Can a school just veto a team?

In the end, a school will do what’s best for the conference. See TAMU and UT/SEC. If EKU brings value to CUSA, they will be added.

(06-10-2022 02:39 PM)NJMark Wrote:  

(06-08-2022 01:12 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-08-2022 12:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-08-2022 12:40 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-08-2022 12:36 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  A10 is perceived as a better league than the MAC, even if it’s only 1 more bid. Playing VCU and Dayton is better than anything the MAC can offer. Just like the other day some LaTech fan said Georgetown sucks like UTSA and FAU, a game versus Georgetown looks better on your schedule than those other two. Same goes for A10 vs MAC. Are UMass fans going to get excited over hosting Eastern Michigan over Rhode Island? I wouldn’t think so. Same goes for Saint Bonaventure and Richmond. Who would rather see Toledo and NIU over them?

UMass could play Rhode Island non-conferece. But Saint Bonaventure and Richmond vs Toledo, NIU, and EMU??? That's a draw. My reply would be neither.

Toledo aside, that is most certainly not a draw. Saint Bonaventure and Richmond are far better programs who have decades-long basketball cultures, draw markedly better, are significantly more consistent programs, and spend way more on MBB. That holds true across the spectrum in the A-10 and MAC with a couple a exceptions at the A-10’s bottom and MAC’s top. There’s no comparison whatsoever between the 2 leagues.

Unless you are a Richmond fan or a VCU fan, which it sounds like you are a Spiders fan, most basketball folks could care less about the Spiders, IMO.

As for Saint Bonaventure, they are a located in Olean, New York. Olean is a very isolated city in western New York; from a map, it looks like it's a fairly good drive from Buffalo, the closest metro to Olean.

The Rutgers basketball play-by-play man on the commercial station would say that Olean was "not the end of the world, but you can see it from there."

That was a Lou Holtz quote, too.

(06-11-2022 01:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:03 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 04:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 01:53 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 12:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I’ll never understand the obsession some posters from West freaking Virginia have with the Great State of Texas.

You can blame the Great State of Texas for being a mediocre football school that didn’t deliver the expectations when they played in the MAC. Blame your leadership for that. Oh and before you start with UTEP, they’re as guilty as anyone especially in being a mediocre basketball school which the expectation was totally different when the conference decided to invite the Miners in 2004.

C-USA has been a mediocre conference since 2005. No BCS/NY6 bowls, no deep runs in the NCAAT except for Memphis and they got punished after Calipari left for Kentucky, few ranked teams in FB, a constant one bid league in basketball. Every school is responsible for the results on the court and field and the bad tv deal which your president voted for it. Blaming an entire state for your mediocrity is an easy way to ignore your shortcomings.

Dayum

I'll gladly compare Marshall's accomplishments to UTEP's. Just let me know.

You’re 2-2 vs UTEP in conference play. I’d hardly call that an accomplishment over one of the worst FBS programs of all time. UTEP blows Marshall out of the water in facilities. Fan support? I’d still give UTEP the edge for now. Number of BCS and NY6 bowl appearances for both schools? NONE.

Marshall has been decent in football and has pulled its weight occasionally in C-USA but you’re not a Boise State type of program either and probably never will. Good luck and so long.

Since 2005 when we both joined CUSA

Marshall
10 winning seasons
10 Bowl Games
7 - 3 Bowl Record
Ranked twice - AP 15 and AP 18. Finished the year ranked at 23
3 Division Championships
1 Conference Championship

UTEP
3 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
0 - 4 Bowl Record
Ranked once - AP 24. Finished season unranked
0 Division Championships
0 Conference Championships

And if you want to compare all time history click here….
http://www.winsipedia.com/marshall/vs/utep

Fans support comparison
Marshall 24,851 average attendance 2019
Huntington population 45,110

UTEP 21,658 average attendance 2019
El Paso population 678,815

Oh, and nowhere did I EVER mention that we were like Boise. I never compared us to anyone. Quit making a false narrative in order to deflect from your horrible football. Look at it this way. 9 schools were asked to leave CUSA and all 9 left. Marshall was asked to join a conference that didn't even need to add anyone. UTEP was left out, so don't take that out on me.

