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(02-24-2022 09:08 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 07:39 AM)chatcat Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 11:17 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Coach’s comments in the postgame are concerning. ‘He kept saying he didn’t know what to say about the problems…loss for words. Yikes.

"I don't know Chuck, I just don't know".

The difference is Bob was bemoaning the fact we only only had a 20 rebound margin and didn’t hit shots against an opponent we thumped by 29 points.

...and Bob on the postgame radio show sounding as if his dog had just died after a double digit win saying, "Chuck, I just don't know...". Those were hilarious and whatever people want to say about Huggins' faults his passion for winning, and preparing to win, was almost unparalleled.

Once we spot the other team their immediate double digit lead, we usually play it even for the rest of the game.

Begs to ask... why are we so overwhelmed at the beginning of the game? Scouting? Preparation? Game plan?

(02-24-2022 09:14 AM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 06:44 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 11:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He sounded lost and more than a little frustrated. Mentioned some changes but not sure what he can do when it’s senior night next. We’ll see the same lineup and same rotation minutes against cruddy USF that we’ve used all season long. I do think there are going to be some come to Jesus and head to the portal discussions in a couple weeks.

This roster needs way more than just three freshman and this staff has to do way more than trot out the plain jane systems we run night in and night out.

we've all been there, when we just bite our tongue, and don't start, because we're afraid that we might not stop / we'll regret it later. CWM doesn't have the option to just say nothing - he has to do the interview. i admittedly didn't stay up for the game, but, i wonder if he just doesn't want to throw people under the bus publicly. i think CWM is a sharp young guy - he has to see the issues. hopefully, he's just trying to take the high road publicly - i think the answer may come in the off season, if we see some of the holdover guys leave.

I agree....Miller needed bodies to fill out the roster coming into this season. If he is the guy I think he is he will find good landing spots for Hensley, McGinnis, Saunders, and Madsen to transfer to. Take those four scholarships and get some guys that are capable of playing at this level. I don't see any way Miller goes into next season with this roster.....

Keeping Saunders/Madsen was fine as they still have a transfer year if he doesn't think they can play at the level UC needs and we needed bodies.

Bringing in Koval/Ado for one year bodies was fine too. It was late in the process, just started recruiting at our level and we desperately needed guys.

Hensley/McGinnis always seemed a reach, but we had to hope he knew something. They seem to have been a huge miscalculation. I suspect McGinnis is going to transfer and try to claim a medical redshirt this year (for immediately eligibility somewhere). Not sure what to make of what they'll do with Henlsey. He's given him plenty of chances to show he can be a part of this team's future and honestly there just haven't been flashes that he can.

(02-24-2022 09:20 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:14 AM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 06:44 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 11:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He sounded lost and more than a little frustrated. Mentioned some changes but not sure what he can do when it’s senior night next. We’ll see the same lineup and same rotation minutes against cruddy USF that we’ve used all season long. I do think there are going to be some come to Jesus and head to the portal discussions in a couple weeks.

This roster needs way more than just three freshman and this staff has to do way more than trot out the plain jane systems we run night in and night out.

we've all been there, when we just bite our tongue, and don't start, because we're afraid that we might not stop / we'll regret it later. CWM doesn't have the option to just say nothing - he has to do the interview. i admittedly didn't stay up for the game, but, i wonder if he just doesn't want to throw people under the bus publicly. i think CWM is a sharp young guy - he has to see the issues. hopefully, he's just trying to take the high road publicly - i think the answer may come in the off season, if we see some of the holdover guys leave.

I agree....Miller needed bodies to fill out the roster coming into this season. If he is the guy I think he is he will find good landing spots for Hensley, McGinnis, Saunders, and Madsen to transfer to. Take those four scholarships and get some guys that are capable of playing at this level. I don't see any way Miller goes into next season with this roster.....

Keeping Saunders/Madsen was fine as they still have a transfer year if he doesn't think they can play at the level UC needs and we needed bodies.

Bringing in Koval/Ado for one year bodies was fine too. It was late in the process, just started recruiting at our level and we desperately needed guys.

