(12-13-2021 03:11 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Thanks Miggy for your perspective and insight!

Regarding our next basketball schedule, I hope Coach Heath can get creative and schedule a basketball game against MSU or UofM at LCA next season. MSU is playing Oakland at the LCA on December 21. That’s a win-win for both schools since MSU won’t come to Oakland anymore. Low travel costs and a higher revenue potential for MSU to play in front of a big venue and fans who would not be at the Breslin this close to a Christmas holiday.

I’m sure Coach Heath has something in the works since he’s a great friend of Izzo. I’m sure Kampe is getting nervous with Coach Heath at EMU!!!

Kampe has seen it all. He has a very good overall really young team. They already signed two players for 2022. Plenty of instate talent for all Michigan mens teams in 2023.

(12-13-2021 03:13 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 02:44 PM)Miggy Wrote:  NCAA NET men’s bb rankings ranks EMU 207fh best team in the nation, and 6th best team in the MAC. EMU is slightly ahead of both Bowling Green and Akron, followed by Ball State, Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, and Central Michigan.

The first five teams are Buffalo, Ohio, Toledo, Miami of Ohio, and Kent State.

I believe by the end of season, we will be a top 5 team and bump Miami of Ohio and Kent StTe to a lower rung.

Look for Miami of Ohio to drop and possibly Ohio as well. Kent State may remain among MAX’s best teams.

Clemson , raked 68th by NCAA NET beat 123 ranked MOH, 89-76 on Clemson’s home court. Clemson led at halftime 36-35.

EMU’s three recent wins is drawing EMU respect by ranking services. While the NCAA NET ranks EMU 207th in the nation, eight other ranking services now rank EMU that ranges from 147 to 207.

A win over Valpo, should see EMU continue to rise in the polls. Valpo also sports a 5-5 record. Valpo fans on their message board have expressed their dissatisfaction with Valpo’s play.

If EMU can go on and beat or play Ohio close, and follow that up with a win or close-game at home against Buffalo, EMU will turn the MAC into a wide-open race.

(12-15-2021 01:45 AM)Miggy Wrote:  EMU’s three recent wins is drawing EMU respect by ranking services. While the NCAA NET ranks EMU 207th in the nation, eight other ranking services now rank EMU that ranges from 147 to 207.

A win over Valpo, should see EMU continue to rise in the polls. Valpo also sports a 5-5 record. Valpo fans on their message board have expressed their dissatisfaction with Valpo’s play.

If EMU can go on and beat or play Ohio close, and follow that up with a win or close-game at home against Buffalo, EMU will turn the MAC into a wide-open race.

Yes indeed Miggy……you know how much I love EMU basketball and how I feel the future looks bright but one game at a time. Can we beat Valpo on the road? So far we have not win any road games. We need to beat Valpo before even considering matching up with Buffalo (they are talented and experienced) as you know.

Even though EMU hasn’t won a game on the road, I don’t that being a problem as EMU outscored Indiana on the road in the second half by a large margin, and only lost to UCSD as EMU played below the three-point line and allowed UCSD to go-off shooting three’s. EmU also led NKentucky on the road by failing to get the ball in at the end of the game. In retrospect, both MSU and DePaul are two losses that would have likely occurred if played at the Convo Center.

Don’t see EMU losing to Valpo as long as they don’t make bad turnover mistakes and the refs are fair.

This past week, Torvik ranked EMU’s defense 52nd best in the nation. Massey says Valpo defense is far better than it’s offense, and rates it’s defense better than it’s offense. EMU’s defense.

Valpo will be favored because the game is being played on Valpo’s home court.

Should add that EMU’s players will be well-rested with the holiday lay-off and will have four days of practices to prepare for the Valpo game.

Glad we play Ohio before we meet Buffalo.

(12-15-2021 01:11 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:45 AM)Miggy Wrote:  EMU’s three recent wins is drawing EMU respect by ranking services. While the NCAA NET ranks EMU 207th in the nation, eight other ranking services now rank EMU that ranges from 147 to 207.

A win over Valpo, should see EMU continue to rise in the polls. Valpo also sports a 5-5 record. Valpo fans on their message board have expressed their dissatisfaction with Valpo’s play.

If EMU can go on and beat or play Ohio close, and follow that up with a win or close-game at home against Buffalo, EMU will turn the MAC into a wide-open race.

Yes indeed Miggy……you know how much I love EMU basketball and how I feel the future looks bright but one game at a time. Can we beat Valpo on the road? So far we have not win any road games. We need to beat Valpo before even considering matching up with Buffalo (they are talented and experienced) as you know.

Try 278
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gan-eagles

(12-15-2021 04:45 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:11 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:45 AM)Miggy Wrote:  EMU’s three recent wins is drawing EMU respect by ranking services. While the NCAA NET ranks EMU 207th in the nation, eight other ranking services now rank EMU that ranges from 147 to 207.