24k for a team with a winning record vs 21k for a team that won one game. That says more about your program than anything else that’s why you’re in the Sun Belt and not in the more prestigious AAC.

And why would UTEP want to go to the AAC or Sun Belt and repeat the same mistake they made by leaving the WAC in 2005? UTEP’s long term goal should be the best G5, the MWC not conferences surrounded by the SEC, Big XII and ACC. Sun Belt basketball? No thanks!

Enjoy your new home, good luck and good riddance. 3 more weeks to get rid of the basketball deadweight and I can’t wait!

Give it up dude. UTEP average attendance is 21K despite having 23k students and a city population of 679K people!!!!

Marshall average attendance is 24k with 12k students in a city of 45k people. Look over that and take your time to let it soak in.

As for basketball since 2005

Marshall
10 winning seasons
Second round of the NCAA Tournament

UTEP
11 winning seasons
First round of the NCAA Tournament

So according to you, UTEP is also deadweight in basketball and obviously deadweight in football.

(06-12-2022 10:08 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 01:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:03 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 04:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 01:53 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Dayum

I'll gladly compare Marshall's accomplishments to UTEP's. Just let me know.

You’re 2-2 vs UTEP in conference play. I’d hardly call that an accomplishment over one of the worst FBS programs of all time. UTEP blows Marshall out of the water in facilities. Fan support? I’d still give UTEP the edge for now. Number of BCS and NY6 bowl appearances for both schools? NONE.

Marshall has been decent in football and has pulled its weight occasionally in C-USA but you’re not a Boise State type of program either and probably never will. Good luck and so long.

Since 2005 when we both joined CUSA

Marshall
10 winning seasons
10 Bowl Games
7 - 3 Bowl Record
Ranked twice - AP 15 and AP 18. Finished the year ranked at 23
3 Division Championships
1 Conference Championship

UTEP
3 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
0 - 4 Bowl Record
Ranked once - AP 24. Finished season unranked
0 Division Championships
0 Conference Championships

And if you want to compare all time history click here….
http://www.winsipedia.com/marshall/vs/utep

Fans support comparison
Marshall 24,851 average attendance 2019
Huntington population 45,110

UTEP 21,658 average attendance 2019
El Paso population 678,815

Oh, and nowhere did I EVER mention that we were like Boise. I never compared us to anyone. Quit making a false narrative in order to deflect from your horrible football. Look at it this way. 9 schools were asked to leave CUSA and all 9 left. Marshall was asked to join a conference that didn't even need to add anyone. UTEP was left out, so don't take that out on me.

24k for a team with a winning record vs 21k for a team that won one game. That says more about your program than anything else that’s why you’re in the Sun Belt and not in the more prestigious AAC.

And why would UTEP want to go to the AAC or Sun Belt and repeat the same mistake they made by leaving the WAC in 2005? UTEP’s long term goal should be the best G5, the MWC not conferences surrounded by the SEC, Big XII and ACC. Sun Belt basketball? No thanks!

Enjoy your new home, good luck and good riddance. 3 more weeks to get rid of the basketball deadweight and I can’t wait!

Give it up dude. UTEP average attendance is 21K despite having 23k students and a city population of 679K people!!!!

Marshall average attendance is 24k with 12k students in a city of 45k people. Look over that and take your time to let it soak in.

As for basketball since 2005

Marshall
10 winning seasons
Second round of the NCAA Tournament

UTEP
11 winning seasons
First round of the NCAA Tournament

So according to you, UTEP is also deadweight in basketball and obviously deadweight in football.

I already admitted UTEP basketball did not deliver the expectations just like Marshall football didn’t deliver theirs. Both were big disappointments and both are guilty of what C-USA became.

As for attendance, comparing a team that went 1-11 to one that had an 8-4 record and went to a bowl game doesn’t make any sense. But here’s some trivia for you? What conference road game Marshall played in front of 52k fans? Any idea?

(06-13-2022 09:20 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 10:08 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 01:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:03 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 04:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  You’re 2-2 vs UTEP in conference play. I’d hardly call that an accomplishment over one of the worst FBS programs of all time. UTEP blows Marshall out of the water in facilities. Fan support? I’d still give UTEP the edge for now. Number of BCS and NY6 bowl appearances for both schools? NONE.

