I think most people get the art of seeding the brackets wrong.

I assume most start at the top with the #1 seeds and work their way down.
Actually what I think has to happen FIRST, is to seed the 16 seeds and work up, 15s, and then 14s...

How should Akron be seeded?

Well it depends on how many lower ranked teams there are. Some teams have really poor Net rankings because they are mediocre teams from very weak conferences. They are obviously in the tourney because they are automatic to conference winner.

So they are likely the 16 and 15 seeds. And some 14 seeds.

Then the 13 and 14 seeds from the true mid-majors like the MAC. Maybe higher when the MAC has a really, really good team.

Pull it the NCAA NET and start counting teams from the bottom.

I started looking and the supposed 'weak sisters' are ranked say around 150 or higher. Look say 126 - 160 and we'll see a lot of teams going dancing. I haven't looked at all, but I don't see any of those teams ranked 200+.

Yale upsetting Princeton in the Ivy League title game could push Akron up to a #13 seed.

(03-13-2022 01:26 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Yale upsetting Princeton in the Ivy League title game could push Akron up to a #13 seed.

Hope we have a good NIT. Toledo, Princeton, etc. Not sure Michigan is a NCAA lock.

Akron is probably on the border of the 13/14 seed line. Montana St, St. Peters, and Longwood all have slightly better NET, but Akron has 2 Q2 wins and those programs have a combined 0. None of the 4 programs have a Q1 win. The committee IMO would have to place Akron ahead of all 3 for Akron to get a 13 seed. It's definitely a possibility the committee does, but it's anyone's guess if they do or not.

Vs UCLA as a 13. Not too bad.

Yep, I called it. Yale is a #14 seed playing Purdue, while Akron moves up to a #13 seed to play against UCLA.

Go Zips, win for the MAC!

Quote:Then the 13 and 14 seeds from the true mid-majors like the MAC. Maybe higher when the MAC has a really, really good team.

Ehhh, I don't think the MAC would need a spectacular team. It's a bit easier these years with the field of 68 to get a better seed, as barring some massive upset in the MAC tourney, we'll never be in the Bottom 10 (6 16s, 4 15s). So that 2-extra 16s help us teeter on the bubble. Which I think made the difference for Akron going 13-seed instead of 14-seed.

WMU back in '97 in field of 64 was the last MAC bubble team at 21-8, lost in the 1st round of MAC Tourney, yet got an 11-seed, and when we had a REAL good team many years later, got an 11-seed. And Miami-OH got a 10-seed that year where they made the sweet 16 and were a great year. EMU got an 8 or 9 seed many years ago, too.

In the end, wouldn't say it'd require a really great MAC team to get 12 -- but I would say to get a 10 or a 9, and possibly an 11 (depends on the year's teams in seeds in that range). And a historically great MAC team to be better than that (see Buffalo a few years back).

Conference champ Akron is a #13 and is being sent to Portland. Meanwhile, 8th place Michigan is a #11 and goes to...Indy.

Big money wins again.. The NCAA is so screwed up.

(03-13-2022 06:03 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Then the 13 and 14 seeds from the true mid-majors like the MAC. Maybe higher when the MAC has a really, really good team.

Ehhh, I don't think the MAC would need a spectacular team. It's a bit easier these years with the field of 68 to get a better seed, as barring some massive upset in the MAC tourney, we'll never be in the Bottom 10 (6 16s, 4 15s). So that 2-extra 16s help us teeter on the bubble. Which I think made the difference for Akron going 13-seed instead of 14-seed.

WMU back in '97 in field of 64 was the last MAC bubble team at 21-8, lost in the 1st round of MAC Tourney, yet got an 11-seed, and when we had a REAL good team many years later, got an 11-seed. And Miami-OH got a 10-seed that year where they made the sweet 16 and were a great year. EMU got an 8 or 9 seed many years ago, too.

In the end, wouldn't say it'd require a really great MAC team to get 12 -- but I would say to get a 10 or a 9, and possibly an 11 (depends on the year's teams in seeds in that range). And a historically great MAC team to be better than that (see Buffalo a few years back).

I agree with you, Todd, the MAC wheelhouse is that #12 line. Above that as a #10 or #11 is great and very attainable. While a #13 seed is not bad, it should always be the floor for the MAC.

Well, isn't Akron the conference Tournament winner -- not the Conference Champ? I could see if a #2 won the conf tournament, seeing/labeling them as the #1 team of the conference tho. Akron was 4th best -- Michigan in a super-tough B10 was 8th.

I don't think Akron got screwed -- they got a 13, not a 14. And they couldn't expect to be in the midwest where they'd get fans.

I think it's more that Michigan lucked out, not that Akron got the short end of any stick. Michigan getting an 11 not a 12 -- and playing in the midwest, with 17W. That's too good for them!

Was hoping to see Akron in Buffalo because they’d have some comfort of familiarity there. I tend to feel the Pac-12 is overrated so I hope the Zips give ‘em a game.