(01-28-2022 01:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 08:58 AM)goofus Wrote:  Hmmm.

An interesting idea just occurred to me. What if they guarunteed all P5 champions a spot and also guarunteed the top 6 conference champions a spot. Once those spots are filled, the rest go to at-large teams.

So most years the top 6 conference champions would be 5 P5 + 1 G5, so there would 6 at large teams.

Some years the top 6 conference champion would be 4 P5 + 2 G5. So in that case there would be 7 automatic spots and 5 at large.

Worst case, highly unlikely, top 6 champions would be 1 P5 + 5 G5, so there would would be 10 automatic spots and 2 at large teams

That’s an intriguing and/or clause that they could add in that would, on very rare occasions, yield a 7th autobid. That seems like an acceptable compromise.

The SEC and Notre Dame won't (and shouldn't) agree to it. They have made it clear that at-large bids, at-large bids, at-large bids and more at-large bids is what they need. To them, the top 6 conference champs IS the compromise already. Now, I'll be the first to state that they're both being a little disingenuous in their argument because even a pure "straight 12" with all at-large bids will inherently include multiple conference champs, but they've drawn the line in the sand on this issue.

As a result, reducing the number of at-large bids in any season is NOT a compromise because it will drive away the SEC (who absolutely has the most leverage out of anyone because they're the only league that can state that they're happy with the current top 4 system and truly mean it without BS). I'm not an SEC person, but in this particular negotiation, if you're proposing something that takes something away from the SEC (and they 100% consider taking away an at-large bid to be taking something away from them), then it's DOA.

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

Big 12 has had non Oklahoma teams finish 5,6,7 in the 8 years of the conference. And Cincy just finished #4. And UCF finished #8 before(and #12 actually). That all seems to be especially close to me.

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

It also took Washington going undefeated to get in one of those years- and frankly probably didn't even deserve that.

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff.

Right. The Big 12 that Bowlsby will have going forward benefits even more than the Big 12 he thought he had when he was negotiating about the playoff with Sankey while not knowing that Sankey was stealing his crown jewels at the same time.

I am for a 12 team format.
6 (P5 + Highest Ranked G5) + 1. (ND / Top Seeded At Large) + 4 (#2 through #5 / #4 when ND qualifies) + 1 (WW)

I would like to see guaranteed spots for every conference with the smaller leagues down the food chain doing a 2 game playoff for a spot in the second round (Play in games would be 1st Round) against the #1 seed. Basically the Wildcard games would determine who gets to lose to The SEC or Big Ten in the 2nd Round.

I envision The PAC, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC, and highest ranked team from the G5, Notre Dame would get a guaranteed bid if they are ranked in the Top 6 ( can’t give them an auto bid if they’re not ranked) ND’s spot would go to the next highest ranked as an at large. For example The Big Ten and SEC almost always have multiple teams better than the other conferences. This would open the spot that Notre Dame doesn’t fill that season to be filled by a P5. It could lead to the SEC or Big Team getting multiple teams in regularly but that’s fine. The CFP should be about the best teams regardless of conference.

What I envision using the play in games like the NFL does with the Wildcard games or NCAA basketball tournament does with The First Four.

The typical playoff would be:

1. SEC + 2. Big Ten + 3. Big 12. + 4. ACC + 5. PAC 12 + 6. ND / At Large + 7. Highest Ranked G5 (AAC)+ 8. At Large + 9. At Large + 10. At Large + 11. At Large + 12. Wildcard Winner (1. MWC + 2. MAC + 3. SB + 4. CUSA)

The Wildcard Play in Games:

1 vs 4
2 vs 3 Games played weekend of Conference Championships

1 vs 2 Wildcard Final 2nd Week of December Winner to CFP #12 Seed

#1 SEC vs #12 MWC
#2 Big Ten vs #11 At Large (#5 Seeded)
#3 Big 12 vs #10 At Large (#4 Seeded)
#4 ACC vs #9 At Large (#3 Seeded)
#5 PAC 12 vs #8 At Large (#2 Seeded)
#6 ND vs #7 At Large (#1 Seeded)

Seasons when ND doesn’t qualify the 6 At Large teams would be seeded.

After the 2nd round all teams would be reseeded each round through the tournament. (Not sure if this is good or not)

1. My format accomplishes giving every conference an opportunity to play in the CFP. Always the most important thing to me.