Marshall has been decent in football and has pulled its weight occasionally in C-USA but you’re not a Boise State type of program either and probably never will. Good luck and so long.

Since 2005 when we both joined CUSA

Marshall
10 winning seasons
10 Bowl Games
7 - 3 Bowl Record
Ranked twice - AP 15 and AP 18. Finished the year ranked at 23
3 Division Championships
1 Conference Championship

UTEP
3 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
0 - 4 Bowl Record
Ranked once - AP 24. Finished season unranked
0 Division Championships
0 Conference Championships

And if you want to compare all time history click here….
http://www.winsipedia.com/marshall/vs/utep

Fans support comparison
Marshall 24,851 average attendance 2019
Huntington population 45,110

UTEP 21,658 average attendance 2019
El Paso population 678,815

Oh, and nowhere did I EVER mention that we were like Boise. I never compared us to anyone. Quit making a false narrative in order to deflect from your horrible football. Look at it this way. 9 schools were asked to leave CUSA and all 9 left. Marshall was asked to join a conference that didn't even need to add anyone. UTEP was left out, so don't take that out on me.

24k for a team with a winning record vs 21k for a team that won one game. That says more about your program than anything else that’s why you’re in the Sun Belt and not in the more prestigious AAC.

And why would UTEP want to go to the AAC or Sun Belt and repeat the same mistake they made by leaving the WAC in 2005? UTEP’s long term goal should be the best G5, the MWC not conferences surrounded by the SEC, Big XII and ACC. Sun Belt basketball? No thanks!

Enjoy your new home, good luck and good riddance. 3 more weeks to get rid of the basketball deadweight and I can’t wait!

Give it up dude. UTEP average attendance is 21K despite having 23k students and a city population of 679K people!!!!

Marshall average attendance is 24k with 12k students in a city of 45k people. Look over that and take your time to let it soak in.

As for basketball since 2005

Marshall
10 winning seasons
Second round of the NCAA Tournament

UTEP
11 winning seasons
First round of the NCAA Tournament

So according to you, UTEP is also deadweight in basketball and obviously deadweight in football.

I already admitted UTEP basketball did not deliver the expectations just like Marshall football didn’t deliver theirs. Both were big disappointments and both are guilty of what C-USA became.

As for attendance, comparing a team that went 1-11 to one that had an 8-4 record and went to a bowl game doesn’t make any sense. But here’s some trivia for you? What conference road game Marshall played in front of 52k fans? Any idea?

So you only count attendance when it's convenient?

52k in attendance? you know why right?

(06-13-2022 09:33 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-13-2022 09:20 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 10:08 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 01:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:03 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Since 2005 when we both joined CUSA

Marshall
10 winning seasons
10 Bowl Games
7 - 3 Bowl Record
Ranked twice - AP 15 and AP 18. Finished the year ranked at 23
3 Division Championships
1 Conference Championship

UTEP
3 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
0 - 4 Bowl Record
Ranked once - AP 24. Finished season unranked
0 Division Championships
0 Conference Championships

And if you want to compare all time history click here….
http://www.winsipedia.com/marshall/vs/utep

Fans support comparison
Marshall 24,851 average attendance 2019
Huntington population 45,110

UTEP 21,658 average attendance 2019
El Paso population 678,815

Oh, and nowhere did I EVER mention that we were like Boise. I never compared us to anyone. Quit making a false narrative in order to deflect from your horrible football. Look at it this way. 9 schools were asked to leave CUSA and all 9 left. Marshall was asked to join a conference that didn't even need to add anyone. UTEP was left out, so don't take that out on me.

24k for a team with a winning record vs 21k for a team that won one game. That says more about your program than anything else that’s why you’re in the Sun Belt and not in the more prestigious AAC.

And why would UTEP want to go to the AAC or Sun Belt and repeat the same mistake they made by leaving the WAC in 2005? UTEP’s long term goal should be the best G5, the MWC not conferences surrounded by the SEC, Big XII and ACC. Sun Belt basketball? No thanks!

