(11-05-2021 09:20 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Yay 14 team leagues.

Whatever The Mouse wants, The Mouse gets.

(11-05-2021 09:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:08 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 08:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 08:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree if MTSU would be an ideal replacement if Memphis bolts.

I'm sorry, I know this is what a lot of Memphis fans assume but this is like the Miami Redhawks saying "we're an ideal replacement for Cincinnati because we're in the same-ish market.

It's way too simplistic a way to look at things.

If the plan is "Hang on in CUSA" then do it. But if this is what MTSU is thinking then I'm all for the 15 year GOR or a 10 year massive exit penalty.

There is basically no way the AAC ever offers MTSU an invite. Middle knows this and that is one reason, among many, it desires MAC membership.

As Frank has noted, and effectively explained, the AAC has made clear with this latest invite of six universities it wants to be a league of with members primarily located in cities (assuming it cannot lure MWC members). That gives the American an identity of sorts and an "institutional fit" element. MTSU (and I attended) does not fit that model.

MTSU is well down their list, but they are officially in the Nashville metro area.

Again, trading Memphis for Nashville seems to be the AAC big market strategy. Another one I would think would be Northern IL. Much like Atanta with Ga State, After that, not really sure what the large FBS markets are left. Then again, that would require teams to leave the AAC, Not seeing that happen any time soon.

GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. AAC is not realistic for either in this pair. Realistically, it’s between the MAC and potentially the SBC in a couple years. That’s simply not enough insurance for MTSU and WKU. If ESPN is bumping the per team payout to the MAC to 80-90% of the SBC payout after 5 years, I’d make the move now. 14 teams is the best model. It creates geographically tight divisions and limits cross division travel.

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. ...

It's true that GSU is in Atlanta while Mufreesboro is near Nashville. But half an hour from downtown Nashville is not that big a difference.

If being in the shadow of NFL franchises and P5 schools are roughly similar impacts, I guess you could argue that Atlanta being a substantially bigger media market would be the tipping point between the two.

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. AAC is not realistic for either in this pair. Realistically, it’s between the MAC and potentially the SBC in a couple years. That’s simply not enough insurance for MTSU and WKU. If ESPN is bumping the per team payout to the MAC to 80-90% of the SBC payout after 5 years, I’d make the move now. 14 teams is the best model. It creates geographically tight divisions and limits cross division travel.

Pretty sure the MAC payout is more then the SBC payout....

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(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. AAC is not realistic for either in this pair. Realistically, it’s between the MAC and potentially the SBC in a couple years. That’s simply not enough insurance for MTSU and WKU. If ESPN is bumping the per team payout to the MAC to 80-90% of the SBC payout after 5 years, I’d make the move now. 14 teams is the best model. It creates geographically tight divisions and limits cross division travel.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the MAC payouts are already on par with the SBC. It's now about 2.5 million a year per team.

(11-05-2021 10:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. AAC is not realistic for either in this pair. Realistically, it’s between the MAC and potentially the SBC in a couple years. That’s simply not enough insurance for MTSU and WKU. If ESPN is bumping the per team payout to the MAC to 80-90% of the SBC payout after 5 years, I’d make the move now. 14 teams is the best model. It creates geographically tight divisions and limits cross division travel.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the MAC payouts are already on par with the SBC. It's now about 2.5 million a year per team.

Right now the MAC is getting about 800k from TV revenue and SBC is getting 400k. What the SBC's deal will be going forward is just internet talk. There is nothing authoritative on that. Not sure what the total conference distributions are (including NCAA basketball credits and other money).

(11-05-2021 09:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. ...

It's true that GSU is in Atlanta while Mufreesboro is near Nashville. But half an hour from downtown Nashville is not that big a difference.

If being in the shadow of NFL franchises and P5 schools are roughly similar impacts, I guess you could argue that Atlanta being a substantially bigger media market would be the tipping point between the two.

Both look similar to the 6 the AAC just took. I’d say if Memphis does leave the AAC then I can imagine GSU is on the shortlist but there’s a rumor on our board that the GSU administration chose not to pursue an AAC invite rather stay in the SBC at this time. Not sure what that could mean long term if true.

(11-05-2021 09:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. ...

It's true that GSU is in Atlanta while Mufreesboro is near Nashville. But half an hour from downtown Nashville is not that big a difference.

If being in the shadow of NFL franchises and P5 schools are roughly similar impacts, I guess you could argue that Atlanta being a substantially bigger media market would be the tipping point between the two.

Bigger airport, too. That's important. Just ask clt.

Stick the fork in it. Both schools will turn the invite and stay with CUSA. MAC have been the worst G5 conference in football.

(11-05-2021 09:20 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Yay 14 team leagues.

14 team leagues with divisions make a lot of sense for football. Get in your division 3 home and 3 away games. And then cross division 1 home and 1 away. So 1 road trip longer distance....

For basketball if you go 20 games it's easy too- 6 home/6 away in division, and then 4 home/4 away out of division. If you have travel partners only 2 weekends longer distance.

And other sports- you wouldn't have to travel much to the other division at all regular season....