College football is losing interest from the lower ranked conferences because they have no chance of making the CFP. The Wildcard games give every team in the AAC, MW, MAC, SB and CUSA conferences the goal of making the CFP.

My idea is the 4 Wildcard teams would play their first game at the highest seeded teams home. Then the Wildcard play in game could be played at a neutral site. This game would be the only game played that weekend.

2. The next important thing is the deeper conferences get an opportunity to get up to 7 At Large Bids the years ND doesn’t qualify. Realistically you’re looking at 3 to 4 teams from the Big Ten or SEC each season with the PAC 12, Big 12 and ACC getting 2 teams some seasons.

3. My format doesn’t penalize the SEC or Big Ten for having more depth.

Any suggestions to improve this?

(01-28-2022 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

Big 12 has had non Oklahoma teams finish 5,6,7 in the 8 years of the conference. And Cincy just finished #4. And UCF finished #8 before(and #12 actually). That all seems to be especially close to me.

That's all correct. That's why he can be magnanimous about top 6 conferences, because the B12 would 99% of the time be one. However, if the CFB is ONLY the top 4 then Cincinnati would have been the only team that would have made it. I also think that if Notre Dame would have been 11-1 and their only loss was to ANYBODY except Cincinnati would have been jumped.

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

Bowlsby has the least amount of influence next to Aresco. It’s comical to consider his weight on the matter besides the one vote from the Big 12 rep. They may not even have the Sugar Bowl going forward.

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Bowlsby's conference would be fine in an eight-team playoff or 5+1+2. That would give the Big 12 champion an auto-bid. But that would mean 1-3 playoff berths for the SEC each season and that will not work for their future 16-team Super Conference. Notre Dame would be left with two at-large berths each season, so they will not support an eight-team playoff. Sankey and Swarbrick are protecting their own interests with the 12-team playoff system.

The twelve-team playoff would last four weeks. I am just interested to see how they work that around the NFL schedule. The NFL owns the weekend in Week 18, Week 19, and Week 20. Contractually with Disney, they will have two Saturday games in Week 18 of every season through 2032. Those games will be simulcast on ABC/ESPN. Week 19 and Week 20 are playoff weekends, Wild-card and Divisional. This season, the NFL also had two games on Saturday Week 16, and one game on Saturday Week 15. I would imagine that they are going to be pretty active on Saturdays after the college football conference championships and Army-Navy game.

The NFL will likely expand to 18 games and a 20 Week season in 2031. They are stuck in the current 18 Week, 17 game regular season model through the 2030 season, per the agreement with the NFLPA. When they do expand to 18 games and a 20 Week schedule, which the players need to approve, that is going to be more NFL games on TV. Just makes it a bit more challenging for CFP expansion.

(01-28-2022 06:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

Bowlsby has the least amount of influence next to Aresco. It’s comical to consider his weight on the matter besides the one vote from the Big 12 rep. They may not even have the Sugar Bowl going forward.

But what he is saying is pretty much in lockstep with the SEC, ND, and the G5. That's 8 votes right there. TV would be totally ok with it because it's realistically 5+1+6.

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

I think the XII in many respects is in a better place than the ACC and even the PAC in FB with the spread out geography. Texas/Oklahoma/TAMU/LSU aren't enough SEC programs to snarf up all the regional recruits.

Schools of the XII generally don't have that much competition from the B1G where as the ACC has a ton.

Pittsburgh and Wake at the top of the ACC isn't a very strong showing as they are incapable of landing a Top 10 recruiting class.

(01-28-2022 06:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

Bowlsby has the least amount of influence next to Aresco. It’s comical to consider his weight on the matter besides the one vote from the Big 12 rep. They may not even have the Sugar Bowl going forward.

Bowlsby has a good bit of personal influence from his experience. He's been around just about the longest and knows everyone. He's been AD at both Iowa and Stanford.

(01-28-2022 08:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 06:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 02:11 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I’ll give Bowlsby credit here for having a principled stand: he has been consistent on a 6+6 format even though a 5+1+6 format would help the Big 12 more than any other league. I believe that he’s seeing the broader picture that a 12-team playoff format is simply straight up better for everyone, so he hasn’t pushed for P5 auto-bids despite it being heavily in his league’s interests to do so.

