(10-21-2021 09:26 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  Shame they didn't put the Charlotte and UNT logos side by side.

Over on the AAC board they are teaching the new members how to say and use P6. It is hilarious. Nothing says P6 like a team in a major city hosting an instate P5 team and not selling out their tiny stadium.

(10-21-2021 09:54 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:51 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:24 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:14 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Apparently the discussions between JMU, ODU, Marshall and Liberty are what is gumming up the works.

By going to 16, Sunbelt Conference would be creating a pathway to bring this to closure. And yes I know 16 is a lot.

Ga. State, Ga. Southern, Coastal, App, OD, JMU, Liberty, Marshall

S. Ala, Troy, S. Miss, La. Tech, ULL, ULM, Ark. State, Texas St.


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Liberty is not coming to the SBC. A Marshall poster posted that their university was broke in another thread, perhaps Liberty is greasing some palms? Otherwise I don't know why Marshall is still hesitant to join if the reports of SBC expanding to 14 were true.

Liberty is how you get a Power 5 equivalent program without getting an a actual Power 5 program. Their facilities and bank account far outweigh any of the current or proposed Sunbelt schools have.

Any poster who said they are broke has no idea what they are talking about….


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Sorry, I meant to say that a Marshall poster said that their university (Marshall) was broke. Not Liberty. Edited post to clear it up.

Marshall is not broke, that poster does not know what he is talking about. Do they want to save cost? Absolutely! But you don't commit to building a brand new 28 million baseball stadium and Basketball practice facility (Marshall part 18 million/City 10 million), Raise Assistant football coaches salaries and hire additional football administrators (1 million increase), and give your SOCCER coach as 245,000 pay raise all in the last one to two years if you are broke.

(10-21-2021 09:14 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Apparently the discussions between JMU, ODU, Marshall and Liberty are what is gumming up the works.

By going to 16, Sunbelt Conference would be creating a pathway to bring this to closure. And yes I know 16 is a lot.

Ga. State, Ga. Southern, Coastal, App, OD, JMU, Liberty, Marshall

S. Ala, Troy, S. Miss, La. Tech, ULL, ULM, Ark. State, Texas St.


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I don't hate this 16 at all. I mean I would hate the lack of cross-divisional games so we would need to go to 9 games to at least still play every team every 4 years. I wonder if ESPN would pay for this. I believe from a football perspective it really would challenge every other G5 for top spot. Basketball wouldn't be the best so 16 teams for 1 bid is quite a lot. I guess you could see it more like a conference championship game for the 1 bid and hope the overall profile goes up enough to get a 2nd bid. 10 to 11 of these teams play pretty good basketball. There are 2-3 who could be better if they just pushed a little more money and effort into it. Would be a REALLY good baseball and softball league though.

Texas State, La Tech, ULM, and Louisiana
Arkansas State, Southern Miss, South Alabama, Troy
GaSt, GaSo, Coastal, App State
Marshall, Liberty, ODU, and JMU

(10-21-2021 10:01 AM)slycat Wrote:  Over on the AAC board they are teaching the new members how to say and use P6. It is hilarious. Nothing says P6 like a team in a major city hosting an instate P5 team and not selling out their tiny stadium.

Memphis, SMU, and ECU if they figure their crap out should dominate football in that league.

Rice fan here, I think arkst said it best that the conferences are aligning with like-minded institutions. Rice would rather play Navy, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa rather than LaTech, WKU, and ODU. Just like USM would rather play folks in the SunBelt and Marshall playing ODU, WKU, etc. rather than Rice.

I don’t think it’s one conference being better than the other, it’s realigning for common interests. I think all the teams leaving CUSA will benefit greatly from the conference changes.

(10-21-2021 07:56 AM)slycat Wrote:  It could delayed if Marshall waits for their new President

Dr Gilbert doesn't actually leave office until July 2022. The new selected president might want to hear some input but I doubt he has any pull on what Marshall actually does, not for at least another 9 months from now.

7 mil a year media deal vs the other conferences... Seems like a win to me.

(10-21-2021 10:07 AM)WIowl Wrote:  Rice fan here, I think arkst said it best that the conferences are aligning with like-minded institutions. Rice would rather play Navy, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa rather than LaTech, WKU, and ODU. Just like USM would rather play folks in the SunBelt and Marshall playing ODU, WKU, etc. rather than Rice.

I don’t think it’s one conference being better than the other, it’s realigning for common interests. I think all the teams leaving CUSA will benefit greatly from the conference changes.

. . . and the teams that are left? Do they “benefit greatly?”

(10-21-2021 10:13 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 07:56 AM)slycat Wrote:  It could delayed if Marshall waits for their new President

Dr Gilbert doesn't actually leave office until July 2022. The new selected president might want to hear some input but I doubt he has any pull on what Marshall actually does, not for at least another 9 months from now.

Dr. Gilbert will be on the payroll until July, 2022. The new president will be selected on October 28, 2021. His/Her official start date will be determined by their schedule. In addition, there will be a transition team formed to facilitate this change. The NEW president will have input (keyword is input) on where we go, I can guarantee you this. The below link validates what I am saying and know.

https://www.marshall.edu/presidential-se...h-process/

(10-21-2021 10:13 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  7 mil a year media deal vs the other conferences... Seems like a win to me.