Looks like the Toledo Blade reporter is correct, Detroit News reporter wrong.

WKU and MTSU to MAC.

(11-05-2021 01:42 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Looks like the Toledo Blade reporter is correct, Detroit News reporter wrong.

WKU and MTSU to MAC.

Is there a confirmation anywhere?

(11-05-2021 08:30 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Everyone - the fact that the MAC presidents are meeting means that (a) WKU and MTSU have already stated that they will accept an invitation to the MAC and (b) the MAC leadership has ironed out the details and recommended that the invitations be sent to those schools.

This presidential meeting never occurs in the first place if there's a chance that WKU and MTSU either aren't invited or would turn down an invitation. Neither side (neither the MAC nor WKU/MTSU) would ever expose themselves to a public negative outcome.

I would agree for most part except PAC 12 publicly declined OU and OkSt in 2011.

(11-05-2021 10:08 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. ...

It's true that GSU is in Atlanta while Mufreesboro is near Nashville. But half an hour from downtown Nashville is not that big a difference.

If being in the shadow of NFL franchises and P5 schools are roughly similar impacts, I guess you could argue that Atlanta being a substantially bigger media market would be the tipping point between the two.

Both look similar to the 6 the AAC just took. I’d say if Memphis does leave the AAC then I can imagine GSU is on the shortlist but there’s a rumor on our board that the GSU administration chose not to pursue an AAC invite rather stay in the SBC at this time. Not sure what that could mean long term if true.

Wouldn't ESPN discourage a move of GSU to the AAC? They'd just be going from one ESPN-owned conference to another.

(11-05-2021 01:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 10:08 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. ...

It's true that GSU is in Atlanta while Mufreesboro is near Nashville. But half an hour from downtown Nashville is not that big a difference.

If being in the shadow of NFL franchises and P5 schools are roughly similar impacts, I guess you could argue that Atlanta being a substantially bigger media market would be the tipping point between the two.

Both look similar to the 6 the AAC just took. I’d say if Memphis does leave the AAC then I can imagine GSU is on the shortlist but there’s a rumor on our board that the GSU administration chose not to pursue an AAC invite rather stay in the SBC at this time. Not sure what that could mean long term if true.

Wouldn't ESPN discourage a move of GSU to the AAC? They'd just be going from one ESPN-owned conference to another.

If the MAC invitation is announced at the 100 Miles of Hate game tomorrow, then that would also be six of one, half a dozen of the other.

(11-05-2021 02:26 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 01:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 10:08 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  GSU fits the model better than MTSU for the AAC. ...

It's true that GSU is in Atlanta while Mufreesboro is near Nashville. But half an hour from downtown Nashville is not that big a difference.

If being in the shadow of NFL franchises and P5 schools are roughly similar impacts, I guess you could argue that Atlanta being a substantially bigger media market would be the tipping point between the two.

Both look similar to the 6 the AAC just took. I’d say if Memphis does leave the AAC then I can imagine GSU is on the shortlist but there’s a rumor on our board that the GSU administration chose not to pursue an AAC invite rather stay in the SBC at this time. Not sure what that could mean long term if true.

Wouldn't ESPN discourage a move of GSU to the AAC? They'd just be going from one ESPN-owned conference to another.

If the MAC invitation is announced at the 100 Miles of Hate game tomorrow, then that would also be six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I thought CUSA wasn't an ESPN property, and that's why they're being destroyed. I don't really follow the media stuff closely though.

(11-05-2021 02:35 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 02:26 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 01:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 10:08 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 09:57 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It's true that GSU is in Atlanta while Mufreesboro is near Nashville. But half an hour from downtown Nashville is not that big a difference.

If being in the shadow of NFL franchises and P5 schools are roughly similar impacts, I guess you could argue that Atlanta being a substantially bigger media market would be the tipping point between the two.

Both look similar to the 6 the AAC just took. I’d say if Memphis does leave the AAC then I can imagine GSU is on the shortlist but there’s a rumor on our board that the GSU administration chose not to pursue an AAC invite rather stay in the SBC at this time. Not sure what that could mean long term if true.

Wouldn't ESPN discourage a move of GSU to the AAC? They'd just be going from one ESPN-owned conference to another.

If the MAC invitation is announced at the 100 Miles of Hate game tomorrow, then that would also be six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I thought CUSA wasn't an ESPN property, and that's why they're being destroyed. I don't really follow the media stuff closely though.

CUSA does have ESPN as part of the the TV package. They are basically with ESPN 3 and ESPN+.

https://dentonrc.com/sports/c-usa-adds-t...8b7f3.html

Kinda of surprised CUSA announcing ahead of the MAC. When was this president meeting to happen? Seems like the news would ave been released or rumored.

(11-05-2021 01:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Stick the fork in it. Both schools will turn the invite and stay with CUSA. MAC have been the worst G5 conference in football.

DavidSt,

Saw analysis — can't remember if it was on this board or another — that there was NO WAY Middle Tennessee or Western Kentucky would say "No Thanks" to an invitation to join from the Mid-American Conference.

Are you hearing from your sources that, in fact, both MTSU and WKU turned down an invite from the MAC?