(12-13-2021 08:06 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 08:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

I still say the guy who would help this team the most right now is DJ...

Especially since Deandre has forgotten how to shoot.

...and pass.

Yup. That the major difference this year.

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

(12-14-2021 08:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

Are you saying he wouldn't be an improvement over Lomax?

ALo ain't the problem. He's arguably the only guy on the team that knows his role. He can and most of the time completely takes out the opposing PG defensively. You can tell the team responds when he is on the court because they know he knows what to do.

BUT, the problem is that he is left out there for too many minutes. If he was getting 15-18mpg, he'd be fine. The longer he plays, the higher the chance he will play outside of his limitations.

Boogie is what he is. He's streaky and when he's off, he gives you nothing else. Not defensively and he's not going to "run" the team.

(12-13-2021 08:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

I still say the guy who would help this team the most right now is DJ...Especially since Deandre has forgotten how to shoot.

Appears DJ was/is a team player who was willing to accept his role...Probably still would have...Appears to be the opposite of the guy who stayed.

Accepted his role ? I think that’s why he left lol

(12-14-2021 03:19 PM)JCraft Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 08:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

Are you saying he wouldn't be an improvement over Lomax?

Stat people think it is as simple as remove Lomax stats and then add X player stats and that is the difference.

Basketball people understand that it is much more than that. Having a pg who is some type of offensive threat opens the floor up for all the other players, even if that player isnt scoring or getting straight assists. The fact 5 defenders have to guard 5 players makes the offense better.

(12-13-2021 08:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 08:06 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 08:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

I still say the guy who would help this team the most right now is DJ...

Especially since Deandre has forgotten how to shoot.

...and pass.

So you are saying DJ wouldn't have been a better fit on this team than Nolley?

DJ has hit more 3's than Nolley has this year.

Ok, but I was just adding to your last sentence.

(12-14-2021 03:38 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 08:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

I still say the guy who would help this team the most right now is DJ...Especially since Deandre has forgotten how to shoot.

Appears DJ was/is a team player who was willing to accept his role...Probably still would have...Appears to be the opposite of the guy who stayed.

Accepted his role ? I think that’s why he left lol

DJ’s numbers in Starkville look remarkably similar to his numbers at Memphis… not taking into account that DJ produced much better in the back half of last year than he did in the front. DJ would have been lost in our current roster cluster f, but the change has not “unleashed” an NBA star, either.

And speaking of transfers, Moussa is back to coming off the bench in Stillwater. Limitations are limitations regardless of the uniform.

(12-14-2021 03:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:19 PM)JCraft Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 08:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

Are you saying he wouldn't be an improvement over Lomax?

Stat people think it is as simple as remove Lomax stats and then add X player stats and that is the difference.

Basketball people understand that it is much more than that. Having a pg who is some type of offensive threat opens the floor up for all the other players, even if that player isnt scoring or getting straight assists. The fact 5 defenders have to guard 5 players makes the offense better.

If people wanna get mad at Penny for not signing a good PG, I get that. Maybe Timberlake should be getting more minutes, but he doesn’t have to be guarded on the perimeter either. Last I checked, he was 0% from 3.

(12-13-2021 02:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:32 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  Memphis would likely be undefeated with Steve Forbes as coach

With what players? We would not have these without our current coach.

Memphis recruits itself when you let it. Tubby didnt let it recruit itself. Theres no reason to believe Forbes couldnt recruit here the way Josh did. Hell he gets a top 50 class at Wake Forest.
he's already won more games this year than Manning did in all of 2019.

(12-14-2021 04:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:19 PM)JCraft Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 08:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

Are you saying he wouldn't be an improvement over Lomax?

Stat people think it is as simple as remove Lomax stats and then add X player stats and that is the difference.

Basketball people understand that it is much more than that. Having a pg who is some type of offensive threat opens the floor up for all the other players, even if that player isnt scoring or getting straight assists. The fact 5 defenders have to guard 5 players makes the offense better.

If people wanna get mad at Penny for not signing a good PG, I get that. Maybe Timberlake should be getting more minutes, but he doesn’t have to be guarded on the perimeter either. Last I checked, he was 0% from 3.

You said Timberlake, not me. As of now, people are still guarding him though. I kinda feel like I would run with Harris and that makes me sad because he does not have a PG mentality.

(12-14-2021 05:52 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 04:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:19 PM)JCraft Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 08:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

Are you saying he wouldn't be an improvement over Lomax?

Stat people think it is as simple as remove Lomax stats and then add X player stats and that is the difference.

Basketball people understand that it is much more than that. Having a pg who is some type of offensive threat opens the floor up for all the other players, even if that player isnt scoring or getting straight assists. The fact 5 defenders have to guard 5 players makes the offense better.

If people wanna get mad at Penny for not signing a good PG, I get that. Maybe Timberlake should be getting more minutes, but he doesn’t have to be guarded on the perimeter either. Last I checked, he was 0% from 3.

