Might just need another lawsuit against the NYT in addition to the one currently underway. They've earned it.

ACLU COMMENT ON FBI RAID OF PROJECT VERITAS FOUNDER

Quote:NOVEMBER 14, 2021

NEW YORK — The following is a statement from Brian Hauss, senior staff attorney with the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, in response to reports of an FBI raid on Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe:

“Project Veritas has engaged in disgraceful deceptions, and reasonable observers might not consider their activities to be journalism at all. Nevertheless, the precedent set in this case could have serious consequences for press freedom. Unless the government had good reason to believe that Project Veritas employees were directly involved in the criminal theft of the diary, it should not have subjected them to invasive searches and seizures. We urge the court to appoint a special master to ensure that law enforcement officers review only those materials that were lawfully seized and that are directly relevant to a legitimate criminal investigation.”

(11-12-2021 10:19 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  This video by O'Keefe after being subjected to the FBI raid explains their actions regarding the diary after 1st being contacted by tipsters and their subsequent actions.

1:55 - Identifies the steps they take when provided tips.
2:22 - Explains how PV came across the diary. Note that this was during the presidential race and could have been negative bombshell information against the Biden* campaign.
2:56 - Explains what PV did with the diary.
3:20 - Attempted to return the diary to Ashley Biden's attorney.
3:26 - PV gave the diary to law enforcement. He doesn't say which branch.

PV never published any information regarding the diary.

Im sure its not his daughters diary----its just more "Russian disinformation".

(11-12-2021 01:43 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is a huge scandal as far as im concerned

You have the FBI OBVIOUSLY colluding with the NYT to literally shake down someone they politically dont like.

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Oh, a government supported monopoly. I'm telling my senator and my congressman to stop funding the NYT as well as FBI. Any scandal by the swamp (Biden & Co.) I want leaked to Fox and CBS News, although Fox would probably do more with it than CBS.

(11-12-2021 01:59 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I'm still waiting for somebody, perhaps even a politician to explain to me WHY is this an FBI matter? Because of JB?

If this diary had been stolen, isn't that a matter for local law enforcement?

I would love to hear the explanation of this by somebody who is defending this over-reach by the FBI. Why are they involved?

I agree about the Patriot act. That nobody rose up to really protest loudly is strange. All I can chalk it up to is that back then, few could even imagine seeing the abuses we are seeing now from our government against the people. The old "it can't happen here" mentality.

I have to admit to being lured into supporting it by the flashy name, after all, who could disparage being patriotic?! At the time I thought it was an appropriate response. I now see how stupid I was. We opened the door and invited the monsters in.

(12-09-2021 07:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:59 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I'm still waiting for somebody, perhaps even a politician to explain to me WHY is this an FBI matter? Because of JB?

If this diary had been stolen, isn't that a matter for local law enforcement?

I would love to hear the explanation of this by somebody who is defending this over-reach by the FBI. Why are they involved?

I agree about the Patriot act. That nobody rose up to really protest loudly is strange. All I can chalk it up to is that back then, few could even imagine seeing the abuses we are seeing now from our government against the people. The old "it can't happen here" mentality.

I have to admit to being lured into supporting it by the flashy name, after all, who could disparage being patriotic?! At the time I thought it was an appropriate response. I now see how stupid I was. We opened the door and invited the monsters in.

I was actually skeptical at the time, my thought was we have to have a way to track down bin Laden but this is not going to end well for "we the people". Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

(12-09-2021 07:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:59 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I'm still waiting for somebody, perhaps even a politician to explain to me WHY is this an FBI matter? Because of JB?

If this diary had been stolen, isn't that a matter for local law enforcement?

I would love to hear the explanation of this by somebody who is defending this over-reach by the FBI. Why are they involved?

I agree about the Patriot act. That nobody rose up to really protest loudly is strange. All I can chalk it up to is that back then, few could even imagine seeing the abuses we are seeing now from our government against the people. The old "it can't happen here" mentality.

I have to admit to being lured into supporting it by the flashy name, after all, who could disparage being patriotic?! At the time I thought it was an appropriate response. I now see how stupid I was. We opened the door and invited the monsters in.

I was torn about it at the time as we needed tools to go after the terrorists but even then as I read it I was sensing that it could be aimed at any of us. I didn't think that it would happen so quickly, though.