Too bad those 6 won't ever see 7 mil a year. They'll get a small cut of that. A very small cut.

(10-21-2021 10:22 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 10:13 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  7 mil a year media deal vs the other conferences... Seems like a win to me.

Too bad those 6 won't ever see 7 mil a year. They'll get a small cut of that. A very small cut.

i think once the exit fee $$ runs out, the leftover 8 won't see $7MM either.

(10-21-2021 10:07 AM)WIowl Wrote:  Rice fan here, I think arkst said it best that the conferences are aligning with like-minded institutions. Rice would rather play Navy, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa rather than LaTech, WKU, and ODU. Just like USM would rather play folks in the SunBelt and Marshall playing ODU, WKU, etc. rather than Rice.

I don’t think it’s one conference being better than the other, it’s realigning for common interests. I think all the teams leaving CUSA will benefit greatly from the conference changes.

The new AAC took media markets and Texas schools. They took every Texas school for one reason, so the MWC couldn't get them.

Here is what the AAC is getting since the last realignment in football:

N Texas (37-55)
Charlotte (22-42)
UTSA (26-46)
Rice (24-57)
FAU (31-34)
UAB 6-6 2014, ooo no teams in 2015 or 2016 over all since then (31-18)

This had nothing to do with "Like Minded School".

The 6 schools over all are 177-258 since 2014.

After these moves (assuming USM, Marshall, ODU and JMU to the SBC) are all made the SBC is going to end up the better football conference and possibly baseball than the AAC. Aside from Memphis I think basketball is a wash. Maybe these new 6 members will really surprise me though.

If not for the fact that we can't walk away from the exit fees, left behind NCAA revenue and TV deal I'd honestly rather ECU be in the Sunbelt. The big thing for the left behind AAC 8 is that we'll get a bigger TV share until the deal expires. $6-7M for the 8 left behinds until the end of the deal. I think the 6 new members will get half of that. All that makes things make no sense for ECU to leave for now. When the AAC tv deal expires I think the SBC will be in the best position of all the G5. The trajectory is clearly up for the SBC. We'll see what happens in about 8-10 years. ECU would culturally fit here a LOT better. Maybe the SBC can trade GSU for ECU or expand by 2 to get to 16.

(10-21-2021 10:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  After these moves (assuming USM, Marshall, ODU and JMU to the SBC) are all made the SBC is going to end up the better football conference and possibly baseball than the AAC. Aside from Memphis I think basketball is a wash. Maybe these new 6 members will really surprise me though.

If not for the fact that we can't walk away from the exit fees, left behind NCAA revenue and TV deal I'd honestly rather ECU be in the Sunbelt. The big thing for the left behind AAC 8 is that we'll get a bigger TV share until the deal expires. $6-7M for the 8 left behinds until the end of the deal. I think the 6 new members will get half of that. All that makes things make no sense for ECU to leave for now. When the AAC tv deal expires I think the SBC will be in the best position of all the G5. The trajectory is clearly up for the SBC. We'll see what happens in about 8-10 years. ECU would culturally fit here a LOT better. Maybe the SBC can trade GSU for ECU or expand by 2 to get to 16.

ECU made their bed and screwed CUSA on their way out. ECU is still searching for that 1990 Big East invite so many have told us about since the beginning of CUSA 2.0. The invite that went to VA Tech.

I quite frankly might need 7 million dollars so I could drink away knowing what kind of schools and the horrible football most are bringing. FAU attendance has always sucked and Charlotte at 4-2 can't even fill a 15K seat stadium. N Texas is just garbage with a simi new stadium, Rice well does it even cook anymore. The AAC basically took every program CUSA schools that care, away. Instead of building with schools that actually produce.

Why would the SB in a few years want to trade for ECU.

(10-21-2021 10:52 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 10:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  After these moves (assuming USM, Marshall, ODU and JMU to the SBC) are all made the SBC is going to end up the better football conference and possibly baseball than the AAC. Aside from Memphis I think basketball is a wash. Maybe these new 6 members will really surprise me though.

If not for the fact that we can't walk away from the exit fees, left behind NCAA revenue and TV deal I'd honestly rather ECU be in the Sunbelt. The big thing for the left behind AAC 8 is that we'll get a bigger TV share until the deal expires. $6-7M for the 8 left behinds until the end of the deal. I think the 6 new members will get half of that. All that makes things make no sense for ECU to leave for now. When the AAC tv deal expires I think the SBC will be in the best position of all the G5. The trajectory is clearly up for the SBC. We'll see what happens in about 8-10 years. ECU would culturally fit here a LOT better. Maybe the SBC can trade GSU for ECU or expand by 2 to get to 16.

ECU made their bed and screwed CUSA on their way out. ECU is still searching for that 1990 Big East invite so many have told us about since the beginning of CUSA 2.0. The invite that went to VA Tech.

