The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

(04-20-2022 09:21 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

Who are the 8 members? I can only account for 7, including Lamar in 2023.

(04-20-2022 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:21 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

Who are the 8 members? I can only account for 7, including Lamar in 2023.

Or they can keep the agreement with the WAC and just form a football league with the two leagues football schools.

(04-20-2022 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:21 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

Who are the 8 members? I can only account for 7, including Lamar in 2023.

Texas A&M-Commerce is moving up from D2, starting this fall.

(04-20-2022 09:57 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:21 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

Who are the 8 members? I can only account for 7, including Lamar in 2023.

Or they can keep the agreement with the WAC and just form a football league with the two leagues football schools.

Assuming the Wac has enough teams, why would they want that?

(04-20-2022 10:07 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:21 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

Who are the 8 members? I can only account for 7, including Lamar in 2023.

Texas A&M-Commerce is moving up from D2, starting this fall.

They're losing Incarnate Word in July (unless they back out of moving to the WAC), so as of now there will be 7 FB members in the Southland in 2023.

Houston Baptist
Lamar
McNeese State
Nicholls State
Northwestern State
Southeastern Louisiana
TAMU Commerce

(04-20-2022 10:10 AM)Hootyhoo Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:57 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:21 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

Who are the 8 members? I can only account for 7, including Lamar in 2023.

Or they can keep the agreement with the WAC and just form a football league with the two leagues football schools.

Assuming the Wac has enough teams, why would they want that?

Currently, the WAC will have barely enough teams for FB in 2023. Here's this upcoming season:

WAC FB 2022 (8)
Abilene Christian
Incarnate Word
Lamar
Sam Houston
Southern Utah
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State (full D1 member in 2024)
Utah Tech (full D1 member in 2024)

Losing Lamar and SHSU puts them down to the minimum of 6. UTRGV is supposed to start up FB for 2024, but I'll believe it when I see it.

(04-20-2022 10:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 10:10 AM)Hootyhoo Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:57 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:21 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN was a step up from the OVC but I really had my doubts the football side could just break off and become FBS. It involved some scheme where we’d all move into some swimming league the ASUN owned and then declaring themselves FBS. A shell game without NCAA approval. Glad we got into CUSA. Wish we’d just stayed in the OVC, but that’s water under the bridge now.

The Southland is back up to eight football members after Lamar returns and the D2 moves up. The three Big South football members (and an affiliate) found a lifeline in the OVC for now. Reaching out to the MEAC may be their only option for short term survival right now.

Who are the 8 members? I can only account for 7, including Lamar in 2023.

Or they can keep the agreement with the WAC and just form a football league with the two leagues football schools.

Assuming the Wac has enough teams, why would they want that?

Currently, the WAC will have barely enough teams for FB in 2023. Here's this upcoming season:

WAC FB 2022 (8)
Abilene Christian
Incarnate Word
Lamar
Sam Houston
Southern Utah
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State (full D1 member in 2024)
Utah Tech (full D1 member in 2024)

Losing Lamar and SHSU puts them down to the minimum of 6. UTRGV is supposed to start up FB for 2024, but I'll believe it when I see it.

It's not hard to see that if the WAC and the ASUN don't get their numbers, they will just merge into on football conference. They already had the partnership last year...

The travel wouldn't be ideal, but it is what it is.

(04-20-2022 12:07 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 10:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Currently, the WAC will have barely enough teams for FB in 2023. Here's this upcoming season:

WAC FB 2022 (8)
Abilene Christian
Incarnate Word
Lamar
Sam Houston
Southern Utah
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State (full D1 member in 2024)
Utah Tech (full D1 member in 2024)

Losing Lamar and SHSU puts them down to the minimum of 6. UTRGV is supposed to start up FB for 2024, but I'll believe it when I see it.

It's not hard to see that if the WAC and the ASUN don't get their numbers, they will just merge into on football conference. They already had the partnership last year...

The travel wouldn't be ideal, but it is what it is.

Indeed, and I've suggested this before. I suspect the ASUN will be able to snooker at least one more OVC FB school into joining, though. So if that happens and the WAC doesn't lose any more, they'll be fine as separate FB leagues, albeit barely so.

My solution to all of this:

WAC FB-Only League: Utah Tech, Southern Utah, Texas A&M Commerce, Abilene Christian, Incarnate Word, Stephen F. Austin, Tarleton State, and UTRGV.
(8 Schools located in Utah and Texas).