The Special Master assigned to this has finally issued her report.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/...3.52.0.pdf

Not being a lawyer, this is all pretty confusing. This blog post goes into a little detail on what this means. Maybe one of our resident lawyers can shed a little more light? Does not appear to be any sort of "win" for PV or O'Keefe though...

Quote:She found 1,021 documents on James O’Keefe, Eric Cochran, and Spencer Meads’ phones that were responsive to the warrants in the case. Of those:

- She reviewed 17 for crime-fraud exception and after asking for submissions on 14 of them (which I noted here), she found that 10 were excepted
- She found 61 documents that Project Veritas successfully argued were not related to the search warrant

By my math, that leaves 953 files she recommends be turned over to investigators.

Much of the decision builds off the guilty pleas that Miles Kerlander and Aimee Harris entered into last August. Having already identified PV’s sources and established a crime had been committed, many of the questions regarding journalistic equities were far more limited.

Jones never mentioned that this case arose — and the first warrants against journalists obtained — under the Trump Administration. Though she does scoff at PV’s claims of malice.

Perhaps the most significant part of this ruling pertains to how she applies Bartnicki, which protects the publication of illegally obtained materials that the journalist had no role in obtaining. Not only does she except the case of PV, who are subjects of the investigation, but she seems to distinguish between investigative protection and criminal protection.

BARBARA JONES RULES PROJECT VERITAS WAS NOT ENGAGED IN JOURNALISM WHEN BROKERING ASHLEY BIDEN’S STOLEN DIARY

So, this confirms Biden* showered with his daughter.....

Question: Doesn't every state have their own Bureau of Investigations so why do we need a Federal Bureau of Intimidation? (play on words)

Discard the federal one and go with the state one. Or no?

Yeah Ms. Jones isn't a liberal democrat at all. She was appointed by Slick Willie to the US District Court for the Southern District of New York and has ties to everyone's favorite AG Latitia James.

(11-12-2021 12:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 11:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 11:31 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  The GOP as currently constructed won’t do it. Heck, many of them were in on the IC and FBI insurrection against a sitting President.
We have to literally deconstruct the entire Intelligence Community and the FBI but to do it the people that would tear it all down and build it back up, I would assume they cannot ‘show their hand’ beforehand because the IC is a dangerous entity

Right. And that's my point about citizens needing to blast their GOP reps consistently and fervorishly demanding that they dismantle OR ELSE.

The damn patRIOT act was a major mistake. It served to consolidate power and to remove civil rights and individual liberties from the American people on a grand scale. We are now seeing what happens when the power structure that it created falls into the wrong hands.

You can argue about the Patriot Act, but this FBI has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. They are just a bunch of lawless Nazi partisans.

(11-11-2021 11:23 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  The FBI is beyond repair.

The Constitution never mandated that the FBI be created.

(03-21-2023 10:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 11:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 11:31 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  The GOP as currently constructed won’t do it. Heck, many of them were in on the IC and FBI insurrection against a sitting President.
We have to literally deconstruct the entire Intelligence Community and the FBI but to do it the people that would tear it all down and build it back up, I would assume they cannot ‘show their hand’ beforehand because the IC is a dangerous entity

Right. And that's my point about citizens needing to blast their GOP reps consistently and fervorishly demanding that they dismantle OR ELSE.

The damn patRIOT act was a major mistake. It served to consolidate power and to remove civil rights and individual liberties from the American people on a grand scale. We are now seeing what happens when the power structure that it created falls into the wrong hands.

You can argue about the Patriot Act, but this FBI has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. They are just a bunch of lawless Nazi partisans.

You are correct, as usual.

(03-22-2023 05:31 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 11:23 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  The FBI is beyond repair.

The Constitution never mandated that the FBI be created.

Not a great argument. None of the alphabet agencies were mandated by the constitution.

(03-22-2023 05:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 05:31 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 11:23 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  The FBI is beyond repair.

The Constitution never mandated that the FBI be created.

Not a great argument. None of the alphabet agencies were mandated by the constitution.

For once, we're in agreement. It also didn't even provide for a standing army to defend our country, among many other things.

(03-21-2023 05:01 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Question: Doesn't every state have their own Bureau of Investigations so why do we need a Federal Bureau of Intimidation? (play on words)

Discard the federal one and go with the state one. Or no?

There is a federal criminal code of federal laws that they enforce. State agencies enforce state law.

10th Amendment???
Supremacy Clause...Article VI, Paragraph 2???