Before we give Bowlsby a Nobel Peace Prize, the B12 is the P5 conference that benefits the most from an expanded playoff. While I think the new B12 will be a very good football conference it lacks star power at the upper end. For all the grief the PAC-12 get they have had two teams, neither of them USC, make the CFB Playoffs. The B12 hasn't had anyone especially close that wasn't Oklahoma.

Bowlsby has the least amount of influence next to Aresco. It’s comical to consider his weight on the matter besides the one vote from the Big 12 rep. They may not even have the Sugar Bowl going forward.

Bowlsby has a good bit of personal influence from his experience. He's been around just about the longest and knows everyone. He's been AD at both Iowa and Stanford.

Great point, and even more valuable & influential while the B1G, ACC and PAC all have inexperienced commissioners.

I think he's trying to get ahead of a relegation. Bowlsby knows the BigXII will be ok in a straight 6+6 format, and not much worse off than in a 5+7 format in that scenario. But, what if the other autonomous conferences create a 4+8 format excluding the BigXII? The perception hit from being relegated would be tangible.

The "eat what you kill" phrase points to perhaps there being a push for a greater performance-based payout system, like the NCAAT. Bowlsby is confident that even if the Big 12 is brand-poor, it should still do well in the Top 25. The current payout system goes through the bowls, which pay top dollar for landing P5 Champs.

If the P5 try and go around the bowls, they need a new justification for their enhanced payouts. Bowlsby wants the eat-what-you-kill format, because he thinks his conference can earn more than some brand-rich conferences.

“The only question that remains is the timeline for when the change comes, he said.”

If only that were remotely true, I think we would probably have a deal. However, there are many, many BIG questions out there that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of the playoff field.

How is the NIL going to work nationally so that everyone is playing by roughly the same rules?

Various state legislatures are starting to pass laws making their student-athletes University/states employees. How is that going to work?

Will that be used across the board or is that just going to be special legislated advantages for some schools.

How are transfers going to work? Can other universities tamper with other teams’ best players? Is there a window when that tampering can take place or is it just the Wild, Wild West? Assuming we are not for total anarchy, how do we prevent that? What’s the enforcement mechanism?

How does the payout structure work?

How are the teams chosen?

How many regular season games are being played in this brave New World? Are conference championship games still part of the equation?

Are rent-a-wins against FCS teams still permitted?

Is there a set number of conference games teams must play?

What about super seniors? How are we handling them?

Similarly, are we all set at 85 scholarships or could that be raised or lowered — due to the messy (and still unresolved) super senior rule?

So, respectfully, Mr. Bowlsby, don’t give me that BS. There are many, many ENORMOUS questions that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of a playoff, because depending on how many of those questions are addressed, it may not matter if a playoff field is eight teams, 12 teams, 16 teams or 374 teams.

I couldn’t care less about the size of a playoff until we have sone clarity on those fundamental questions.

Again, as respectfully as I can muster here while someone is pissing on my shoes while insisting that it’s raining, telling us, “Hey, man, don’t be such a drag. Let’s get the playoff figured out and then we can sort out all the fundamentals. You just have to trust that we won’t stab you in the back for a fifth time. The first four were all flukes and easily explainable.”

That is not an acceptable answer. Nope. I want that $hit in writing before I even consider talking about a comparatively minor issue like whether or not a playoff should be four teams, eight teams or 12 teams?

Further, I cannot fathom how that is not a universally held position? I mean we’re basically talking about nationalizing college football and whether it’s never been nationalized but there is no mechanism in place to ensure that everyone is playing by the same set of rules?

Can you imagine in the NFL if the Patriots were allowed to have an unlimited salary cap while the Bills had to have a small salary cap, as per state law? Also, the Patriots could steal all the Bills’ best players at any time if they wanted them?

And if in that scenario, the Bills, without guys like Josh Allen and Diggs and Edmunds and all their best players, they still somehow out-perform their rivals, some committee could theoretically point to those two teams and say, “Hey, buddy. This conversation is a real bummer but I know you beat them head to head, twice, but I like the way they looked down the stretch better than you and I think they pass the “looks test “” better than you, so they get in ahead of you. Better luck next year, sport”

That’s EXACTLY what we’re headed towards in college football - and have to a degree right now - and that is wholly unacceptable.

