paying players. Third parties are, and it isn't a salary, it's (theoretically for now in some places) payment for work in kind. Like a part-time job for any other non-athlete student.

What you're advocating is actually illegal, and has been ever since Curt Flood won his lawsuit against MLB.

(05-24-2022 08:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I strongly disagree with you on the transfer rule. Why is it okay for all college students in history to transfer at will, and all coaches to move freely, but restrict only athletes? All scholarships are one year contracts.

And you can't arbitrarily bind players to schools beyond that, any more than you can put a salary cap on NIL, b/c the schools aren't paying players. Third parties are, and it isn't a salary, it's (theoretically for now in some places) payment for work in kind. Like a part-time job for any other non-athlete student.

What you're advocating is actually illegal, and has been ever since Curt Flood won his lawsuit against MLB.

We will have to disagree on that one. Bad for the game and one of the worse decisions I've seen made. It complicates roster management which provides for more than one individual and simplifies tampering by the unethical. If that remains, I prefer the contractual model of the NFL which players can move freely in time after it's earned protecting investment of the institution. There is nothing wrong with teaching our youth to earn their way and giving back to something bigger than themselves.

(05-24-2022 01:26 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 08:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I strongly disagree with you on the transfer rule. Why is it okay for all college students in history to transfer at will, and all coaches to move freely, but restrict only athletes? All scholarships are one year contracts.

And you can't arbitrarily bind players to schools beyond that, any more than you can put a salary cap on NIL, b/c the schools aren't paying players. Third parties are, and it isn't a salary, it's (theoretically for now in some places) payment for work in kind. Like a part-time job for any other non-athlete student.

What you're advocating is actually illegal, and has been ever since Curt Flood won his lawsuit against MLB.

We will have to disagree on that one. Bad for the game and one of the worse decisions I've seen made. It complicates roster management which provides for more than one individual and simplifies tampering by the unethical. If that remains, I prefer the contractual model of the NFL which players can move freely in time after it's earned protecting investment of the institution. There is nothing wrong with teaching our youth to earn their way and giving back to something bigger than themselves.

Scholarships are one year contracts, so there is nothing to protect, b/c the player fulfills his obligation by playing that year.

The schools aren't obligated to renew his scholarship, so why should the player be restricted from moving elsewhere after his one year deal is done?

If scholarships were 4 year contracts, you would have a better argument, but they aren't, and coaches recruit over players all the time.

(05-24-2022 01:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 01:26 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 08:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I strongly disagree with you on the transfer rule. Why is it okay for all college students in history to transfer at will, and all coaches to move freely, but restrict only athletes? All scholarships are one year contracts.

And you can't arbitrarily bind players to schools beyond that, any more than you can put a salary cap on NIL, b/c the schools aren't paying players. Third parties are, and it isn't a salary, it's (theoretically for now in some places) payment for work in kind. Like a part-time job for any other non-athlete student.

What you're advocating is actually illegal, and has been ever since Curt Flood won his lawsuit against MLB.

We will have to disagree on that one. Bad for the game and one of the worse decisions I've seen made. It complicates roster management which provides for more than one individual and simplifies tampering by the unethical. If that remains, I prefer the contractual model of the NFL which players can move freely in time after it's earned protecting investment of the institution. There is nothing wrong with teaching our youth to earn their way and giving back to something bigger than themselves.

Scholarships are one year contracts, so there is nothing to protect, b/c the player fulfills his obligation by playing that year.

The schools aren't obligated to renew his scholarship, so why should the player be restricted from moving elsewhere after his one year deal is done?

If scholarships were 4 year contracts, you would have a better argument, but they aren't, and coaches recruit over players all the time.

That would be an excellent compromise IMHO. You don't get to transfer, but you can get your degree even if it does not work out for sports. If a school does not want to support that, then the student can transfer whenever they want.