Enjoy your new home, good luck and good riddance. 3 more weeks to get rid of the basketball deadweight and I can’t wait!

Give it up dude. UTEP average attendance is 21K despite having 23k students and a city population of 679K people!!!!

Marshall average attendance is 24k with 12k students in a city of 45k people. Look over that and take your time to let it soak in.

As for basketball since 2005

Marshall
10 winning seasons
Second round of the NCAA Tournament

UTEP
11 winning seasons
First round of the NCAA Tournament

So according to you, UTEP is also deadweight in basketball and obviously deadweight in football.

I already admitted UTEP basketball did not deliver the expectations just like Marshall football didn’t deliver theirs. Both were big disappointments and both are guilty of what C-USA became.

As for attendance, comparing a team that went 1-11 to one that had an 8-4 record and went to a bowl game doesn’t make any sense. But here’s some trivia for you? What conference road game Marshall played in front of 52k fans? Any idea?

So you only count attendance when it's convenient?

52k in attendance? you know why right?

It wasn’t because of the opponent that’s for sure.

But if it makes you feel better comparing attendance from one program that constantly wins 7 games or more to one where Mike Price’s successor literally destroyed whatever was left of the football program and has been historically bad then more power to you.

(06-08-2022 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The MAC is an underrated men's basketball league and deserves more credit than some on this board realize.

That's because being the best one-bid conference is a very empty distinction. Not saying that the MAC is or isn't the best one-bid conference. Saying that being the best one-bid conference doesn't really matter.

(06-10-2022 01:56 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Delaney's idea was to ask AAC to merge with CUSA. Only Aresco LOL'd and said thanks but no thanks.

Although, seeing how AAC then took on Six (6!) C-USA members, you might say Aresco warmed up to the idea. No, it’s not exactly a “merger”. But still…

(06-13-2022 12:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-08-2022 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The MAC is an underrated men's basketball league and deserves more credit than some on this board realize.

That's because being the best one-bid conference is a very empty distinction. Not saying that the MAC is or isn't the best one-bid conference. Saying that being the best one-bid conference doesn't really matter.

Though I agree with you that being the best one-bid conference doesn't really matter, the fact that the MAC might be the best one-bid conference is not the reason I feel it is an underrated men's basketball league. Rather, I believe many MAC teams each year show more collective quality than do the teams in various similar leagues. Of course, that is very subjective (I admit).

(06-13-2022 01:21 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 01:56 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Delaney's idea was to ask AAC to merge with CUSA. Only Aresco LOL'd and said thanks but no thanks.

Although, seeing how AAC then took on Six (6!) C-USA members, you might say Aresco warmed up to the idea. No, it’s not exactly a “merger”. But still…

LOL you aint wrong.

(06-13-2022 01:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-13-2022 12:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-08-2022 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The MAC is an underrated men's basketball league and deserves more credit than some on this board realize.

That's because being the best one-bid conference is a very empty distinction. Not saying that the MAC is or isn't the best one-bid conference. Saying that being the best one-bid conference doesn't really matter.

Though I agree with you that being the best one-bid conference doesn't really matter, the fact that the MAC might be the best one-bid conference is not the reason I feel it is an underrated men's basketball league. Rather, I believe many MAC teams each year show more collective quality than do the teams in various similar leagues. Of course, that is very subjective (I admit).

Actually, it does matter, in the sense that the conference rep. receives a higher seed in the NCAA Tourney. This past season is a prime example.

Akron finished fourth in the MAC regular season with a 24-10 overall record, but won the MAC Tourney. The Zips were still a #13 seed in the NCAA Tourney and had a chance to beat UCLA at the buzzer.

IMHO, the MAC had five teams this past season capable of advancing in the NCAA Tourney, including Buffalo, which finished 5th in the regular season MAC standings and won an OOC game at North Texas, a favorite to win C-USA.

As you well know, a #12 or #13 seed has a much better chance of advancing than a lower seed, but as St. Peter's proved this year, a lower seed can advance, too.

(06-10-2022 10:03 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 04:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 01:53 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 12:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 11:48 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  CUSA HQ does have a thing for Texas schools.

