Penny did a great job coaching all year. Glad the players finally listened.

The substitutions in the past games allowed the correct mix of players to be determined.

Takes character to stand by your guns... glad we have a coach with guts.

(12-15-2021 09:54 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 06:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 05:58 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 01:39 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 01:05 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  Penny is Loyal. He’s loyal to his players and he is Loyal to Memphis. At the end of the day we have to give him Lomax and Dandrige. I don’t include his son because his son has improved every year and has earned his spot

...by steering players away from the city and university

If you're a HS coach, your first loyalty is to your HS and players. It's hard to believe you would question his dedication to the university just because he saw a better fit for his kids to go elsewhere during the Tubby years.

That's one way to look at it......SMH.

So break this down for me. In your opinion you think it would've been right for Penny to steer his players to a program that was regressing in talent, fandom, and quality of play because he went there/lived there? His sole duty was to steer his guys towards programs that could maximize their talent and believe me during Tubby-time Memphis was not that program. Do you disagree?

I look at just like I do as a graduate who supports my university. I bought FB season tickets from Richard Williamson on through a lot of lean years & I've bought BB season tickets since Dana Kirk forward, through some great years & some not so great. Point is I support the program. Would like to think a prominent alum like Penny would also support the program whether it's going his way or not. Tubby was not a bad coach if you limit that consideration to coaching the players that show up. But he was an awful recruiter, was the worst public representative as our basketball coach that I can remember. He was arrogant & made it very difficult for anyone to support the program. It was almost as if Tubby really didn't want to be here & only came for the money - he essentially said as much. All of that said, if Penny actually encouraged recruits to go elsewhere. I'm disappointed. It makes Penny just as selfish as Tubby.

I disagree. During the Tubby years I would have told any basketball player with aspirations to stay the hell away from Tubby. I think it is more selfish to ask a 17=18 year old to sacrifice his career to come play for Tubby

(12-15-2021 10:26 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I disagree. During the Tubby years I would have told any basketball player with aspirations to stay the hell away from Tubby. I think it is more selfish to ask a 17=18 year old to sacrifice his career to come play for Tubby

As discussed in another thread, there is a diversity of what loyalty means.

(12-15-2021 10:26 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I disagree. During the Tubby years I would have told any basketball player with aspirations to stay the hell away from Tubby. I think it is more selfish to ask a 17=18 year old to sacrifice his career to come play for Tubby

Lol...

So you are saying Tubby couldn't succeed with the players Penny has been bringing in.

(12-15-2021 10:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 09:54 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 06:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 05:58 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 01:39 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ...by steering players away from the city and university

If you're a HS coach, your first loyalty is to your HS and players. It's hard to believe you would question his dedication to the university just because he saw a better fit for his kids to go elsewhere during the Tubby years.

That's one way to look at it......SMH.

So break this down for me. In your opinion you think it would've been right for Penny to steer his players to a program that was regressing in talent, fandom, and quality of play because he went there/lived there? His sole duty was to steer his guys towards programs that could maximize their talent and believe me during Tubby-time Memphis was not that program. Do you disagree?

I look at just like I do as a graduate who supports my university. I bought FB season tickets from Richard Williamson on through a lot of lean years & I've bought BB season tickets since Dana Kirk forward, through some great years & some not so great. Point is I support the program. Would like to think a prominent alum like Penny would also support the program whether it's going his way or not. Tubby was not a bad coach if you limit that consideration to coaching the players that show up. But he was an awful recruiter, was the worst public representative as our basketball coach that I can remember. He was arrogant & made it very difficult for anyone to support the program. It was almost as if Tubby really didn't want to be here & only came for the money - he essentially said as much. All of that said, if Penny actually encouraged recruits to go elsewhere. I'm disappointed. It makes Penny just as selfish as Tubby.

Selfish is such a harsh word.

We don't know if Penny was trying to get Tubby fired to get the job or if he just didn't like Tubby.

(12-15-2021 12:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:26 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I disagree. During the Tubby years I would have told any basketball player with aspirations to stay the hell away from Tubby. I think it is more selfish to ask a 17=18 year old to sacrifice his career to come play for Tubby

Lol...

So you are saying Tubby couldn't succeed with the players Penny has been bringing in.

So you are saying Tubby is the greatest coach in the history of basketball..


If we are just going to make **** up, lets keep it up.

Give me another "So you are saying" that is not what I said so I can give you another "So you are saying" that is not what you said...

as of now we are..

I say Tubby couldnt succeed with Penny players

and

You say Tubby is the greatest coach in the history of basketball.

(12-15-2021 01:23 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:26 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I disagree. During the Tubby years I would have told any basketball player with aspirations to stay the hell away from Tubby. I think it is more selfish to ask a 17=18 year old to sacrifice his career to come play for Tubby

Lol...

So you are saying Tubby couldn't succeed with the players Penny has been bringing in.

So you are saying Tubby is the greatest coach in the history of basketball..


If we are just going to make **** up, lets keep it up.

Give me another "So you are saying" that is not what I said so I can give you another "So you are saying" that is not what you said...

as of now we are..

I say Tubby couldnt succeed with Penny players

and

You say Tubby is the greatest coach in the history of basketball.

Lol...I guess your rant is fair. Let me ask my question clearly.