(01-29-2022 09:14 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  “The only question that remains is the timeline for when the change comes, he said.”

If only that were remotely true, I think we would probably have a deal. However, there are many, many BIG questions out there that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of the playoff field.

How is the NIL going to work nationally so that everyone is playing by roughly the same rules?

Various state legislatures are starting to pass laws making their student-athletes University/states employees. How is that going to work?

Will that be used across the board or is that just going to be special legislated advantages for some schools.

How are transfers going to work? Can other universities tamper with other teams’ best players? Is there a window when that tampering can take place or is it just the Wild, Wild West? Assuming we are not for total anarchy, how do we prevent that? What’s the enforcement mechanism?

How does the payout structure work?

How are the teams chosen?

How many regular season games are being played in this brave New World? Are conference championship games still part of the equation?

Are rent-a-wins against FCS teams still permitted?

Is there a set number of conference games teams must play?

What about super seniors? How are we handling them?

Similarly, are we all set at 85 scholarships or could that be raised or lowered — due to the messy (and still unresolved) super senior rule?

So, respectfully, Mr. Bowlsby, don’t give me that BS. There are many, many ENORMOUS questions that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of a playoff, because depending on how many of those questions are addressed, it may not matter if a playoff field is eight teams, 12 teams, 16 teams or 374 teams.

I couldn’t care less about the size of a playoff until we have sone clarity on those fundamental questions.

Again, as respectfully as I can muster here while someone is pissing on my shoes while insisting that it’s raining, telling us, “Hey, man, don’t be such a drag. Let’s get the playoff figured out and then we can sort out all the fundamentals. You just have to trust that we won’t stab you in the back for a fifth time. The first four were all flukes and easily explainable.”

That is not an acceptable answer. Nope. I want that $hit in writing before I even consider talking about a comparatively minor issue like whether or not a playoff should be four teams, eight teams or 12 teams?

Further, I cannot fathom how that is not a universally held position? I mean we’re basically talking about nationalizing college football and whether it’s never been nationalized but there is no mechanism in place to ensure that everyone is playing by the same set of rules?

Can you imagine in the NFL if the Patriots were allowed to have an unlimited salary cap while the Bills had to have a small salary cap, as per state law? Also, the Patriots could steal all the Bills’ best players at any time if they wanted them?

And if in that scenario, the Bills, without guys like Josh Allen and Diggs and Edmunds and all their best players, they still somehow out-perform their rivals, some committee could theoretically point to those two teams and say, “Hey, buddy. This conversation is a real bummer but I know you beat them head to head, twice, but I like the way they looked down the stretch better than you and I think they pass the “looks test “” better than you, so they get in ahead of you. Better luck next year, sport”

That’s EXACTLY what we’re headed towards in college football - and have to a degree right now - and that is wholly unacceptable.

Except for "how are the teams chosen," every one of your questions is totally irrelevant. That's like saying we can't fix Social Security because there are problems with our schools. We have a playoff today with many of those issues unresolved.

And I think we know the answer to how are the teams chosen. It will be by a committee and the only issues are how many automatic bids.

It’s going to be interesting watching them work through this.

“How is the NIL going to work nationally so that everyone is playing by roughly the same rules? “

The number 1 dual threat quarterback according to Rivals Pierce Clarkson committed to Louisville last Thursday.

His father Steve paid for electronic 11 billboards all over Louisville. The billboards reads:

"Dear Louisville, I'm home. Let's build something special together. Love Pierce Clarkson."

Steve has said the NIL potential of the city is one of reasons Pierce was coming from SoCal to UofL.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-cardinals

(01-29-2022 11:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-29-2022 09:14 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  “The only question that remains is the timeline for when the change comes, he said.”

If only that were remotely true, I think we would probably have a deal. However, there are many, many BIG questions out there that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of the playoff field.

How is the NIL going to work nationally so that everyone is playing by roughly the same rules?

Various state legislatures are starting to pass laws making their student-athletes University/states employees. How is that going to work?

Will that be used across the board or is that just going to be special legislated advantages for some schools.

How are transfers going to work? Can other universities tamper with other teams’ best players? Is there a window when that tampering can take place or is it just the Wild, Wild West? Assuming we are not for total anarchy, how do we prevent that? What’s the enforcement mechanism?

How does the payout structure work?

How are the teams chosen?