Hensley/McGinnis always seemed a reach, but we had to hope he knew something. They seem to have been a huge miscalculation. I suspect McGinnis is going to transfer and try to claim a medical redshirt this year (for immediately eligibility somewhere). Not sure what to make of what they'll do with Henlsey. He's given him plenty of chances to show he can be a part of this team's future and honestly there just haven't been flashes that he can.

Who do think is still on this roster next year?

(02-24-2022 09:19 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Once we spot the other team their immediate double digit lead, we usually play it even for the rest of the game.

Begs to ask... why are we so overwhelmed at the beginning of the game? Scouting? Preparation? Game plan?

Well said. The starts have been horrendous of late, home or away, and this team isn't built to shoot and defend its way out of a double digit deficit. Did I hear correctly--ten turnovers in the first half last night? Seemed many or most were converted to points by UCF and that's a double whammy as it is also lost scoring opportunity for UC each of those possessions.

Xavier has recruits ranked # 36, 62 and 87.

Our best is #107

Great job by Wes.

(02-24-2022 09:30 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Xavier has recruits ranked # 36, 62 and 87.

Our best is #107

Great job by Wes.

Honestly it’s been an issue for a while. Hopefully the Big XII fixes this.

(02-24-2022 09:27 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Who do think is still on this roster next year?

I think and hope will be here:
DDJ
Davenport
Ody
Lahkin

The later two of those are because we desperately need a couple bigs. Lahkin has potential. Ideally they are bench guys next season behind a couple impact transfers. I think they would be fine in that role.

I think will probably be here:
MAW
Madsen

I could see either of these guys transferring, but I think they are the most likely of the other guys to stay. MAW has size, was our only PG Wes seemed to trust at all and would be going into his senior season. I think Madsen seems invested in Wes and strangely think he's shown enough flashes and athleticism that he could play a role for a future team. He has a better understanding of what we're doing than most though he's been one of the more frustrating players for me this year.


I think one or two of these guys will be gone.
Saunders
Newman
Hensley

Gone
McGinnis
Banks

I don't think Wes is inclined to blow things up, because I think he wants to build with high school recruits and ultimately be selective about transfers. To do this you need to create a balance. He'll look for 2-3 impact transfers and spots will open up for those.

(02-24-2022 09:27 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:19 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Once we spot the other team their immediate double digit lead, we usually play it even for the rest of the game.

Begs to ask... why are we so overwhelmed at the beginning of the game? Scouting? Preparation? Game plan?

Well said. The starts have been horrendous of late, home or away, and this team isn't built to shoot and defend its way out of a double digit deficit. Did I hear correctly--ten turnovers in the first half last night? Seemed many or most were converted to points by UCF and that's a double whammy as it is also lost scoring opportunity for UC each of those possessions.

Should have been 15 if you counted some of the garbage shots JD threw at the rim that turned into runouts.

(02-24-2022 09:40 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I think and hope will be here:
DDJ
Davenport
Ody
Lahkin

The later two of those are because we desperately need a couple bigs. Lahkin has potential. Ideally they are bench guys next season behind a couple impact transfers. I think they would be fine in that role.

I think will probably be here:
MAW
Madsen

I could see either of these guys transferring, but I think they are the most likely of the other guys to stay. MAW has size, was our only PG Wes seemed to trust at all and would be going into his senior season. I think Madsen seems invested in Wes and strangely think he's shown enough flashes and athleticism that he could play a role for a future team. He has a better understanding of what we're doing than most though he's been one of the more frustrating players for me this year.


I think one or two of these guys will be gone.
Saunders
Newman
Hensley

Gone
McGinnis
Banks

I don't think Wes is inclined to blow things up, because I think he wants to build with high school recruits and ultimately be selective about transfers. To do this you need to create a balance. He'll look for 2-3 impact transfers and spots will open up for those.

I agree with most. Newman has said he came here to play 2 years but plans can change.

