StillJonesing Wrote:We can lose many games and we still don't drop down to 20K like you guys have recently, The fans still come. We haven't been that low since the mid 80's in fact, and we have had losing seasons since some very bad like the last couple of years. There is another stadium expansion in the works for us, some people don't steal they earn.

UTEP didn't steal anything.....they earned it. They spent too much money in the Sun Bowl. It's in our campus....what part of "it's our stadium and we own it" you don't understand.

It's good you have expansion on the works. There's talk UTEP will expand to 60-65k seats in the next 5 years. Like I said....no matter how you spin the facts.....UTEP is still ahead.

I can't even get credit for the good work I did pointing out La Techs shortcomings using their own website. You talk about no respect at all.

Just to responded to johnnylightning or whoever that Tech poster was. They state that if only they got into CUSA all their problems would be solved. That isnt Technically true :). Jim Oakes is La Techs biggest problem. While the Cajuns have steadily been making improvements in all their sports (compare the programs) Tech has been stagnant in football and has a downward trend in their womens basketball and last I was there I saw no major improvements for their sports facilities.

While if you could spend the time to cultivate La Tech they could become a force in their area (Northern Louisiana) much like USM has become in their area. However due to the 900lb gorilla they will never own the state and may only have a hope to be third in the state behind Tulane. My rough estimate is that it would take atleast 15 years from today for Tech to begin to obtain this. On the other hand you have ULL who also has the same potential and has the upside of being in a upswing athletically and having obtained some facility upgrades. ULL is a more comphrensive university while Tech is more specialized towards engineering (even though some other programs are good).

Basically if we lost a few teams today my list would be 1. Tech 1b. ULL (Tech has history) 2. Troy and 4. Arkansas State 5. North Texas 6. FAU and FIU (only as a pair) (could you imagine if they could get a decent following there is no other team in arkansas for competition other than the hogs)

And you have also averged 21,000 or less 6 times in the last 11 years. We haven't been that low since the mid 80's. That is just the fickleness of UTEP fans. 44,000 one year 20 K the next

:rolleyes:

We haven't averged below 29K in 10 years.

Also lets not count our eggs before they hatched this year a lot can still happen.

StillJonesing Wrote:We haven't been that low since the mid 80's in fact, and we have had losing seasons since some very bad like the last couple of years. There is another stadium expansion in the works for us, some people don't steal they earn.

Let me address the infamous 2003 season since it gets alot of play on this board. Utep expected to have a decent season. Not good, but not bad, much like the kind of year SMU is having right now, where they're competitive in all their games. In fact, we had I believe 7 home games on the schedule that season, and I remember Stull expecting a windfall from stadium receipts.

Well, it just so happened the season opener was against Cal_Poly, a dII team. Now, some of you know we lost but that's not the whole story. We didn't just lose, we got our asses whipped, it was not pretty.

I think attendance for that game was like 30k, and it went downhill from there. I'd be surprised if there were no more than 10k fans at the final game of the year against Fresno, people had basically voted with their butts about the current coaching staff. Frankly, this was the overwhelming reason why Nord was fired at the end of the year, because of the horrible attendance in what was expected to be one of our best overall attended years (because of the 7 home games).

As to the direct comparison of attendance in isolated years, again, that doesn't take into account the 3/4 winning seasons in 30-odd years. I would expect anyone's attendance to drop to the same, if not lower, level of attendance given the confluence of events and history.

Anyway, miner fans don't dwell on the past. We know we've sucked, so what? No one cares, it's all about what have you done for me lately and what can you do for me in the future as evidenced by USF's quick rise to BCS status. The only people who seem to care are those who fear being passed by.

StillJonesing Wrote:And you have also averged 21,000 or less 5 times in the last 10 years. We haven't been that low since the mid 80's. That is just the fickleness of UTEP fans. 44,000 one year 20 K the next

:rolleyes:

We haven't averged below 29K in 10 years.

Also lets not count our eggs before they hatched this year a lot can still happen.

ECU is dependent on visiting fans from CUSA, Big East, or ACC schools. UTEP is not.

Freddy The Freshman Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:And you have also averged 21,000 or less 5 times in the last 10 years.  We haven't been that low since the mid 80's. That is just the fickleness of UTEP fans.  44,000 one year 20 K the next

:rolleyes:

We haven't averged below 29K in 10 years.

Also lets not count our eggs before they hatched this year a lot can still happen.

ECU is dependent on visiting fans from CUSA, Big East, or ACC schools. UTEP is not.

This is actually a very good point. Outside of nmsu and unm fans, I'd be surprised if any team has ever brought more than 500-1000 fans, and that would be the rare team. When you see a Utep attendance number, you know 98%+ were for Utep.

No I just see a lot made of UTEP attendance and how loyal fans are, I call BS, and you guys litterly go from 20K in 2003 to 40K+ in one year. Give me a break, and this wasn't the only example 1998 20K 2000 40K+.

Yes you draw well but the fans are fickle as hell.

ECU has good fan support but Memphis and UTEP have far more potential to draw large crowds because we have larger populations. ECU might get 50K for VT with VT bringing 15K fans but they can't put up those kinds of numbers routinely even if they are winning or even if they expanded their stadium.

MinerTavo Wrote:

Freddy The Freshman Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:And you have also averged 21,000 or less 5 times in the last 10 years.  We haven't been that low since the mid 80's. That is just the fickleness of UTEP fans.  44,000 one year 20 K the next

:rolleyes:

We haven't averged below 29K in 10 years.