I quite frankly might need 7 million dollars so I could drink away knowing what kind of schools and the horrible football most are bringing. FAU attendance has always sucked and Charlotte at 4-2 can't even fill a 15K seat stadium. N Texas is just garbage with a simi new stadium, Rice well does it even cook anymore. The AAC basically took every program CUSA schools that care, away. Instead of building with schools that actually produce.

Why would the SB in a few years want to trade for ECU.

First off back in 2013 NOBODY from CUSA was going to turn down an Big East/AAC invite. That's clear to anybody that had a funtional brain back then. I've also made it clear that I'm not a fan of how the AAC just expanded but it is what it is at this point. We'll just have to make the best of it. I'm hoping it works out and these 6 schools perform better than they have over the past 10 years or so.

Bottom line is there's too much money to walk away from between now and 2030. Maybe as it gets closer and more movement starts up it will make sense.

ECU could join the SBC tomorrow if we really wanted to. That's a simple fact. Whether you like it or not is another matter.

(10-21-2021 10:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  After these moves (assuming USM, Marshall, ODU and JMU to the SBC) are all made the SBC is going to end up the better football conference and possibly baseball than the AAC. Aside from Memphis I think basketball is a wash. Maybe these new 6 members will really surprise me though.

If not for the fact that we can't walk away from the exit fees, left behind NCAA revenue and TV deal I'd honestly rather ECU be in the Sunbelt. The big thing for the left behind AAC 8 is that we'll get a bigger TV share until the deal expires. $6-7M for the 8 left behinds until the end of the deal. I think the 6 new members will get half of that. All that makes things make no sense for ECU to leave for now. When the AAC tv deal expires I think the SBC will be in the best position of all the G5. The trajectory is clearly up for the SBC. We'll see what happens in about 8-10 years. ECU would culturally fit here a LOT better. Maybe the SBC can trade GSU for ECU or expand by 2 to get to 16.

Done, we’d take that deal in a fricken heartbeat.

(10-21-2021 11:05 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 10:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  After these moves (assuming USM, Marshall, ODU and JMU to the SBC) are all made the SBC is going to end up the better football conference and possibly baseball than the AAC. Aside from Memphis I think basketball is a wash. Maybe these new 6 members will really surprise me though.

If not for the fact that we can't walk away from the exit fees, left behind NCAA revenue and TV deal I'd honestly rather ECU be in the Sunbelt. The big thing for the left behind AAC 8 is that we'll get a bigger TV share until the deal expires. $6-7M for the 8 left behinds until the end of the deal. I think the 6 new members will get half of that. All that makes things make no sense for ECU to leave for now. When the AAC tv deal expires I think the SBC will be in the best position of all the G5. The trajectory is clearly up for the SBC. We'll see what happens in about 8-10 years. ECU would culturally fit here a LOT better. Maybe the SBC can trade GSU for ECU or expand by 2 to get to 16.

Done, we’d take that deal in a fricken heartbeat.

Another option at that point would be to take ECU and another to get to 16. UTSA? LA Tech? USF? Who knows what it's going to look like in 10 years. I'd put money on the SBC looking almost identical to what it looks like now + USM, Marshall, ODU and JMU. The AAC will probably look different again. I'm at the point where I'm tired of chasing a dragon that isn't there. It's been a long road of independence, CUSA1, 2, 3, AAC1, AAC2.... up until the past 10 years or whatever we've never had FBS programs regionally that would actually want to align with us. Now we do with ODU, App, CCU, GSU, GS, etc. If the SBC really does add 4 you've basically surrounded us.

Side note... IMHO Liberty would be the better add than JMU or ODU. BUT.... I totally understand the fact that a college president considers them toxic.

Oh yeah, we would trade Gast for ECU right now

(10-21-2021 10:05 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:14 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Apparently the discussions between JMU, ODU, Marshall and Liberty are what is gumming up the works.

By going to 16, Sunbelt Conference would be creating a pathway to bring this to closure. And yes I know 16 is a lot.

Ga. State, Ga. Southern, Coastal, App, OD, JMU, Liberty, Marshall

S. Ala, Troy, S. Miss, La. Tech, ULL, ULM, Ark. State, Texas St.


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I don't hate this 16 at all. I mean I would hate the lack of cross-divisional games so we would need to go to 9 games to at least still play every team every 4 years. I wonder if ESPN would pay for this. I believe from a football perspective it really would challenge every other G5 for top spot. Basketball wouldn't be the best so 16 teams for 1 bid is quite a lot. I guess you could see it more like a conference championship game for the 1 bid and hope the overall profile goes up enough to get a 2nd bid. 10 to 11 of these teams play pretty good basketball. There are 2-3 who could be better if they just pushed a little more money and effort into it. Would be a REALLY good baseball and softball league though.

Texas State, La Tech, ULM, and Louisiana
Arkansas State, Southern Miss, South Alabama, Troy
GaSt, GaSo, Coastal, App State
Marshall, Liberty, ODU, and JMU

Isn't that pretty close to the East Coast league that some of you wanted?

Pod system. ESPN would get some good weeknight games out of that.

Takes care of LA Tech. Funny they could be in a pod with ULM and Louisiana.

ESPN is already paying Liberty, so might as well put them in the league.