MAW is maddening in that he was a good contributor as a freshman when he had guys like Jarron and Tre but hasn't developed since. He's really struggled recently as they've asked him to be more aggressive than he's comfortable with. The TO trying to split the double is something I've never seen him really try to do and he hasn't shown any ability to finish around the rim. If we can develop a role with him more similar to his freshman year I'd be okay with that.

Saunders and Hensley I agree with. As both become upper classmen next year neither is a starting level player on a good AAC team and their eligibility will stretch into B12. If they want to continue as 10-15 min players then fine we need those types but they're not future starters.

(02-24-2022 08:01 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 07:45 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 06:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 06:44 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 11:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He sounded lost and more than a little frustrated. Mentioned some changes but not sure what he can do when it’s senior night next. We’ll see the same lineup and same rotation minutes against cruddy USF that we’ve used all season long. I do think there are going to be some come to Jesus and head to the portal discussions in a couple weeks.

This roster needs way more than just three freshman and this staff has to do way more than trot out the plain jane systems we run night in and night out.

we've all been there, when we just bite our tongue, and don't start, because we're afraid that we might not stop / we'll regret it later. CWM doesn't have the option to just say nothing - he has to do the interview. i admittedly didn't stay up for the game, but, i wonder if he just doesn't want to throw people under the bus publicly. i think CWM is a sharp young guy - he has to see the issues. hopefully, he's just trying to take the high road publicly - i think the answer may come in the off season, if we see some of the holdover guys leave.

I wondered when listening if he’s had any second thoughts about this process. I get the feeling he didn’t expect this craptastic past month. He’s likely going to be rolling this boulder uphill for several seasons.

i know that almost everyone on here equates coach brannen with the devil. but, the old saying that it takes two - i wonder if there's s sentiment / undercurrent from some of the holdovers, or their parents / siblings, who maybe don't feel that CWM is kissing their asses enough. don't know - just wondering - something seems to have happened in the last few weeks, that has caused the level of play to drop - is there some underlying b.s. that's caused issues in the locker room

ORRRRR it's just the dog days of february with a bunch of role players and a new captain.

Yeah, nothing like baseless speculation that the players are a bunch of divas.

(02-24-2022 09:40 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:27 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Who do think is still on this roster next year?

I think and hope will be here:
DDJ
Davenport
Ody
Lahkin

The later two of those are because we desperately need a couple bigs. Lahkin has potential. Ideally they are bench guys next season behind a couple impact transfers. I think they would be fine in that role.

I think will probably be here:
MAW
Madsen

I could see either of these guys transferring, but I think they are the most likely of the other guys to stay. MAW has size, was our only PG Wes seemed to trust at all and would be going into his senior season. I think Madsen seems invested in Wes and strangely think he's shown enough flashes and athleticism that he could play a role for a future team. He has a better understanding of what we're doing than most though he's been one of the more frustrating players for me this year.


I think one or two of these guys will be gone.
Saunders
Newman
Hensley

Gone
McGinnis
Banks

I don't think Wes is inclined to blow things up, because I think he wants to build with high school recruits and ultimately be selective about transfers. To do this you need to create a balance. He'll look for 2-3 impact transfers and spots will open up for those.

I’d add Vik in those lists somewhere. His body language on the bench was not that of a guy who is digging his locale. Of course he might be worried about being conscripted for war if he moves back home.

(02-24-2022 09:40 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:27 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Who do think is still on this roster next year?

I think and hope will be here:
DDJ
Davenport
Ody
Lahkin

The later two of those are because we desperately need a couple bigs. Lahkin has potential. Ideally they are bench guys next season behind a couple impact transfers. I think they would be fine in that role.

I think will probably be here:
MAW
Madsen

I could see either of these guys transferring, but I think they are the most likely of the other guys to stay. MAW has size, was our only PG Wes seemed to trust at all and would be going into his senior season. I think Madsen seems invested in Wes and strangely think he's shown enough flashes and athleticism that he could play a role for a future team. He has a better understanding of what we're doing than most though he's been one of the more frustrating players for me this year.


