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Ruled ineligible at WKU and has left the university per last week's announcement.

https://www.wnky.com/keith-williams-and-...n-for-wku/

Hope he bounces back and goes onto to have a successful pro career.

Considering the NCAA found time to get a TEAM MANAGER at WKU an extra year of eligibility in the middle of this whole thing, this decision was dumb. There's no way they could have figured this out at any point earlier in the season?

An absolute waste of time for everyone involved and I feel bad for Keith.

So the article says that his request for immediate eligibility was denied. Couldn’t he sit out this year and be eligible next year?

Why did Keith not come back to UC? It sounded like it was a mutual decision between him and Coach Miller but does anyone have insight as to why they both decided to move on? It kind of seemed weird he ended up at WKU after having such a solid career here at UC.

(01-27-2022 10:03 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Why did Keith not come back to UC? It sounded like it was a mutual decision between him and Coach Miller but does anyone have insight as to why they both decided to move on? It kind of seemed weird he ended up at WKU after having such a solid career here at UC.

Great question and I doubt any of us have the answer. Keith was still a work in progress in some ways while being one of the most athletically gifted guards in recent memory. He could have really improved this team and upped his game had he stayed with Miller this year. One has to wonder if he regrets the transfer. Or if it was even his choice.

For his sake, I wish he would have followed the mass exodus out of town when Brannon was hired.

(01-27-2022 11:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 10:03 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Why did Keith not come back to UC? It sounded like it was a mutual decision between him and Coach Miller but does anyone have insight as to why they both decided to move on? It kind of seemed weird he ended up at WKU after having such a solid career here at UC.

Great question and I doubt any of us have the answer. Keith was still a work in progress in some ways while being one of the most athletically gifted guards in recent memory. He could have really improved this team and upped his game had he stayed with Miller this year. One has to wonder if he regrets the transfer. Or if it was even his choice.

From what I understand, Keith gave every indication he was leaving to go pro, so Wes filled out the roster accordingly. By the time Keith changed his mind, the roster was filled. I believe Wes took the job in April, and Keith didn't decide to return to school until late June or early July. I feel terrible for Keith, because he seems like a great guy, but must have gotten some bad advice along the way. I don't know how he could have thought he had a shot at being drafted, so I'm not sure why he would change his mind after realizing his best prospects were either overseas, or in the G-League.

(01-27-2022 11:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Great question and I doubt any of us have the answer. Keith was still a work in progress in some ways while being one of the most athletically gifted guards in recent memory. He could have really improved this team and upped his game had he stayed with Miller this year. One has to wonder if he regrets the transfer. Or if it was even his choice.

Nothing against KW but I strongly prefer Newman. Both are not great skilled but athletic wings with good size. Newman really embraces the role that KW should have developed into. Of course part of that is probably just our fault for not recruiting good 1-2 scorer options after JC.

(01-27-2022 12:59 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Great question and I doubt any of us have the answer. Keith was still a work in progress in some ways while being one of the most athletically gifted guards in recent memory. He could have really improved this team and upped his game had he stayed with Miller this year. One has to wonder if he regrets the transfer. Or if it was even his choice.

Nothing against KW but I strongly prefer Newman. Both are not great skilled but athletic wings with good size. Newman really embraces the role that KW should have developed into. Of course part of that is probably just our fault for not recruiting good 1-2 scorer options after JC.

Eh I'll take KW 9 times out of 10. KW never developed into a true go to guy like an SK, but don't let his senior year fool you. His junior year he averaged 12.6 points/4.6 rebounds/1.6 assist/1.2 steals/0.9 blocks a game on 46.6% shooting from the field and 34.2% from 3 land. That was more in the role your talking about.

We all know last year was a mess and there wasn't a go to scorer so he took that job. This year David DeJulius has really helped out and obviously JD scores points along with ok scoring from the rest of team.

I don't mind Newman one bit but outside of when KW is being double team and really the only threat to score, it is pretty clear to me that KW is the better player.

(01-27-2022 12:59 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Great question and I doubt any of us have the answer. Keith was still a work in progress in some ways while being one of the most athletically gifted guards in recent memory. He could have really improved this team and upped his game had he stayed with Miller this year. One has to wonder if he regrets the transfer. Or if it was even his choice.

Nothing against KW but I strongly prefer Newman. Both are not great skilled but athletic wings with good size. Newman really embraces the role that KW should have developed into. Of course part of that is probably just our fault for not recruiting good 1-2 scorer options after JC.

I'd rather have KW in Newman's roll if I knew KW would embrace Newman's role (if that makes sense). Keith at least gives you someone else who can create a shot late in the shot clock and if his shot selection was better he'd be much more efficient.

Of course given the habits developed partly out of necessity...your preference for Newman may be a good one.

Would be interesting to see what this team would look like if KW had come back. I wonder who the odd man out would have been -- I'm guessing either Hensley or McGinnis. Between DDJ, Keith, and Davenport, we might have had enough offense to be on the right side of the bubble. We would still be a flawed roster with similar problems though.

(01-27-2022 01:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 12:59 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Great question and I doubt any of us have the answer. Keith was still a work in progress in some ways while being one of the most athletically gifted guards in recent memory. He could have really improved this team and upped his game had he stayed with Miller this year. One has to wonder if he regrets the transfer. Or if it was even his choice.

