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(12-09-2021 04:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 01:07 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 12:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I think Myrtle Beach shows the importance of in game coaching/adjustments/etc. Not everyone is up to the task. You can have a game plan but how does the other team adjust and how do you adjust to that. There is a reason Stansbury doesn't win anything at WKY.

Im not saying we are great this year but if you take out those 3 games, our ranking would be significantly higher.

Should we have been more prepared for missing the head coach....maybe...thats a different argument. Im not sure how many teams can replace the head coach, there are some examples of teams falling apart without the coach. Im sure there are some examples of the opposite.

I think that is a bit strong and over the top to say that they don't win anything. It's true that Stansbury hasn't taken WKU to the NCAA Tournament, but they did win the CUSA regular season title last year, and at last count his record at WKU was 103-60. In the past they have had some nice out of conference wins under him. I would agree that he has disappointed overall with the talent level that he has recruited though.

You told me only NCAA tourney appearances matter....now they dont?

All that matters is NCAA’s? That’s 35’s mantra.

(12-09-2021 10:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 04:50 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 12:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I think Myrtle Beach shows the importance of in game coaching/adjustments/etc. Not everyone is up to the task. You can have a game plan but how does the other team adjust and how do you adjust to that. There is a reason Stansbury doesn't win anything at WKY.

Im not saying we are great this year but if you take out those 3 games, our ranking would be significantly higher.

Should we have been more prepared for missing the head coach....maybe...thats a different argument. Im not sure how many teams can replace the head coach, there are some examples of teams falling apart without the coach. Im sure there are some examples of the opposite.

So now we're arguing IF? If any team won 30% more of their games their ranking would be higher. Remember, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

No, saying if they didn't happen. The difference between those 3 games and the remainder of our schedule is rather large.

I had some time this morning so I was curious to see how significant the difference was.

In the 3 Myrtle games, our offense ranged from .54 to 1.01 with an average of .86 ppp. In our remaining games, the offense has ranged from 0.76 to 1.30 with an average of 1.06 ppp. The JMU game is the low end of that range. In games other than the JMU and Indiana State games, our offense has actually been fairly good, ranging from a low end of .93 and a high end of 1.3 (VW and Manhattan).

VCU is by far the best defense we have faced Im guessing (without looking up) but Im not terribly disappointed in the offense.

In the 3 Myrtle games, the defense ranged from 1.15 to 1.19 with an average of 1.17. In the remaining games, the defense has ranged from 0.8 to 1.04 with an average of .93. Outside of the MB, we've only had 2 games giving up more than 1.00 ppp and that was Longwood (1.04) and ECU (1.01). Its still surprising that we gave up so few points while giving up 15-27 from 3.

I knew the gap being those 3 games was significant, but I did not realize how big it is.

We have to stay away from the turnovers giving VCU easy baskets. If we don't give them easy baskets, they will struggle to score just like we likely will. Limit turnovers, hit a few shots and we'll have a chance at the end.

It's hard to put much emphasis on data when it is about taking certain games away from the equation, and then comparing them to the games that remain. Every team, and every game is different, and those differences matter in the overall data that shows were the team actually is. Simply taking away some of the poor results gives a skewed result of the data.

We agree on the turnovers (and general handling of the defensive pressure) being the key to the VCU game. I indicated a couple days ago, how well ODU handles the pressure presented by VCU will likely be telling in the outcome tonight.

(12-11-2021 12:17 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  It's hard to put much emphasis on data when it is about taking certain games away from the equation, and then comparing them to the games that remain. Every team, and every game is different, and those differences matter in the overall data that shows were the team actually is. Simply taking away some of the poor results gives a skewed result of the data.

We agree on the turnovers (and general handling of the defensive pressure) being the key to the VCU game. I indicated a couple days ago, how well ODU handles the pressure presented by VCU will likely be telling in the outcome tonight.

Yeah, I know what you mean bro. Take away those three tournament games and take away the two others, that’s half the season.

(12-11-2021 01:28 PM)mac Wrote:  

(12-11-2021 12:17 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  It's hard to put much emphasis on data when it is about taking certain games away from the equation, and then comparing them to the games that remain. Every team, and every game is different, and those differences matter in the overall data that shows were the team actually is. Simply taking away some of the poor results gives a skewed result of the data.

We agree on the turnovers (and general handling of the defensive pressure) being the key to the VCU game. I indicated a couple days ago, how well ODU handles the pressure presented by VCU will likely be telling in the outcome tonight.

Yeah, I know what you mean bro. Take away those three tournament games and take away the two others, that’s half the season.

Whether the data is good or bad, it all counts.

I'm sure that Jeff has had the team working on how to get the ball into the front court against VCU's full court pressure. Hope that what he has gone over with them works, however it doesn't stop there. VCU traditionally puts hard pressure on the guy with the ball in the half court (frequent double teams) and plays the passing lanes which usually pushes the offense further out than they like it to be and causes them to be late getting into their half court sets. I'm guessing that we will know fairly early in the game how things will go as far as ODU being prepared for the "havoc" that VCU likes to play. I'm hopeful that ODU being the more experienced team will be telling in the game, along with them having a loud home crowd behind them.