How many regular season games are being played in this brave New World? Are conference championship games still part of the equation?

Are rent-a-wins against FCS teams still permitted?

Is there a set number of conference games teams must play?

What about super seniors? How are we handling them?

Similarly, are we all set at 85 scholarships or could that be raised or lowered — due to the messy (and still unresolved) super senior rule?

So, respectfully, Mr. Bowlsby, don’t give me that BS. There are many, many ENORMOUS questions that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of a playoff, because depending on how many of those questions are addressed, it may not matter if a playoff field is eight teams, 12 teams, 16 teams or 374 teams.

I couldn’t care less about the size of a playoff until we have sone clarity on those fundamental questions.

Again, as respectfully as I can muster here while someone is pissing on my shoes while insisting that it’s raining, telling us, “Hey, man, don’t be such a drag. Let’s get the playoff figured out and then we can sort out all the fundamentals. You just have to trust that we won’t stab you in the back for a fifth time. The first four were all flukes and easily explainable.”

That is not an acceptable answer. Nope. I want that $hit in writing before I even consider talking about a comparatively minor issue like whether or not a playoff should be four teams, eight teams or 12 teams?

Further, I cannot fathom how that is not a universally held position? I mean we’re basically talking about nationalizing college football and whether it’s never been nationalized but there is no mechanism in place to ensure that everyone is playing by the same set of rules?

Can you imagine in the NFL if the Patriots were allowed to have an unlimited salary cap while the Bills had to have a small salary cap, as per state law? Also, the Patriots could steal all the Bills’ best players at any time if they wanted them?

And if in that scenario, the Bills, without guys like Josh Allen and Diggs and Edmunds and all their best players, they still somehow out-perform their rivals, some committee could theoretically point to those two teams and say, “Hey, buddy. This conversation is a real bummer but I know you beat them head to head, twice, but I like the way they looked down the stretch better than you and I think they pass the “looks test “” better than you, so they get in ahead of you. Better luck next year, sport”

That’s EXACTLY what we’re headed towards in college football - and have to a degree right now - and that is wholly unacceptable.

Except for "how are the teams chosen," every one of your questions is totally irrelevant. That's like saying we can't fix Social Security because there are problems with our schools. We have a playoff today with many of those issues unresolved.

And I think we know the answer to how are the teams chosen. It will be by a committee and the only issues are how many automatic bids.

That’s exactly my point! I would argue that just the opposite is true. Until we answer those fundamental questions, AFAIAC, the size of the playoff is completely irrelevant. I’m trying to figure out if this still college football or is that in name only?

Are we still all playing by the same set of rules?

Does anyone actually know what those rules are?

Are touchdowns still worth six points are they worth six points for some teams and 25 points for other more powerful teams?

What the hell are we doing here? Have we become so blinded by competitiveness that we’ve lost sight of the bigger picture?

Also, how long will it be before the players organize? They’re definitely going to unionize — as well they should. How are we going to deal with that? Is anybody thinking about this $hit, that is definitely — not possibly, not probably, definitely — going to fundamentally impact everything?

Do people honestly not understand that there’s going to be a gazillion unintended consequences to this and that if we don’t have some basic frameworks in place to deal with all of those unintended consequences we are risking the entire enterprise? Do people realize they’re risking killing the Golden Goose here or are they too greedy/dumb to see it?

(01-30-2022 02:43 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(01-29-2022 11:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-29-2022 09:14 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  “The only question that remains is the timeline for when the change comes, he said.”

If only that were remotely true, I think we would probably have a deal. However, there are many, many BIG questions out there that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of the playoff field.

How is the NIL going to work nationally so that everyone is playing by roughly the same rules?

Various state legislatures are starting to pass laws making their student-athletes University/states employees. How is that going to work?

Will that be used across the board or is that just going to be special legislated advantages for some schools.

How are transfers going to work? Can other universities tamper with other teams’ best players? Is there a window when that tampering can take place or is it just the Wild, Wild West? Assuming we are not for total anarchy, how do we prevent that? What’s the enforcement mechanism?

How does the payout structure work?

How are the teams chosen?

How many regular season games are being played in this brave New World? Are conference championship games still part of the equation?

Are rent-a-wins against FCS teams still permitted?

Is there a set number of conference games teams must play?

What about super seniors? How are we handling them?

