(04-18-2022 10:12 AM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(04-12-2022 08:38 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  I think all this means is:

1) Sun Belt will focus on improving basketball with scheduling rules, and a push for schools to invest in coaching and facilities
2) Sun Belt is game planning for future realignment. Plan would be to go after ECU and/or UAB, if that fails go for strong football/basketball schools like WKU.

Only take a Mizz State if they start contending for FCS titles and improve basketball. We shouldn’t be taking “mediocre” programs, only programs that elevate the conference in some way

I think MSU providing a commitment to building football stadium upgrades such as our proposed endzone facility, an indoor practice field, and improving football coaching salaries is reasonable expectation. we haven't won many games on the field and that obviously deserves scrutiny.

For basketball, nobody in the SBC should be calling us mediocre. we have gone 40-18 over the last 2 seasons in a much tougher conference. We have one of the best arenas in the mid majors. We had 2 players declare for the NBA draft this year, and had a player drafted in the 2nd round just a couple years ago, we are pulling in more talent than anybody in the SBC. If Mosley doesn't go pro, we could very likely be a top 40 team next year. Though I would like to see our basketball attendance improve from the roughly 4k/game we are at right now back to the 6-7k/game average we have historically pulled but we did have a couple home games this year with 6-7k crowds. Anybody in the SBC this year have a home game crack 7k?

Our women's program is also very high quality also, has 6 NCAA Tournament wins in just the last 3 seasons, I'm guessing that's more wins than any SBC program has in their entire history. Also our soccer team was top 10 last year, our baseball program has historically been very high quality for a mid major (3 super regionals, 1 CWS, and 40+ players make it to MLB)

so the SBC has to decide if they want to take a risk on our unproven football program to pull in our Olympic sports which are all very solid programs with great facilities.

Personally as a MSU fan, I'm on the fence. I would love to be an FBS program and the new SBC would be a massive upgrade over the MVFC, but like most MSU fans, I'm a basketball fan first and the MVC is obviously the better conference historically in hoops (especially before Wichita, Creighton, and now Loyola left) I also see the writing on the wall of a P5 - G5 split so whats the point of moving up if we are just going to get demoted again when the split happens. I am also 100% against going to CUSA now after seeing their new lineup, I'd rather be FCS/MVC than be in that conference.

The MVC certainly takes basketball more serious, but its still a one bid league at the end of the day. If Missouri State was serious about elevating football and playing FBS along with their other Olympic sports, the SBC would seem like a no brainer if offered. If they are fine being a basketball driven school, playing FCS then they should not make the jump. They will have to significantly put more focus in football to join this league.

(04-18-2022 10:37 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(04-18-2022 10:06 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(04-16-2022 05:28 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(04-16-2022 02:15 PM)JackedUp Wrote:  Luckyshot Here are the links dufus:

https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/3215436002

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/39229011

Hundreds of other articles with the MAC, AAC, MWC financial details

Zero for the SBC ESPN listing the financials


All you have is tweet from JMU reporter who was confusing total conference payout with a media deal. It is hard to believe y’all are that dumb. Maybe y’all are morons. There is zero evidence of 2million SBC ESPN deal. No one has provided any evidence. Good luck I can’t help stupid

I provided a link to an article about the SB deal. You said there would have been "Releases from the conference and schools" and we told you this doesn't happen. In your links they say things like, "UC officials declined to comment late Tuesday on the report." and "The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity", which matches what we told you.

The incoming Sun Belt schools don’t join until July. The new ESPN contract doesn’t take effect for another year after that. Even if they were to choose to make the terms public, expecting an official word straight from either the league or the network at this point is pretty silly.

Over on the other side of the street, that same poster is saying that ESPN could care less who the SBC added, that they were OK with "warm bodies". It begs the question, are we warm bodies or dead weight?

Don't worry about it. He doesn't know whether to scratch his watch or wind his arse.

(04-18-2022 09:45 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 07:55 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(04-16-2022 06:08 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Just let it go. This Noob is happy his school joined an FBS conference.

I've got no problem with that, but why is he on this board?

Because we don’t do the “this is not your conference why are you in our sandbox” song and dance that CUSAbbs did for years. Time to let that go.