A win over Valpo, should see EMU continue to rise in the polls. Valpo also sports a 5-5 record. Valpo fans on their message board have expressed their dissatisfaction with Valpo’s play.

If EMU can go on and beat or play a lose game against Ohio, and follows that up with a win or close-game at home against Buffalo, EMU will turn the MAC into a wide-open race.

Yes indeed Miggy……you know how much I love EMU basketball and how I feel the future looks bright but one game at a time. Can we beat Valpo on the road? So far we have not win any road games. We need to beat Valpo before even considering matching up with Buffalo (they are talented and experienced) as you know.

Try 278
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gan-eagles

No. The rankings are all over the place.

The only relevant rankings is the NCAA NEt that influences invitation to the NCAA Tournament in March. EMU is ranked 207 by the NCAA Net.

EMU has beaten teams. in the top 200. Teamrankings and others are way off as they’re are based on out-dated EMU stats and are no longer relevant material. As EMU has changed the last few games their offensive and defensive schemes. .

By more importantly, it’s how EMU plays in in the MAC that will give us a more accurate picture of how good a team EMU actually is.

It if you think based on your observations that EMU should be ranked 276, so be it.

(12-15-2021 01:31 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Should add that EMU’s players will be well-rested with the holiday lay-off and will have four days of practices to prepare for the Valpo game.

Glad we play Ohio before we meet Buffalo.

That delay before Valpo, actually could be a kiss of death for the game. I usually feel teams come out of those a bit sluggish.

About the computer rankings, my take is just use the NET rankings since it is the one that the NCAA selection committee generated and uses for seeding and selection. Otherwise, it is somewhat random on “whose to believe”. Although, I will say they usually start coming much more similar as the year goes on.

The NET has really only been around since 2018 (I believe). Prior to that the committee used the RPI which was far too simplistic of a calculation for any semblance of accuracy. So that led people to use other more complicated rankings like sagarin’s, KenProm, etc. But I see no need for that anymore given the enhanced accuracy of the NET. Not stating the NET is the ultimate in accuracy, just that you really can’t make an argument of one over the other.

(12-15-2021 05:33 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  [quote='Miggy' pid='17948947' dateline='1639593094']
Should add that EMU’s players will be well-rested with the holiday lay-off and will have four days of practices to prepare for the Valpo game.

Glad we play Ohio before we meet Buffalo.

That delay before Valpo, actually could be a kiss of death for the game. I usually feel teams come out of those a bit sluggish.

EMU is coming off a 4 overtime game. Believe EMU’s three straight wins will propel the team going into the Valpo game. Also, since the players know that finals are behind them and rested, coupled with four days of practice, they won’t be sluggish. Hope HC Heath has his players start aggressively in the Valpo game, as that would lessen EMU becoming sluggish.

(12-15-2021 05:33 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:31 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Should add that EMU’s players will be well-rested with the holiday lay-off and will have four days of practices to prepare for the Valpo game.

Glad we play Ohio before we meet Buffalo.

That delay before Valpo, actually could be a kiss of death for the game. I usually feel teams come out of those a bit sluggish.

About the computer rankings, my take is just use the NET rankings since it is the one that the NCAA selection committee generated and uses for seeding and selection. Otherwise, it is somewhat random on “whose to believe”. Although, I will say they usually start coming much more similar as the year goes on.

The NET has really only been around since 2018 (I believe). Prior to that the committee used the RPI which was far too simplistic of a calculation for any semblance of accuracy. So that led people to use other more complicated rankings like sagarin’s, KenProm, etc. But I see no need for that anymore given the enhanced accuracy of the NET. Not stating the NET is the ultimate in accuracy, just that you really can’t make an argument of one over the other.

Good points Ramy. That said, unless I'm Nate Oats coaching his Buffalo teams, I don't give a whit about the NET rankings. I have one goal, win the MAC and go as deep as possible in the NCAA tournament. The MAC is a one bid league and when conference play starts in two weeks, everybody will be 0-0 and their respective records and rankings to date will be in essence, meaningless.

The rankings are just fun stuff for sports nuts like us.

(12-15-2021 04:59 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 04:45 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:11 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:45 AM)Miggy Wrote:  EMU’s three recent wins is drawing EMU respect by ranking services. While the NCAA NET ranks EMU 207th in the nation, eight other ranking services now rank EMU that ranges from 147 to 207.

A win over Valpo, should see EMU continue to rise in the polls. Valpo also sports a 5-5 record. Valpo fans on their message board have expressed their dissatisfaction with Valpo’s play.

If EMU can go on and beat or play a lose game against Ohio, and follows that up with a win or close-game at home against Buffalo, EMU will turn the MAC into a wide-open race.

Yes indeed Miggy……you know how much I love EMU basketball and how I feel the future looks bright but one game at a time. Can we beat Valpo on the road? So far we have not win any road games. We need to beat Valpo before even considering matching up with Buffalo (they are talented and experienced) as you know.

Try 278
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gan-eagles

No. The rankings are all over the place.

