Any chance of rescheduling a road game @ Stanford?

(02-01-2022 12:23 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Making the playoffs is based on how we finish in conference. If we finish 1 through 3, we’re in regardless of how many FBS OOC we play. Play 2!

Tell that to Elon last year. They finished third in the CAA at 5-3 but their overall 6-5 record kept them out while N. Iowa also got in at 6-5. Rhode Island was 7-4 but only 4-4 in conference. A successful resume includes both quality (CAA) and quantity (OOC) wins. Can’t count on a FBS win.

(02-01-2022 03:35 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 12:23 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Making the playoffs is based on how we finish in conference. If we finish 1 through 3, we’re in regardless of how many FBS OOC we play. Play 2!

Tell that to Elon last year. They finished third in the CAA at 5-3 but their overall 6-5 record kept them out while N. Iowa also got in at 6-5. Rhode Island was 7-4 but only 4-4 in conference. A successful resume includes both quality (CAA) and quantity (OOC) wins. Can’t count on a FBS win.

That’s one good example of finishing 3rd in the CAA and not getting in. Very true. I’m not sure the 3rd place team has ever been left out before though, probably not. Had Elon’s 6-5 record included 2 FBS losses, they probably would have had a better shot. They had no real impressive wins, FBS or FCS and a couple bad losses (Wofford).

I still think playing 2 FBS games won’t hurt you if you have a top 20 FCS team and finish among the top CAA teams.

I'll give a minority opinion. I want the Tribe to schedule to give themselves a better shot for the playoffs. I like the 1 FBS game, but I would never play 2 in one season. We are already facing longer odds than our peers with a 5 H, 6A schedule most years. When we have 12 games, it HAS to be 6A and 6H. Typically anything less than a 6-2 conference record opens up the possibility of missing the playoffs with 2 FBS losses. If we truly need $700K in payouts from 2 FBS games on a regular basis, we are already in big trouble. But, perhaps we need the additional revenue for a game clock and timeout manager at the end of games. That would be money well spent. As we have seen in the NFL playoffs in the last month, that is a skill a fair number of coaches struggle with. Admittedly, they have a lot to be responsible for.

My hopes for 2022 for Tribe football: A better record than in 2021 and a win over Richmond. A playoff berth or conference title would be a bonus.

(02-01-2022 10:03 AM)tribeinexile Wrote:  I wonder if we aren’t in a period of time when financial needs are paramount and $$$ outweigh playoff considerations.


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Playoffs? Playoffs?!?

(02-01-2022 04:27 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  I'll give a minority opinion. I want the Tribe to schedule to give themselves a better shot for the playoffs. I like the 1 FBS game, but I would never play 2 in one season. We are already facing longer odds than our peers with a 5 H, 6A schedule most years. When we have 12 games, it HAS to be 6A and 6H. Typically anything less than a 6-2 conference record opens up the possibility of missing the playoffs with 2 FBS losses. If we truly need $700K in payouts from 2 FBS games on a regular basis, we are already in big trouble. But, perhaps we need the additional revenue for a game clock and timeout manager at the end of games. That would be money well spent. As we have seen in the NFL playoffs in the last month, that is a skill a fair number of coaches struggle with. Admittedly, they have a lot to be responsible for.

My hopes for 2022 for Tribe football: A better record than in 2021 and a win over Richmond. A playoff berth or conference title would be a bonus.

Another factor is what motivates kids to come to play in the first place. Playing against bigger name BCS teams is attractive. Plus, every once in a while we'll win one and that matters a lot in terms of team morale, chemistry, etc. The only real downside is that players could get hurt playing against much better athletes.

(02-01-2022 06:04 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  ...The only real downside is that players could get hurt playing against much better athletes.

And that is certainly an excellent reason to not play 2 FBS teams in the same season.

(02-01-2022 06:52 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:04 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  ...The only real downside is that players could get hurt playing against much better athletes.

And that is certainly an excellent reason to not play 2 FBS teams in the same season.

Hasn't this urban legend been debunked before? There's no evidence that FCS players get injured more in FBS games than in any other game.

(02-01-2022 06:56 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:52 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:04 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  ...The only real downside is that players could get hurt playing against much better athletes.

And that is certainly an excellent reason to not play 2 FBS teams in the same season.

Hasn't this urban legend been debunked before? There's no evidence that FCS players get injured more in FBS games than in any other game.

Except UNC.

(02-01-2022 07:49 PM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:56 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:52 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:04 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  ...The only real downside is that players could get hurt playing against much better athletes.

And that is certainly an excellent reason to not play 2 FBS teams in the same season.

Hasn't this urban legend been debunked before? There's no evidence that FCS players get injured more in FBS games than in any other game.

Except UNC.

How many players got hurt against UNC in the game you're referencing?

(02-01-2022 11:05 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 07:49 PM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:56 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:52 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:04 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  ...The only real downside is that players could get hurt playing against much better athletes.

And that is certainly an excellent reason to not play 2 FBS teams in the same season.

Hasn't this urban legend been debunked before? There's no evidence that FCS players get injured more in FBS games than in any other game.

Except UNC.

How many players got hurt against UNC in the game you're referencing?

Besides Paulus, Shawn Knight got hurt against UVa. I think the big boys get a kick out of hurting FCS quarterbacks.

(02-01-2022 11:38 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 11:05 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 07:49 PM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:56 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:52 PM)Zorch Wrote:  And that is certainly an excellent reason to not play 2 FBS teams in the same season.