If someone wants to come here and debate they’re welcome to.

I wasn't asking for him to be banned. I honestly want to know why he would want to be here. He has his league and his future league to follow and he's spending time on our board?

Did anyone ask (did not read all 18 pages) why ESPN would want a 16-team SBC?

(04-18-2022 08:47 PM)hburg Wrote:  Did anyone ask (did not read all 18 pages) why ESPN would want a 16-team SBC?

I don't think anyone is saying that they would. But if they did, it would have to not lower the value per team payout. Only a couple teams that I can think of might do that... I think we are at 14 for a while.

This is the only one I have found with a number not around 2 million. Not much out there either way except the old info which was 500,000.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

(04-14-2022 09:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  So, what happens with Liberty's ESPN deal? ESPN basically paid for the SB3 to move. Liberty, who had an INDY deal with ESPN and a tertiary bowl tie-in, is sure to lose that, or will they?

I still can't believe Liberty signed up for the mess that is CUSA 4.0.

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(04-19-2022 07:06 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 09:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  So, what happens with Liberty's ESPN deal? ESPN basically paid for the SB3 to move. Liberty, who had an INDY deal with ESPN and a tertiary bowl tie-in, is sure to lose that, or will they?

I still can't believe Liberty signed up for the mess that is CUSA 4.0.

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They have desperately wanted a conference for over a decade and finally found a conference desperate enough to let them in.
Decisions made out of desperation usually don't end well.

(04-19-2022 08:09 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 07:06 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 09:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  So, what happens with Liberty's ESPN deal? ESPN basically paid for the SB3 to move. Liberty, who had an INDY deal with ESPN and a tertiary bowl tie-in, is sure to lose that, or will they?

I still can't believe Liberty signed up for the mess that is CUSA 4.0.

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They have desperately wanted a conference for over a decade and finally found a conference desperate enough to let them in.
Decisions made out of desperation usually don't end well.

Pretty much this. C-USA couldn't say no and Liberty wanted to have a shot at the access bowl. I will be very surprised if the C-USA 9 remain intact for even 5 years.

(04-19-2022 09:11 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 08:09 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 07:06 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 09:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  So, what happens with Liberty's ESPN deal? ESPN basically paid for the SB3 to move. Liberty, who had an INDY deal with ESPN and a tertiary bowl tie-in, is sure to lose that, or will they?

I still can't believe Liberty signed up for the mess that is CUSA 4.0.

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They have desperately wanted a conference for over a decade and finally found a conference desperate enough to let them in.
Decisions made out of desperation usually don't end well.

Pretty much this. C-USA couldn't say no and Liberty wanted to have a shot at the access bowl. I will be very surprised if the C-USA 9 remain intact for even 5 years.

Any news on WKU getting in the MAC? Unfortunately the CUSA media deal does more damage to your schools and recruiting than people let on. Just think what it would be like now if you had been on ESPN the past 10 years. I don't see the new deal including ESPN, but what do I know.

(04-19-2022 10:10 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 09:11 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 08:09 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 07:06 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 09:05 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  So, what happens with Liberty's ESPN deal? ESPN basically paid for the SB3 to move. Liberty, who had an INDY deal with ESPN and a tertiary bowl tie-in, is sure to lose that, or will they?

I still can't believe Liberty signed up for the mess that is CUSA 4.0.

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They have desperately wanted a conference for over a decade and finally found a conference desperate enough to let them in.
Decisions made out of desperation usually don't end well.

Pretty much this. C-USA couldn't say no and Liberty wanted to have a shot at the access bowl. I will be very surprised if the C-USA 9 remain intact for even 5 years.

Any news on WKU getting in the MAC? Unfortunately the CUSA media deal does more damage to your schools and recruiting than people let on. Just think what it would be like now if you had been on ESPN the past 10 years. I don't see the new deal including ESPN, but what do I know.