I think one or two of these guys will be gone.
Saunders
Newman
Hensley

Gone
McGinnis
Banks

I don't think Wes is inclined to blow things up, because I think he wants to build with high school recruits and ultimately be selective about transfers. To do this you need to create a balance. He'll look for 2-3 impact transfers and spots will open up for those.

I could see Lahkin getting recalled to Mother Russia to join the Army as a lookout.

(02-23-2022 10:56 PM)UCengr Wrote:  Terry's frustration has been coming through over the radio for a good part of the game.

You're not kidding. I only heard the last 10 minutes of the game, but it was evident he's a little frustrated with the play. Particularly the defense (or lack thereof).

(02-24-2022 02:58 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  DDJ not walking senior night. Maybe the only good news on the day.

If he comes back hopefully he loses that dribble for 10-15 seconds and then take a step back 3 that he likes to do. If I know he's going to shoot, I'm guessing the other team probably knows.

Keep in mind that guys like Saunders and Madsen are only sophomores who had shortened freshman seasons. They still have room to grow. I mean, outside of the STUDS (Cumberland, Evans, Clark, Caupain etc) that came through the program, compare them to some of the other previous player sophomore seasons who turned out to be decent players:

Saunders 7.2 ppg
Madsen 4.0 ppg
vs.
Tre Scott 3.1 ppg
Nysier Brooks 2.6 ppg
Justin Jenifer 2.8 ppg
Kevin Johnson 6.5 ppg
Shaq Thomas 6.8 ppg
Justin Jackson 5.0 ppg SO year. 3.8 Jr year.
Jaquon Parker 1.5 ppg
Dion Dixon 4.9 ppg

(02-24-2022 12:26 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Keep in mind that guys like Saunders and Madsen are only sophomores who had shortened freshman seasons. They still have room to grow. I mean, outside of the STUDS (Cumberland, Evans, Clark, Caupain etc) that came through the program, compare them to some of the other previous player sophomore seasons who turned out to be decent players:

Saunders 7.2 ppg
Madsen 4.0 ppg
vs.
Tre Scott 3.1 ppg
Nysier Brooks 2.6 ppg
Justin Jenifer 2.8 ppg
Kevin Johnson 6.5 ppg
Shaq Thomas 6.8 ppg
Justin Jackson 5.0 ppg SO year. 3.8 Jr year.
Jaquon Parker 1.5 ppg
Dion Dixon 4.9 ppg

Almost everyone on
that list either had the size of athletic ability to play at this level. My concern is that this roster has guys that are over matched from a physical standpoint. Mick got guys that at least could rebound and defend even if they couldn’t score.

(02-24-2022 09:19 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Once we spot the other team their immediate double digit lead, we usually play it even for the rest of the game.

Begs to ask... why are we so overwhelmed at the beginning of the game? Scouting? Preparation? Game plan?

Skill? Energy? Ambition? Toughness? Determination? Killer instinct? Pride? Conviction? Unit cohesion? The list goes on...

(02-24-2022 12:12 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:58 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  DDJ not walking senior night. Maybe the only good news on the day.

If he comes back hopefully he loses that dribble for 10-15 seconds and then take a step back 3 that he likes to do. If I know he's going to shoot, I'm guessing the other team probably knows.

Well, he’s not getting any taller if he comes back…thus the step back.

(02-24-2022 12:26 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Keep in mind that guys like Saunders and Madsen are only sophomores who had shortened freshman seasons. They still have room to grow. I mean, outside of the STUDS (Cumberland, Evans, Clark, Caupain etc) that came through the program, compare them to some of the other previous player sophomore seasons who turned out to be decent players:

Saunders 7.2 ppg
Madsen 4.0 ppg
vs.
Tre Scott 3.1 ppg
Nysier Brooks 2.6 ppg
Justin Jenifer 2.8 ppg
Kevin Johnson 6.5 ppg
Shaq Thomas 6.8 ppg
Justin Jackson 5.0 ppg SO year. 3.8 Jr year.
Jaquon Parker 1.5 ppg
Dion Dixon 4.9 ppg

Now list the guys that didn’t contribute much as sophomores and then failed to contribute in their remaining time at UC. I guarantee the 2nd list will be much longer.