Southland FB-Only League: Houston Baptist, Lamar, Central Arkansas, McNeese State, Nicholls State, Northwestern State, and Southeastern Louisiana.*
(7 Schools located in Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana).

Big South FB-Only League: Robert Morris, Bryant, Delaware State, Morgan State, Norfolk State, North Carolina Central, Campbell, Gardner-Webb, South Carolina State, and Charleston Southern.
(10 Schools located in Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina).

ASUN FB-Only League: Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Illinois, Southeast Missouri, Lindenwood, Tennessee State, Tennessee Tech, Tennessee Martin, Austin Peay, North Alabama, and Kennesaw State.
(10 Schools located in Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia).

*Could grow to 8 if UNO adds football.

(04-20-2022 01:55 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  My solution to all of this:

WAC FB-Only League: Utah Tech, Southern Utah, Texas A&M Commerce, Abilene Christian, Incarnate Word, Stephen F. Austin, Tarleton State, and UTRGV.
(8 Schools located in Utah and Texas).

Southland FB-Only League: Houston Baptist, Lamar, Central Arkansas, McNeese State, Nicholls State, Northwestern State, and Southeastern Louisiana.*
(7 Schools located in Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana).

Big South FB-Only League: Robert Morris, Bryant, Delaware State, Morgan State, Norfolk State, North Carolina Central, Campbell, Gardner-Webb, South Carolina State, and Charleston Southern.
(10 Schools located in Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina).

ASUN FB-Only League: Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Illinois, Southeast Missouri, Lindenwood, Tennessee State, Tennessee Tech, Tennessee Martin, Austin Peay, North Alabama, and Kennesaw State.
(10 Schools located in Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia).

*Could grow to 8 if UNO adds football.

The Southland and OVC both need to sponsor football, as their only other men's team sports are basketball and baseball. By dropping football, they'd have to replace it with another (probably soccer).

The OVC will have four men’s soccer programs after Lindenwood and Southern Indiana move up. They could get Chicago State as an affiliate.

But they will have six football members if no one else leaves plus the four Big South affiliates.

Not a team sport, but they will also have three wrestling programs in the league.

(04-17-2022 07:35 AM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  What accolades has troy st won. I admit I don’t follow or care about troy st in anyway. But it appears they’ve not even dominated the sbc, after all this time they’re a mediocre team there. So what are their accolades?
So, I don’t see why TUNA or anyone else for that matter, can’t accomplish that. It appears several teams who have moved to the sbc from fcs has done that in short order.

Troy won five straight conference titles from 2006 to 2010, and won another one in 2017. Very few college football teams have ever won five in row. Boise and NDSU are the only two that come to mind, but there might be a few others. Troy has beaten #17 Missouri at home and #22 LSU (on the road in Death Valley). LSU was riding a 49 game non conference win streak. We were glad to be the ones to break that streak.

I've always respected your program and have been wanting to play you guys for a while now. Almost no other Troy fan cares after moving on over 20 years ago. They don't even think about you guys, but it seems like we're the only team you guys talk about, so much so that you refer to us as lowercased troy state. We dropped the state part back in 2004, but unlike you guys, we don't live in the past.

Best of luck in CUSA. I hope you guys succeed. I mean that.

(04-28-2022 11:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 07:35 AM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  What accolades has troy st won. I admit I don’t follow or care about troy st in anyway. But it appears they’ve not even dominated the sbc, after all this time they’re a mediocre team there. So what are their accolades?
So, I don’t see why TUNA or anyone else for that matter, can’t accomplish that. It appears several teams who have moved to the sbc from fcs has done that in short order.

Troy won five straight conference titles from 2006 to 2010, and won another one in 2017. Very few college football teams have ever won five in row. Boise and NDSU are the only two that come to mind, but there might be a few others. Troy has beaten #17 Missouri at home and #22 LSU (on the road in Death Valley). LSU was riding a 49 game non conference win streak. We were glad to be the ones to break that streak.

I've always respected your program and have been wanting to play you guys for a while now. Almost no other Troy fan cares after moving on over 20 years ago. They don't even think about you guys, but it seems like we're the only team you guys talk about, so much so that you refer to us as lowercased troy state. We dropped the state part back in 2004, but unlike you guys, we don't live in the past.

Best of luck in CUSA. I hope you guys succeed. I mean that.