Similarly, are we all set at 85 scholarships or could that be raised or lowered — due to the messy (and still unresolved) super senior rule?

So, respectfully, Mr. Bowlsby, don’t give me that BS. There are many, many ENORMOUS questions that must be addressed before we worry about the size and structure of a playoff, because depending on how many of those questions are addressed, it may not matter if a playoff field is eight teams, 12 teams, 16 teams or 374 teams.

I couldn’t care less about the size of a playoff until we have sone clarity on those fundamental questions.

Again, as respectfully as I can muster here while someone is pissing on my shoes while insisting that it’s raining, telling us, “Hey, man, don’t be such a drag. Let’s get the playoff figured out and then we can sort out all the fundamentals. You just have to trust that we won’t stab you in the back for a fifth time. The first four were all flukes and easily explainable.”

That is not an acceptable answer. Nope. I want that $hit in writing before I even consider talking about a comparatively minor issue like whether or not a playoff should be four teams, eight teams or 12 teams?

Further, I cannot fathom how that is not a universally held position? I mean we’re basically talking about nationalizing college football and whether it’s never been nationalized but there is no mechanism in place to ensure that everyone is playing by the same set of rules?

Can you imagine in the NFL if the Patriots were allowed to have an unlimited salary cap while the Bills had to have a small salary cap, as per state law? Also, the Patriots could steal all the Bills’ best players at any time if they wanted them?

And if in that scenario, the Bills, without guys like Josh Allen and Diggs and Edmunds and all their best players, they still somehow out-perform their rivals, some committee could theoretically point to those two teams and say, “Hey, buddy. This conversation is a real bummer but I know you beat them head to head, twice, but I like the way they looked down the stretch better than you and I think they pass the “looks test “” better than you, so they get in ahead of you. Better luck next year, sport”

That’s EXACTLY what we’re headed towards in college football - and have to a degree right now - and that is wholly unacceptable.

Except for "how are the teams chosen," every one of your questions is totally irrelevant. That's like saying we can't fix Social Security because there are problems with our schools. We have a playoff today with many of those issues unresolved.

And I think we know the answer to how are the teams chosen. It will be by a committee and the only issues are how many automatic bids.

That’s exactly my point! I would argue that just the opposite is true. Until we answer those fundamental questions, AFAIAC, the size of the playoff is completely irrelevant. I’m trying to figure out if this still college football or is that in name only?

Are we still all playing by the same set of rules?

Does anyone actually know what those rules are?

Are touchdowns still worth six points are they worth six points for some teams and 25 points for other more powerful teams?

What the hell are we doing here? Have we become so blinded by competitiveness that we’ve lost sight of the bigger picture?

Also, how long will it be before the players organize? They’re definitely going to unionize — as well they should. How are we going to deal with that? Is anybody thinking about this $hit, that is definitely — not possibly, not probably, definitely — going to fundamentally impact everything?

Do people honestly not understand that there’s going to be a gazillion unintended consequences to this and that if we don’t have some basic frameworks in place to deal with all of those unintended consequences we are risking the entire enterprise? Do people realize they’re risking killing the Golden Goose here or are they too greedy/dumb to see it?

I think that there’s widespread belief that players will get compensated more, whether indirectly through NIL or directly with payments from universities and/or unionization that you’ve mentioned.

However, it’s illogical to me that the reaction of colleges that are going to see an increase (quite possibly very large increase) in labor costs is to… scale back and/or “opt out” and/or pass on revenue expansion opportunities. That makes absolutely ZERO sense to me outside of the handful of fans that keep holding onto some quaint notion that college athletes are still amateurs that haven’t been de facto pro athletes for many years.

It’s pretty simple economics: if a business is going to see expenses rise (labor costs in this case), then the rational reaction is to try to INCREASE revenue as much as you can. If anything, the impending prospect of having to pay players directly is a huge incentive for CFP expansion. These colleges need as much increased revenue as possible. From the perspective of the colleges, it’s best to get a new playoff system in place *before* colleges start having to deal with a labor union that has to approve everything.

In essence, all of the impending changes coming up in college sports are NOT a reason to slow down on CFP expansion. To the contrary, all of these impending changes provide a huge incentive for the colleges to pass it ASAP (or else you’re going to need it approved by a union like the NFL or MLB, which could take years).