You said Timberlake, not me. As of now, people are still guarding him though. I kinda feel like I would run with Harris and that makes me sad because he does not have a PG mentality.

Yeah, I know. Just pointing out that we don’t have great options.

(12-14-2021 04:39 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:38 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 08:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

I still say the guy who would help this team the most right now is DJ...Especially since Deandre has forgotten how to shoot.

Appears DJ was/is a team player who was willing to accept his role...Probably still would have...Appears to be the opposite of the guy who stayed.

Accepted his role ? I think that’s why he left lol

DJ’s numbers in Starkville look remarkably similar to his numbers at Memphis… not taking into account that DJ produced much better in the back half of last year than he did in the front. DJ would have been lost in our current roster cluster f, but the change has not “unleashed” an NBA star, either.

And speaking of transfers, Moussa is back to coming off the bench in Stillwater. Limitations are limitations regardless of the uniform.

DJ will defend, rebound and pass.

He is doing the same in Starkville and he gives you versatility. Nolley cant guard a PF.

(12-14-2021 04:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:19 PM)JCraft Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 08:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

Are you saying he wouldn't be an improvement over Lomax?

Stat people think it is as simple as remove Lomax stats and then add X player stats and that is the difference.

Basketball people understand that it is much more than that. Having a pg who is some type of offensive threat opens the floor up for all the other players, even if that player isnt scoring or getting straight assists. The fact 5 defenders have to guard 5 players makes the offense better.

If people wanna get mad at Penny for not signing a good PG, I get that. Maybe Timberlake should be getting more minutes, but he doesn’t have to be guarded on the perimeter either. Last I checked, he was 0% from 3.

Yeah, his missed the one he shot.

(12-14-2021 05:52 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 04:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 03:19 PM)JCraft Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 08:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Yep, we need a 33% 3 pt shooter and 65% from the f/t line. He is averaging 12 pts a game playing nearly 30 minutes and still has average handles.

Did you even check his stats? He is the same player now he has been for three years with two teams. A volume streak shooter with very average stats who sometimes hits his streak but can shoot you out of a game as often.

Are you saying he wouldn't be an improvement over Lomax?

Stat people think it is as simple as remove Lomax stats and then add X player stats and that is the difference.

Basketball people understand that it is much more than that. Having a pg who is some type of offensive threat opens the floor up for all the other players, even if that player isnt scoring or getting straight assists. The fact 5 defenders have to guard 5 players makes the offense better.

If people wanna get mad at Penny for not signing a good PG, I get that. Maybe Timberlake should be getting more minutes, but he doesn’t have to be guarded on the perimeter either. Last I checked, he was 0% from 3.

You said Timberlake, not me. As of now, people are still guarding him though. I kinda feel like I would run with Harris and that makes me sad because he does not have a PG mentality.

While Earl is not a threat to shoot the three you still have to stay up on him because he is to big and strong to let him get going downhill. If defenders allow him a running start toward the rim there are very few college guards big enough to stop him.

(12-14-2021 05:12 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 02:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:32 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  Memphis would likely be undefeated with Steve Forbes as coach

With what players? We would not have these without our current coach.

Memphis recruits itself when you let it. Tubby didnt let it recruit itself. Theres no reason to believe Forbes couldnt recruit here the way Josh did. Hell he gets a top 50 class at Wake Forest.
he's already won more games this year than Manning did in all of 2019.

It either recruits itself or it doesn't. You can't say that it does, and then say "except for Tubby". He was the only HC we've ever had with a natty, and it didn't recruit itself for him.

(12-13-2021 02:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:32 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  Memphis would likely be undefeated with Steve Forbes as coach

With what players? We would not have these without our current coach.

Lots of keyboard and call-in warriors leaving that part out these days. Like it's easy to get Precious, LQ, Landers, Deandre, Boogie, Duren, Emoni. Cal is the only other coach who has consistently gotten high level out of towners to come here.

(12-13-2021 02:12 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(12-11-2021 02:38 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Larry Brown as coach.. So much talent is been wasted by Penny with continuous changing lineups and that blind loyalty to Lomax IMHO.

So is the theory that Larry Brown is giving him advice (what Brown would do if he was HC) and Penny is not listening to it? I have no reason to doubt that based on public info but why would Penny bring him on if not to listen to him when it comes to X's and O's type stuff?

Sssshhh. Don’t mess it up they’re on a roll.

(12-15-2021 12:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 02:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:32 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  Memphis would likely be undefeated with Steve Forbes as coach

With what players? We would not have these without our current coach.

Lots of keyboard and call-in warriors leaving that part out these days. Like it's easy to get Precious, LQ, Landers, Deandre, Boogie, Duren, Emoni. Cal is the only other coach who has consistently gotten high level out of towners to come here.

I know what you are going to say --BUT BUT -Lee/Parks/OJ were out of towners ----not way out- but out LOL --recruited by DANA

(12-13-2021 07:43 PM)JCraft Wrote:  The worst thing Penny did was let Boogie leave, we would be a lot better off with him.

Not much he could do about it ..................