Guy needs to utilize Wikipedia more often before he posts on other team's history

(04-28-2022 11:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 07:35 AM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  What accolades has troy st won. I admit I don’t follow or care about troy st in anyway. But it appears they’ve not even dominated the sbc, after all this time they’re a mediocre team there. So what are their accolades?
So, I don’t see why TUNA or anyone else for that matter, can’t accomplish that. It appears several teams who have moved to the sbc from fcs has done that in short order.

Troy won five straight conference titles from 2006 to 2010, and won another one in 2017. Very few college football teams have ever won five in row. Boise and NDSU are the only two that come to mind, but there might be a few others. Troy has beaten #17 Missouri at home and #22 LSU (on the road in Death Valley). LSU was riding a 49 game non conference win streak. We were glad to be the ones to break that streak.

I've always respected your program and have been wanting to play you guys for a while now. Almost no other Troy fan cares after moving on over 20 years ago. They don't even think about you guys, but it seems like we're the only team you guys talk about, so much so that you refer to us as lowercased troy state. We dropped the state part back in 2004, but unlike you guys, we don't live in the past.

Best of luck in CUSA. I hope you guys succeed. I mean that.

Just hope we get to start back up and the hate is still there or taught to the younger folks.
Lot of JSUs hate for troy state is directed towards our administration during those changing years. Your guys had more forward thinking than ours and it still pisses us off. Glad the door finally opened for us and thankful to AAC for taking UAB.

This idea will probably be met with a lot of ridicule, but I am going to throw it out there anyway:

(Traditionalists, don't look!! Your eyes will probably burn forever after seeing this)

I propose splitting up the SWAC: half merges with the A-SUN, the other half merges with the Southland. The SWAC is dissolved.

A-SUN Athletic Conference

Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Alcorn
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Austin Peay
Bethune-Cookman
Central Arkansas
Eastern Kentucky
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Kennesaw State
Mississippi Valley
North Alabama
Tennessee Tech/Tennessee State-loser gets SoCon

Southland

Grambling
Houston Baptist
Lamar
McNeese
Nicholls
Northwestern State
Prairie View A&M
Southeast Louisiana
Southern
Texas A&M-Commerce
Texas Southern

At least travel would be decent in both leagues, IMO.

(04-30-2022 01:32 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  This idea will probably be met with a lot of ridicule, but I am going to throw it out there anyway:

(Traditionalists, don't look!! Your eyes will probably burn forever after seeing this)

I propose splitting up the SWAC: half merges with the A-SUN, the other half merges with the Southland. The SWAC is dissolved.

A-SUN Athletic Conference

Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Alcorn
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Austin Peay
Bethune-Cookman
Central Arkansas
Eastern Kentucky
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Kennesaw State
Mississippi Valley
North Alabama
Tennessee Tech/Tennessee State-loser gets SoCon

Southland

Grambling
Houston Baptist
Lamar
McNeese
Nicholls
Northwestern State
Prairie View A&M
Southeast Louisiana
Southern
Texas A&M-Commerce
Texas Southern

At least travel would be decent in both leagues, IMO.

Why would the SWAC want to do that? They’re one of the very few low majors with a cohesive identity and culture behind “we exist!”

(04-30-2022 01:32 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  This idea will probably be met with a lot of ridicule, but I am going to throw it out there anyway:

(Traditionalists, don't look!! Your eyes will probably burn forever after seeing this)

I propose splitting up the SWAC: half merges with the A-SUN, the other half merges with the Southland. The SWAC is dissolved.

A-SUN Athletic Conference

Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Alcorn
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Austin Peay
Bethune-Cookman
Central Arkansas
Eastern Kentucky
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Kennesaw State
Mississippi Valley
North Alabama
Tennessee Tech/Tennessee State-loser gets SoCon

Southland

Grambling
Houston Baptist
Lamar
McNeese
Nicholls
Northwestern State
Prairie View A&M
Southeast Louisiana
Southern
Texas A&M-Commerce
Texas Southern

At least travel would be decent in both leagues, IMO.

No ridicule from me...

I would like this set up because I wouldn't like to see the SWAC broken up and I guess it's my second favorite overall setup.

ASUN (Football side only)
EKU, UCA, APSU, ETSU, Chattanooga, Tennessee Tech, Tennessee State, UNA, KSU

(I know ETSU and Chattanooga will not leave the SoCon)