Do you think Tubby can be at least as successful with the players Penny has brought in as Penny has been. Because you stated that you wouldn't send anyone to play for Tubby.

(12-15-2021 01:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:23 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:26 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I disagree. During the Tubby years I would have told any basketball player with aspirations to stay the hell away from Tubby. I think it is more selfish to ask a 17=18 year old to sacrifice his career to come play for Tubby

Lol...

So you are saying Tubby couldn't succeed with the players Penny has been bringing in.

So you are saying Tubby is the greatest coach in the history of basketball..


If we are just going to make **** up, lets keep it up.

Give me another "So you are saying" that is not what I said so I can give you another "So you are saying" that is not what you said...

as of now we are..

I say Tubby couldnt succeed with Penny players

and

You say Tubby is the greatest coach in the history of basketball.

Lol...I guess your rant is fair. Let me ask my question clearly.

Do you think Tubby can be at least as successful with the players Penny has brought in as Penny has been. Because you stated that you wouldn't send anyone to play for Tubby.

It would depend on if he were checked in or not.

Let's not forget, Tubby punted the first season entirely. Through out the first season, any time someone interviewed a player they said the same thing.. "Tubby lets us do whatever we want to do". If you were watching the games, the first season, Tubby sat on the bench and observed. At least until we piled up 17 wins. Then things changed, both watching and according to the players. I am pretty sure it was Crawford who was being interviewed that said "Tubby didnt do anything until he saw how many games we were winning, then he wanted to get involved. After he started telling us what to do, we started losing". Not long after the losing streak to finish the season, Tub came out saying "we dont want to win too much the first season". Now, I am not saying he sabotaged the team, but I am saying he did the exact opposite of helping a team that had 17 wins with a solid chance of making the tournament.

I have kind of checked in on High Point from time to time, and I am still willing to say that there is no way I would send my son, or a family member to a Tubby coached program.

I guess my answer to your question is a head-scratching maybe? But I would not risk a player with a potential career with Tubby at this stage.

(12-15-2021 10:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 09:54 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 06:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 05:58 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 01:39 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ...by steering players away from the city and university

If you're a HS coach, your first loyalty is to your HS and players. It's hard to believe you would question his dedication to the university just because he saw a better fit for his kids to go elsewhere during the Tubby years.

That's one way to look at it......SMH.

So break this down for me. In your opinion you think it would've been right for Penny to steer his players to a program that was regressing in talent, fandom, and quality of play because he went there/lived there? His sole duty was to steer his guys towards programs that could maximize their talent and believe me during Tubby-time Memphis was not that program. Do you disagree?

I look at just like I do as a graduate who supports my university. I bought FB season tickets from Richard Williamson on through a lot of lean years & I've bought BB season tickets since Dana Kirk forward, through some great years & some not so great. Point is I support the program. Would like to think a prominent alum like Penny would also support the program whether it's going his way or not.

Uh, Penny did support the university. He gave money, time, and bought tix. He just didn't send his HS players, who trusted him like a father, to play for Tubby.

(12-16-2021 12:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 09:54 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 06:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 05:58 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If you're a HS coach, your first loyalty is to your HS and players. It's hard to believe you would question his dedication to the university just because he saw a better fit for his kids to go elsewhere during the Tubby years.

That's one way to look at it......SMH.

So break this down for me. In your opinion you think it would've been right for Penny to steer his players to a program that was regressing in talent, fandom, and quality of play because he went there/lived there? His sole duty was to steer his guys towards programs that could maximize their talent and believe me during Tubby-time Memphis was not that program. Do you disagree?

I look at just like I do as a graduate who supports my university. I bought FB season tickets from Richard Williamson on through a lot of lean years & I've bought BB season tickets since Dana Kirk forward, through some great years & some not so great. Point is I support the program. Would like to think a prominent alum like Penny would also support the program whether it's going his way or not.

Uh, Penny did support the university. He gave money, time, and bought tix. He just didn't send his HS players, who trusted him like a father, to play for Tubby.

It wasnt Penny’s job to send his guys to hi alma mater. His job was to advise those guys in a way that put them in the best position to succeed. Plus, I dont khow that Tubby really wanted any local guys.

(12-16-2021 12:27 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 12:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 09:54 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 06:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  That's one way to look at it......SMH.

So break this down for me. In your opinion you think it would've been right for Penny to steer his players to a program that was regressing in talent, fandom, and quality of play because he went there/lived there? His sole duty was to steer his guys towards programs that could maximize their talent and believe me during Tubby-time Memphis was not that program. Do you disagree?

I look at just like I do as a graduate who supports my university. I bought FB season tickets from Richard Williamson on through a lot of lean years & I've bought BB season tickets since Dana Kirk forward, through some great years & some not so great. Point is I support the program. Would like to think a prominent alum like Penny would also support the program whether it's going his way or not.

Uh, Penny did support the university. He gave money, time, and bought tix. He just didn't send his HS players, who trusted him like a father, to play for Tubby.

It wasnt Penny’s job to send his guys to hi alma mater. His job was to advise those guys in a way that put them in the best position to succeed. Plus, I dont khow that Tubby really wanted any local guys.

That's fair, but if Penny was actively telling Memphis players (not just his players) to stay away from Memphis, as has been alleged, that's not good. That makes it seem like he had selfish motives.