I think we are stuck in C-USA until the next round is sparked by a power conference. Could be as minor as the Big XII taking Memphis, USF, or SMU. Could be as major as the the ACC/PAC/BIG poaching the Big XII. I get the feeling that the SEC taking Texas and Oklahoma won't go unanswered. I also think that the Big XII made the right call on their additions but that won't stop their legacy programs from trying to leave. The fallout from the top will trickle down through the AAC. I doubt the AAC ever considers us, but they will be interested in metro programs from other G5's. That would open up spots in those leagues for us and I think WKU would be at the top of the candidate list for the SBC or MAC if they needed a program.

As far as media rights are concerned, I had a few thoughts. I think ESPN will make a play for the rights and probably end up with them. I could also see other platforms that have a streaming component they are trying to promote trying to get cheap content. I see this past season's game between UTSA and UTEP as an example of their plan for C-USA going forward. Get the rights to everything and put it on ESPN+. If a program is having a special year or there is a game of interest then promote those games to ESPN/2/U. If not, let them sit on the streaming platform.

(04-18-2022 06:57 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-18-2022 10:12 AM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(04-12-2022 08:38 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  I think all this means is:

1) Sun Belt will focus on improving basketball with scheduling rules, and a push for schools to invest in coaching and facilities
2) Sun Belt is game planning for future realignment. Plan would be to go after ECU and/or UAB, if that fails go for strong football/basketball schools like WKU.

Only take a Mizz State if they start contending for FCS titles and improve basketball. We shouldn’t be taking “mediocre” programs, only programs that elevate the conference in some way

I think MSU providing a commitment to building football stadium upgrades such as our proposed endzone facility, an indoor practice field, and improving football coaching salaries is reasonable expectation. we haven't won many games on the field and that obviously deserves scrutiny.

For basketball, nobody in the SBC should be calling us mediocre. we have gone 40-18 over the last 2 seasons in a much tougher conference. We have one of the best arenas in the mid majors. We had 2 players declare for the NBA draft this year, and had a player drafted in the 2nd round just a couple years ago, we are pulling in more talent than anybody in the SBC. If Mosley doesn't go pro, we could very likely be a top 40 team next year. Though I would like to see our basketball attendance improve from the roughly 4k/game we are at right now back to the 6-7k/game average we have historically pulled but we did have a couple home games this year with 6-7k crowds. Anybody in the SBC this year have a home game crack 7k?

Our women's program is also very high quality also, has 6 NCAA Tournament wins in just the last 3 seasons, I'm guessing that's more wins than any SBC program has in their entire history. Also our soccer team was top 10 last year, our baseball program has historically been very high quality for a mid major (3 super regionals, 1 CWS, and 40+ players make it to MLB)

so the SBC has to decide if they want to take a risk on our unproven football program to pull in our Olympic sports which are all very solid programs with great facilities.

Personally as a MSU fan, I'm on the fence. I would love to be an FBS program and the new SBC would be a massive upgrade over the MVFC, but like most MSU fans, I'm a basketball fan first and the MVC is obviously the better conference historically in hoops (especially before Wichita, Creighton, and now Loyola left) I also see the writing on the wall of a P5 - G5 split so whats the point of moving up if we are just going to get demoted again when the split happens. I am also 100% against going to CUSA now after seeing their new lineup, I'd rather be FCS/MVC than be in that conference.

The MVC certainly takes basketball more serious, but its still a one bid league at the end of the day. If Missouri State was serious about elevating football and playing FBS along with their other Olympic sports, the SBC would seem like a no brainer if offered. If they are fine being a basketball driven school, playing FCS then they should not make the jump. They will have to significantly put more focus in football to join this league.

There is a HUGE difference between a one-bid league that sends teams to the final 4 and a one-bid league that is getting 15 and 16 seeds every year. That said, I think the SBC has basketball potential with a basketball commitment, I would have no problem jumping from the MVC to the SBC if the commitment is there.

I could see ODU and JMU as having solid mid major potential with WKU and MSU, plus get a couple of the existing SBC teams into the top 100, and you could have a solid 4 or 5 top 100 teams any given year which is typically what the MVC, MWC, or A10 has most years and that gives you the opportunity for at-large teams and higher seeds which makes deep tournament runs possible.

(04-19-2022 11:02 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 10:10 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 09:11 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 08:09 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 07:06 AM)b2b Wrote:  I still can't believe Liberty signed up for the mess that is CUSA 4.0.