The only relevant rankings is the NCAA NEt that influences invitation to the NCAA Tournament in March. EMU is ranked 207 by the NCAA Net.

EMU has beaten teams. in the top 200. Teamrankings and others are way off as they’re are based on out-dated EMU stats and are no longer relevant material. As EMU has changed the last few games their offensive and defensive schemes. .

By more importantly, it’s how EMU plays in in the MAC that will give us a more accurate picture of how good a team EMU actually is.

It if you think based on your observations that EMU should be ranked 276, so be it.

My eye test tells me we’re between 110-150….although on occasion, I believe we could beat a team 50-120

(12-15-2021 06:05 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 05:33 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 01:31 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Should add that EMU’s players will be well-rested with the holiday lay-off and will have four days of practices to prepare for the Valpo game.

Glad we play Ohio before we meet Buffalo.

That delay before Valpo, actually could be a kiss of death for the game. I usually feel teams come out of those a bit sluggish.

About the computer rankings, my take is just use the NET rankings since it is the one that the NCAA selection committee generated and uses for seeding and selection. Otherwise, it is somewhat random on “whose to believe”. Although, I will say they usually start coming much more similar as the year goes on.

The NET has really only been around since 2018 (I believe). Prior to that the committee used the RPI which was far too simplistic of a calculation for any semblance of accuracy. So that led people to use other more complicated rankings like sagarin’s, KenProm, etc. But I see no need for that anymore given the enhanced accuracy of the NET. Not stating the NET is the ultimate in accuracy, just that you really can’t make an argument of one over the other.

Good points Ramy. That said, unless I'm Nate Oats coaching his Buffalo teams, I don't give a whit about the NET rankings. I have one goal, win the MAC and go as deep as possible in the NCAA tournament. The MAC is a one bid league and when conference play starts in two weeks, everybody will be 0-0 and their respective records and rankings to date will be in essence, meaningless.

The rankings are just fun stuff for sports nuts like us.

We were a 2 bid conference for a few years. Then MAC coach hiring and recruiting took a nose dive. EMU started it by hiring barns then Boone! We haven't had a true NBA player in over a decade.

My eye test tells me we’re between 110-150….although on occasion, I believe we could beat a team 50-120

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On any given night, EMU could beat a top-ranked team, but could also lose to a lower-rated team.

A later post states that instead of concentrating on EMU’s national rank, we should focus on how EMU plays in conference play. Believe that’s so true.

Ohio beat Marshall at home 75-65. Seems Ohio was aided by the refs as eOhio was averaging just 14-foul stirs per game, took 26- foul shots in the game. Ohio shot 24-26 at the foul-line, and scored 14-more points than Marshall at the foul line. Hope EMU doesn’t run into homer refs when they start MAC play the end of the month at Ohio.

Ohio’s two and three point shooting was not impressive. It’s defense was as it help Marshall to scoring well below their average.

Ohio is more of a defensive team than an offensive team as Ohio is only averaging 72 ppg in non-non conference games. Last season, Ohio averaged 79 ppg.

Akron had previously beat Marshall by only two-points.

Akron won yesterday 65-48 over a very weak Wright State team.

(12-16-2021 05:36 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Ohio beat Marshall at home 75-65. Seems Ohio was aided by the refs as eOhio was averaging just 14-foul stirs per game, took 26- foul shots in the game. Ohio shot 24-26 at the foul-line, and scored 14-more points than Marshall at the foul line. Hope EMU doesn’t run into homer refs when they start MAC play the end of the month at Ohio.

Ohio’s two and three point shooting was not impressive. It’s defense was as it help Marshall to scoring well below their average.

Ohio is more of a defensive team than an offensive team as Ohio is only averaging 72 ppg in non-non conference games. Last season, Ohio averaged 79 ppg.

Akron had previously beat Marshall by only two-points.

Akron won yesterday 65-48 over a very weak Wright State team.

Or maybe Ohio U and Akron have competitive teams this year. Try that one once in a while.

EMU79:

Or maybe Ohio U and Akron have competitive teams this year. Try that one once in a while.
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Of course, both Ohio and Akron are competitive teams. Akron averaged just 72 ppg. Akron has four players who average between 10 and 12.7 ppg. Both teams are primarily defensive teams. Issue is whether EMU is capable of beating both teams? I think so.

(12-16-2021 10:39 AM)Miggy Wrote:  EMU79:

Or maybe Ohio U and Akron have competitive teams this year. Try that one once in a while.

Of course, both Ohio and Akron are competitive teams. Akron averaged just 72 ppg. Akron has four players who average between 10 and 12.7 ppg. Both teams are primarily defensive teams. Issue is whether EMU is capable of beating both teams? I think so.
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We will find out soon enough…..I believe we will squeak by Valpo. Need Njie to keep improving, Monty and Noah to get back on track scoring and reducing turnovers, and everyone play their roles.

Red-shirt freshman Randle will be a major inside force next season on both sides of the ball. He needed to sit out this season so he would be prepared for next season.