Also lets not count our eggs before they hatched this year a lot can still happen.

ECU is dependent on visiting fans from CUSA, Big East, or ACC schools. UTEP is not.

This is actually a very good point. Outside of nmsu and unm fans, I'd be surprised if any team has ever brought more than 500-1000 fans, and that would be the rare team. When you see a Utep attendance number, you know 95%+ were for Utep.

Bull ******, we don't give away more than a couple of thousand tickets to the other team anyway. Our fans BUY those tickets for the VT's and NCSU's because they are starved for seeing the big time games. S. Miss might have brought 200 fans we drew over 35,000 for that game, Rice might have brought 3 fans and we got 33,500. Duke brought a less than 1000 fans, is that the ACC you are refering to??

You guys sound like little *******!!!!!



I am happy to be in Conference USA and I think it will be like this for a long long long time. This BCS crap will not last forever!!!

Go UTEP!!! Beat Marshalll!!!!
GO ECU!!!! Just not this weekend!!



UCF 23 Marshall 13

All CUSA needs to add is a BCS auto bid "."

I'm going to stop arguing this as I've already posted most of my thoughts on the subject. ECU has great support. Utep has great support. Let's leave it at that. If it makes you happy to think ECU fans are the most loyal in the conference, then kudos to you. However, don't make the mistake of thinking the situations of the last 10 years have been the same for both schools or that the past is any indication of the future. Let's all look to USF as an example - no one could have predicted their current situation 5 years ago.

Tony The Tiger Wrote:ECU has good fan support but Memphis and UTEP have far more potential to draw large crowds because we have larger populations. ECU might get 50K for VT with VT bringing 15K fans but they can't put up those kinds of numbers routinely even if they are winning or even if they expanded their stadium.

I agree but I'd argue that UCF has as much upside as UTEP and Memphis. In the future I expect the knights to be right up there with you guys for the lead in attendance. All we need is our own stadium and a few more recruiting classes.

This is for the Carolina game




do you see a lot of baby blue.. there was 2000 UNC fans at this game. We didn't alocate them anymore.

MinerTavo Wrote:I'm going to stop arguing this as I've already posted most of my thoughts on the subject. ECU has great support. Utep has great support. Let's leave it at that. If it makes you happy to think ECU fans are the most loyal in the conference, then kudos to you. However, don't make the mistake of thinking the situations of the last 10 years have been the same for both schools or that the past is any indication of the future. Let's all look to USF as an example - no one could have predicted their current situation 5 years ago.

This is reasonable and I can agree with it. I am done, myself as well.

StillJonesing Wrote:This is for the Carolina game




do you see a lot of baby blue.. there was 2000 UNC fans at this game. We didn't alocate them anymore.

How do you draw against non-BCS teams? What are your largest crowds for non-BCS teams? I'm too lazy to look at your media guide.

You always sing the same song:

"UTEP fans are fickle"

"ECU has fan support, UTEP and Memphis don't"

"ECU is doing this and that"

"Despite the top 10 AP and BCS ranking....Boise State has done nothing"

"I don't like this conference because it's so spread out"

"I want ECU in the Big East"

"I want the BCS autobid and C-USA won't get it"


Man...you're so predictable. It's getting old. Try to win some games first (in the two revenue sports) and then dream of the BCS and the BE (which won't invite ECU). The BE doesn't need to expand.....if they do so with the choices they have....they'll committ suicide. The BCS will kick them. Even if they expand.....Memphis and UCF will be considered before ECU.

It's sad but true....the sooner you'll realize it....the better.



I'm out of here guys....see you tomorrow.

Marshall adds women's basketball and OK football
UTEP offers...well...everything
Rice adds champuionship baseball and great women's basketball, as well as decent men's hoops
UCF offers (WOW) decent football, very good basketball teams (they put up a figth vs. huskies, and a nice baseball team.

UNT fans decided to go after Tulsa and SMU.

Tulsa has been a pleasent surprise, in football anyway, BUT:

SMU is still a "problem." Decent hoops and great soccer is their name. They'll be fine, don't worry mustangs.

UNT and LTech just don't fit in. Great allignment.

UTEPDallas Wrote:The BE doesn't need to expand.....if they do so with the choices they have....they'll committ suicide. The BCS will kick them. Even if they expand.....Memphis and UCF will be considered before ECU.

At the risk of sounding biased I have to say that Memphis is the frontrunner for BE membership. If they expand by one it will be Memphis. If they take 2 teams the other one will be UCF. They are in a large florida market and have awesome football and basketball facilities on the way plus good coaches and administrators. Unfortunately, ECU desperately needs to get into the Big East but I'm afraid it's not gonna happen for them.

Tony The Tiger Wrote:

UTEPDallas Wrote:The BE doesn't need to expand.....if they do so with the choices they have....they'll committ suicide. The BCS will kick them. Even if they expand.....Memphis and UCF will be considered before ECU.

At the risk of sounding biased I have to say that Memphis is the frontrunner for BE membership. If they expand by one it will be Memphis. If they take 2 teams the other one will be UCF. They are in a large florida market and have awesome football and basketball facilities on the way plus good coaches and administrators. Unfortunately, ECU desperately needs to get into the Big East but I'm afraid it's not gonna happen for them.

I'm sure you said that 2 years ago, and we will see two years from now. These things change, and timing is everything.