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They have desperately wanted a conference for over a decade and finally found a conference desperate enough to let them in.
Decisions made out of desperation usually don't end well.

Pretty much this. C-USA couldn't say no and Liberty wanted to have a shot at the access bowl. I will be very surprised if the C-USA 9 remain intact for even 5 years.

Any news on WKU getting in the MAC? Unfortunately the CUSA media deal does more damage to your schools and recruiting than people let on. Just think what it would be like now if you had been on ESPN the past 10 years. I don't see the new deal including ESPN, but what do I know.

I think we are stuck in C-USA until the next round is sparked by a power conference. Could be as minor as the Big XII taking Memphis, USF, or SMU. Could be as major as the the ACC/PAC/BIG poaching the Big XII. I get the feeling that the SEC taking Texas and Oklahoma won't go unanswered. I also think that the Big XII made the right call on their additions but that won't stop their legacy programs from trying to leave. The fallout from the top will trickle down through the AAC. I doubt the AAC ever considers us, but they will be interested in metro programs from other G5's. That would open up spots in those leagues for us and I think WKU would be at the top of the candidate list for the SBC or MAC if they needed a program.

As far as media rights are concerned, I had a few thoughts. I think ESPN will make a play for the rights and probably end up with them. I could also see other platforms that have a streaming component they are trying to promote trying to get cheap content. I see this past season's game between UTSA and UTEP as an example of their plan for C-USA going forward. Get the rights to everything and put it on ESPN+. If a program is having a special year or there is a game of interest then promote those games to ESPN/2/U. If not, let them sit on the streaming platform.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if after a few years in the Big12 (especially if they have success) if the ACC adds UCF and CIncy while they are higher in the pecking order than the B12. The ACC doesn't have the power to poach from the B1G or SEC, but Cincy might be happier. UCF definitely would be IMHO

(04-19-2022 06:44 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 11:02 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 10:10 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 09:11 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 08:09 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  They have desperately wanted a conference for over a decade and finally found a conference desperate enough to let them in.
Decisions made out of desperation usually don't end well.

Pretty much this. C-USA couldn't say no and Liberty wanted to have a shot at the access bowl. I will be very surprised if the C-USA 9 remain intact for even 5 years.

Any news on WKU getting in the MAC? Unfortunately the CUSA media deal does more damage to your schools and recruiting than people let on. Just think what it would be like now if you had been on ESPN the past 10 years. I don't see the new deal including ESPN, but what do I know.

I think we are stuck in C-USA until the next round is sparked by a power conference. Could be as minor as the Big XII taking Memphis, USF, or SMU. Could be as major as the the ACC/PAC/BIG poaching the Big XII. I get the feeling that the SEC taking Texas and Oklahoma won't go unanswered. I also think that the Big XII made the right call on their additions but that won't stop their legacy programs from trying to leave. The fallout from the top will trickle down through the AAC. I doubt the AAC ever considers us, but they will be interested in metro programs from other G5's. That would open up spots in those leagues for us and I think WKU would be at the top of the candidate list for the SBC or MAC if they needed a program.

As far as media rights are concerned, I had a few thoughts. I think ESPN will make a play for the rights and probably end up with them. I could also see other platforms that have a streaming component they are trying to promote trying to get cheap content. I see this past season's game between UTSA and UTEP as an example of their plan for C-USA going forward. Get the rights to everything and put it on ESPN+. If a program is having a special year or there is a game of interest then promote those games to ESPN/2/U. If not, let them sit on the streaming platform.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if after a few years in the Big12 (especially if they have success) if the ACC adds UCF and CIncy while they are higher in the pecking order than the B12. The ACC doesn't have the power to poach from the B1G or SEC, but Cincy might be happier. UCF definitely would be IMHO

Yeah, I could see that for sure. It will be interesting to see if the ACC's GoR holds up. I could see the B1G and even SEC taking a few slices out of the ACC and the ACC scrambling to survive by adding Cincy, WVU, and UCF. Similar story if the PAC starts getting nibbled on. The PAC would start scooping up Big XII/MWC programs. A consolation prize of WKU currently being stuck on the lowest rung of the ladder is I only see entertainment in all the chaos of future realignment because things can't get much worse.