Nothing against KW but I strongly prefer Newman. Both are not great skilled but athletic wings with good size. Newman really embraces the role that KW should have developed into. Of course part of that is probably just our fault for not recruiting good 1-2 scorer options after JC.

I'd rather have KW in Newman's roll if I knew KW would embrace Newman's role (if that makes sense). Keith at least gives you someone else who can create a shot late in the shot clock and if his shot selection was better he'd be much more efficient.

Of course given the habits developed partly out of necessity...your preference for Newman may be a good one.

I rather have had both and Eason.

(01-27-2022 04:01 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Would be interesting to see what this team would look like if KW had come back. I wonder who the odd man out would have been -- I'm guessing either Hensley or McGinnis. Between DDJ, Keith, and Davenport, we might have had enough offense to be on the right side of the bubble. We would still be a flawed roster with similar problems though.

I sorta forgot McGinnis was even on the roster. Is he hurt?

(01-27-2022 01:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 12:59 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Great question and I doubt any of us have the answer. Keith was still a work in progress in some ways while being one of the most athletically gifted guards in recent memory. He could have really improved this team and upped his game had he stayed with Miller this year. One has to wonder if he regrets the transfer. Or if it was even his choice.

Nothing against KW but I strongly prefer Newman. Both are not great skilled but athletic wings with good size. Newman really embraces the role that KW should have developed into. Of course part of that is probably just our fault for not recruiting good 1-2 scorer options after JC.

I'd rather have KW in Newman's roll if I knew KW would embrace Newman's role (if that makes sense). Keith at least gives you someone else who can create a shot late in the shot clock and if his shot selection was better he'd be much more efficient.

Of course given the habits developed partly out of necessity...your preference for Newman may be a good one.

We're in agreement. KW is more talented but I made my comment because Newman is comfortable playing the role. KW is either a volume scorer on a bad team or the 4-5th starter who can affect winning on a good team by using his energy to lift the team. Even early in his career when we had guys I never saw that mentality

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(01-27-2022 04:01 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Would be interesting to see what this team would look like if KW had come back. I wonder who the odd man out would have been -- I'm guessing either Hensley or McGinnis. Between DDJ, Keith, and Davenport, we might have had enough offense to be on the right side of the bubble. We would still be a flawed roster with similar problems though.

I don't think Newman comes here if Keith is still on the roster.

(01-27-2022 09:50 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 04:01 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Would be interesting to see what this team would look like if KW had come back. I wonder who the odd man out would have been -- I'm guessing either Hensley or McGinnis. Between DDJ, Keith, and Davenport, we might have had enough offense to be on the right side of the bubble. We would still be a flawed roster with similar problems though.

I don't think Newman comes here if Keith is still on the roster.

Probably not. Would have been tough to get both Keith and Newman more than 20 minutes or so per game, at least not without knocking Madsen completely out of the rotation and cutting minutes from DDJ and MAW.

Always surprised at the criticism of Keith Williams by some on this board. Keith is a 1000 point scorer in UC basketball history. I can think of so many games where he spurred a second half comeback against quality opponents with his energy, his ballhawking skills, his stuffs and dunks on breakaways and his winning mentality. Was he a perfect player? No, but you don’t reach 1000 points in a program of the historical quality of Cincinnati without being an extraordinary player. I miss Keith Williams, and believe he would’ve been a superb addition to our current years squad.

(01-28-2022 03:38 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 09:50 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 04:01 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Would be interesting to see what this team would look like if KW had come back. I wonder who the odd man out would have been -- I'm guessing either Hensley or McGinnis. Between DDJ, Keith, and Davenport, we might have had enough offense to be on the right side of the bubble. We would still be a flawed roster with similar problems though.

I don't think Newman comes here if Keith is still on the roster.

Probably not. Would have been tough to get both Keith and Newman more than 20 minutes or so per game, at least not without knocking Madsen completely out of the rotation and cutting minutes from DDJ and MAW.

Not seeing the downside here.

(01-28-2022 04:56 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Always surprised at the criticism of Keith Williams by some on this board. Keith is a 1000 point scorer in UC basketball history. I can think of so many games where he spurred a second half comeback against quality opponents with his energy, his ballhawking skills, his stuffs and dunks on breakaways and his winning mentality. Was he a perfect player? No, but you don’t reach 1000 points in a program of the historical quality of Cincinnati without being an extraordinary player. I miss Keith Williams, and believe he would’ve been a superb addition to our current years squad.

He would have been the best player on the floor under Wes. He was never one of Brannen’s guys and that staff put him in awful situations on what they wanted from him compared to what he was good at.

(01-28-2022 05:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 04:56 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Always surprised at the criticism of Keith Williams by some on this board. Keith is a 1000 point scorer in UC basketball history. I can think of so many games where he spurred a second half comeback against quality opponents with his energy, his ballhawking skills, his stuffs and dunks on breakaways and his winning mentality. Was he a perfect player? No, but you don’t reach 1000 points in a program of the historical quality of Cincinnati without being an extraordinary player. I miss Keith Williams, and believe he would’ve been a superb addition to our current years squad.

He would have been the best player on the floor under Wes. He was never one of Brannen’s guys and that staff put him in awful situations on what they wanted from him compared to what he was good at.

Both of you guys are 100% spot on correct.