I’ll never understand the obsession some posters from West freaking Virginia have with the Great State of Texas.

You can blame the Great State of Texas for being a mediocre football school that didn’t deliver the expectations when they played in the MAC. Blame your leadership for that. Oh and before you start with UTEP, they’re as guilty as anyone especially in being a mediocre basketball school which the expectation was totally different when the conference decided to invite the Miners in 2004.

C-USA has been a mediocre conference since 2005. No BCS/NY6 bowls, no deep runs in the NCAAT except for Memphis and they got punished after Calipari left for Kentucky, few ranked teams in FB, a constant one bid league in basketball. Every school is responsible for the results on the court and field and the bad tv deal which your president voted for it. Blaming an entire state for your mediocrity is an easy way to ignore your shortcomings.

Dayum

I'll gladly compare Marshall's accomplishments to UTEP's. Just let me know.

You’re 2-2 vs UTEP in conference play. I’d hardly call that an accomplishment over one of the worst FBS programs of all time. UTEP blows Marshall out of the water in facilities. Fan support? I’d still give UTEP the edge for now. Number of BCS and NY6 bowl appearances for both schools? NONE.

Marshall has been decent in football and has pulled its weight occasionally in C-USA but you’re not a Boise State type of program either and probably never will. Good luck and so long.

Since 2005 when we both joined CUSA

Marshall
10 winning seasons
10 Bowl Games
7 - 3 Bowl Record
Ranked twice - AP 15 and AP 18. Finished the year ranked at 23
3 Division Championships
1 Conference Championship

UTEP
3 Winning Seasons
4 Bowl Games
0 - 4 Bowl Record
Ranked once - AP 24. Finished season unranked
0 Division Championships
0 Conference Championships

And if you want to compare all time history click here….
http://www.winsipedia.com/marshall/vs/utep

Fans support comparison
Marshall 24,851 average attendance 2019
Huntington population 45,110

UTEP 21,658 average attendance 2019
El Paso population 678,815

Oh, and nowhere did I EVER mention that we were like Boise. I never compared us to anyone. Quit making a false narrative in order to deflect from your horrible football. Look at it this way. 9 schools were asked to leave CUSA and all 9 left. Marshall was asked to join a conference that didn't even need to add anyone. UTEP was left out, so don't take that out on me.

Talk about football attendance reminded me that I needed to add the new FCS adds to my spreadsheet tracking FBS attendance. I was more than mildly surprised to learn that Sam Houston State only averaged 6,752 over the most recent four non-COVID years. That ranks dead last among the 133 schools, and is far below #132 Ball State (9,475).

I know the NCAA no longer cares about their stated 15K minimum, but that's pretty weak sauce. I assume it wasn't a factor in CUSA's decision to invite them.

(06-13-2022 01:59 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(06-13-2022 01:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-13-2022 12:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-08-2022 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The MAC is an underrated men's basketball league and deserves more credit than some on this board realize.

That's because being the best one-bid conference is a very empty distinction. Not saying that the MAC is or isn't the best one-bid conference. Saying that being the best one-bid conference doesn't really matter.

Though I agree with you that being the best one-bid conference doesn't really matter, the fact that the MAC might be the best one-bid conference is not the reason I feel it is an underrated men's basketball league. Rather, I believe many MAC teams each year show more collective quality than do the teams in various similar leagues. Of course, that is very subjective (I admit).

Actually, it does matter, in the sense that the conference rep. receives a higher seed in the NCAA Tourney. This past season is a prime example.

Akron finished fourth in the MAC regular season with a 24-10 overall record, but won the MAC Tourney. The Zips were still a #13 seed in the NCAA Tourney and had a chance to beat UCLA at the buzzer.

IMHO, the MAC had five teams this past season capable of advancing in the NCAA Tourney, including Buffalo, which finished 5th in the regular season MAC standings and won an OOC game at North Texas, a favorite to win C-USA.

As you well know, a #12 or #13 seed has a much better chance of advancing than a lower seed, but as St. Peter's proved this year, a lower seed can advance, too.

Good point about the seeding. I had not considered that factor.