Hasn't this urban legend been debunked before? There's no evidence that FCS players get injured more in FBS games than in any other game.

Except UNC.

How many players got hurt against UNC in the game you're referencing?

Besides Paulus, Shawn Knight got hurt against UVa. I think the big boys get a kick out of hurting FCS quarterbacks.

How many FBS games have we played where our QB did not get hurt, vs. ones where they did? Next, what's the rate of QB injury for FCS games? Assuming that's the point being made here.

(02-02-2022 12:07 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 11:38 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 11:05 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 07:49 PM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:56 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  Hasn't this urban legend been debunked before? There's no evidence that FCS players get injured more in FBS games than in any other game.

Except UNC.

How many players got hurt against UNC in the game you're referencing?

Besides Paulus, Shawn Knight got hurt against UVa. I think the big boys get a kick out of hurting FCS quarterbacks.

How many FBS games have we played where our QB did not get hurt, vs. ones where they did? Next, what's the rate of QB injury for FCS games? Assuming that's the point being made here.

We didn’t even play Mathis against UVa last year because of fear of (re)injury. Started a freshman in his first game and we all saw how that turned out.

The conversation is getting turned around. My main point is that I don’t like FBS games because, for the overwhelming majority of the time (and you can’t argue that point), they are automatic losses. I’d rather have a probable FCS win (probable with intelligent scheduling).

(02-02-2022 08:23 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 12:07 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 11:38 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 11:05 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 07:49 PM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  Except UNC.

How many players got hurt against UNC in the game you're referencing?

Besides Paulus, Shawn Knight got hurt against UVa. I think the big boys get a kick out of hurting FCS quarterbacks.

How many FBS games have we played where our QB did not get hurt, vs. ones where they did? Next, what's the rate of QB injury for FCS games? Assuming that's the point being made here.

We didn’t even play Mathis against UVa last year because of fear of (re)injury. Started a freshman in his first game and we all saw how that turned out.

The conversation is getting turned around. My main point is that I don’t like FBS games because, for the overwhelming majority of the time (and you can’t argue that point), they are automatic losses. I’d rather have a probable FCS win (probable with intelligent scheduling).

That’s a different argument. Yes, the majority are losses but the wins are worth multiple FCS wins. Our win at UVA in 2009 was a lifetime moment. Even the competitive losses to UNC and West Virginia were inspirational.

(02-02-2022 08:23 AM)Zorch Wrote:  We didn’t even play Mathis against UVa last year because of fear of (re)injury. Started a freshman in his first game and we all saw how that turned out.

We didn't play Mathis because he was still hurt. We haven't seen fully healthy Mathis in a long time.

(02-02-2022 09:01 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:23 AM)Zorch Wrote:  We didn’t even play Mathis against UVa last year because of fear of (re)injury. Started a freshman in his first game and we all saw how that turned out.

We didn't play Mathis because he was still hurt. We haven't seen fully healthy Mathis in a long time.

Possibly...although he did start each of the next two games. That could easily lead one to surmise that he didn't play at UVa because of precautionary reasons.

Mathis didn't even throw a pass against Colgate. If I recall, Wilson was injured and didn't play against Lafayette.

(02-02-2022 09:56 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 09:01 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:23 AM)Zorch Wrote:  We didn’t even play Mathis against UVa last year because of fear of (re)injury. Started a freshman in his first game and we all saw how that turned out.

We didn't play Mathis because he was still hurt. We haven't seen fully healthy Mathis in a long time.

Possibly...although he did start each of the next two games. That could easily lead one to surmise that he didn't play at UVa because of precautionary reasons.

Mathis started the Lafayette game, then didn't throw another pass until the Towson game, 6 weeks later.

(01-31-2022 06:04 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(01-31-2022 05:10 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  First Charlotte, and now Coastal. I cannot believe these non-Power 5 schools can pay us anywhere near what a Power 5 does, so I wonder if we are finding it harder to get those Power 5 games with the exception of UVA every few years? If we're playing Charlotte and Coastal, games against ODU and JMU can't be too far off. They'd be a lot more fun and beneficial to both sides in terms of attendance.

According to the article that broke this news, Coastal Carolina is paying W&M $325,000 for the game. Not sure but that sounds pretty close to the ACC payouts, UVA, NC State, etc?

That is more than I would have guessed. I don't think ODU has paid NSU or Hampton anywhere near that amount.

(02-02-2022 10:45 AM)TribeinVB Wrote:  

(01-31-2022 06:04 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(01-31-2022 05:10 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  First Charlotte, and now Coastal. I cannot believe these non-Power 5 schools can pay us anywhere near what a Power 5 does, so I wonder if we are finding it harder to get those Power 5 games with the exception of UVA every few years? If we're playing Charlotte and Coastal, games against ODU and JMU can't be too far off. They'd be a lot more fun and beneficial to both sides in terms of attendance.

According to the article that broke this news, Coastal Carolina is paying W&M $325,000 for the game. Not sure but that sounds pretty close to the ACC payouts, UVA, NC State, etc?

That is more than I would have guessed. I don't think ODU has paid NSU or Hampton anywhere near that amount.

CCU has been very successful as an FBS commanding big bucks for Power 5 games and annually making bowl money. Their combined record over the last two years is 22-3. They defeated BYU at home in 2020 when BYU was ranked #8 and CCU #15.