(10-21-2021 10:28 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 10:26 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:06 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:03 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  Directional schools have a huge issue of not really being able to market on a statewide basis. Georgia Southern, for instance, has a hard time marketing in Atlanta and farther north. It’s an issue of the name of your school being a huge deterrent to a massive brand. MTSU is in a bad place where the university name is super regional and long while having an unrecognizable mascot as a blue raider. It’s just hard to make people from other parts of Tennessee, let alone nationally, care about the brand unless they’re alumni.

Interesting thought experiment…how do we rename/rebrand poorly named directional and regional schools in a way that doesn’t infringe upon any other current university’s trademarks? ULL rebranding as Louisiana is an absolute home run but could it be done elsewhere?


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Texas St rebranding from Southwest Texas St was huge. As bad as football has been I think it was still a catalyst to do better and grow the academics side as well.

You telling me the other universities in Texas along with the Texas State Legislature didn't convene and tell you guys you couldn't do that? How refreshing.

I mean it wasn't without it's hiccups. I think UNT owned the "rights" to the name and didn't use it. And SHSU, Lamar, and I think Sul Ross St at the time tried to block because they were/are under the Texas State University System. We had to add to be Texas State University - San Marcos for a like a decade and we finally dropped the - San Marcos. There had been rumors of Texas State University - Huntsville etc. Luckily SHSU hated that and it ended going fill Cal State system. And Texas Southern marched to Austin to block us being called TSU.

Just load up Marshal, JMU, Jacksonville state, So.miss, MTSU, WKU and call it a conference

East
-JMU
-Marshall
-APP
-CCU
-Gstate
-Gsouthern
-Troy
-Jacksonville state

West
-WKU
-MTSU
-stAte
-USA
-ULL
-ULM
-Texas State
-southern miss

now This is a CONFERENCE

The WKU/MTSU MAC talk reminds me:

Back when both were in the Sun Belt, there was a heavy rumor that both were going to the MAC. WKU people thought it was absolutely a done deal.

There was only one problem. Neither school could get enough votes to get an invite.

I wonder if anything has changed for the MAC.

(10-21-2021 10:26 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:06 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:03 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  Directional schools have a huge issue of not really being able to market on a statewide basis. Georgia Southern, for instance, has a hard time marketing in Atlanta and farther north. It’s an issue of the name of your school being a huge deterrent to a massive brand. MTSU is in a bad place where the university name is super regional and long while having an unrecognizable mascot as a blue raider. It’s just hard to make people from other parts of Tennessee, let alone nationally, care about the brand unless they’re alumni.

Interesting thought experiment…how do we rename/rebrand poorly named directional and regional schools in a way that doesn’t infringe upon any other current university’s trademarks? ULL rebranding as Louisiana is an absolute home run but could it be done elsewhere?


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Texas St rebranding from Southwest Texas St was huge. As bad as football has been I think it was still a catalyst to do better and grow the academics side as well.

I can see this happening. There is a hierarchy to names as far as potential ceilings are concerned. There's a real power behind being associated with certain names. it's why it takes tooth and nail to get enough state-level political pulls to convince the decision makers. For Georgia State, the name change was only granted, after powerful politicians telling GSU not to start football few decades ago, and not even think about attempting to compete with that in-town public university few miles away.

Tier 1
University of [your state]

Tier 2
[your state] Tech
[your state] State
[your state] A&M

Tier 3
University of [a large city]
[directional] University

Tier 4
[City] Tech
[City] College

(of course, there are some exceptions here and there)

(10-21-2021 11:15 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  The WKU/MTSU MAC talk reminds me:

Back when both were in the Sun Belt, there was a heavy rumor that both were going to the MAC. WKU people thought it was absolutely a done deal.

There was only one problem. Neither school could get enough votes to get an invite.

I wonder if anything has changed for the MAC.

The question is who is ESPN going to pay the most money to expand? The MAC or the SBC?

Could the MAC w/ ESPN put something on the table Marshall and WKU can't refuse?

There is also travel costs to consider here and the ability to win in the MAC East vs. a loaded SBC East.

(10-21-2021 10:32 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:03 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  Directional schools have a huge issue of not really being able to market on a statewide basis. Georgia Southern, for instance, has a hard time marketing in Atlanta and farther north. It’s an issue of the name of your school being a huge deterrent to a massive brand. MTSU is in a bad place where the university name is super regional and long while having an unrecognizable mascot as a blue raider. It’s just hard to make people from other parts of Tennessee, let alone nationally, care about the brand unless they’re alumni.

The University of San Marcos Bobcats
Monroe State University Warhawks
The University of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Jonesboro University Red Wolves
University of Hattiesburg Golden Eagles*
Mobile University (not to be confused with the University of Mobile) Jaguars
Troy University Trojans
Statesboro University Eagles
The University of Atlanta Panthers
Conway State University Chanticleers
Appalachian State University Mountaineers
Marshall University Thundering Herd*
James Madison University*
Old Dominion University*
Bowling Green of Kentucky State University* (BGKSU) Hilltoppers.

Does that conference sound better lol? No more directional schools.

Georgia Southern becomes Georgia A&M allowing it to brand heavily on its blue blood culture and founding as First District A&M.
Coastal Carolina stays the same or goes to Myrtle Beach University, as the beach branding brings in people that want that lifestyle, and South Carolina is a coastal state.
South Alabama becomes the University of Mobile, as Mobile is a well recognized city in Alabama known for quite a few cultural things and the beach.
ULL becomes University of Louisiana.
ULM I don’t know enough about to rebrand.

(10-21-2021 09:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Marshall to MAC? Remarrying each other after divorcing each other twice?

That would be the most trailer park **** of all time.

(10-21-2021 11:08 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 11:01 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Marshall would NEVER choose the MAC over the SBC.

You would rather host Arkansas St for the SBC conference championship in Huntington rather than play WMU in Detroit in front of 45,000?

OK.

Been there.... Done that..... Bought the TShirt.... Own the factory !

If it wasn't for Denny Crum, Marshall would have never set foot back in the MAC.

(10-21-2021 12:13 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 10:32 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:03 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  Directional schools have a huge issue of not really being able to market on a statewide basis. Georgia Southern, for instance, has a hard time marketing in Atlanta and farther north. It’s an issue of the name of your school being a huge deterrent to a massive brand. MTSU is in a bad place where the university name is super regional and long while having an unrecognizable mascot as a blue raider. It’s just hard to make people from other parts of Tennessee, let alone nationally, care about the brand unless they’re alumni.

The University of San Marcos Bobcats
Monroe State University Warhawks
The University of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Jonesboro University Red Wolves
University of Hattiesburg Golden Eagles*
Mobile University (not to be confused with the University of Mobile) Jaguars
Troy University Trojans
Statesboro University Eagles
The University of Atlanta Panthers
Conway State University Chanticleers
Appalachian State University Mountaineers
Marshall University Thundering Herd*
James Madison University*
Old Dominion University*
Bowling Green of Kentucky State University* (BGKSU) Hilltoppers.

Does that conference sound better lol? No more directional schools.

Georgia Southern becomes Georgia A&M allowing it to brand heavily on its blue blood culture and founding as First District A&M.
Coastal Carolina stays the same or goes to Myrtle Beach University, as the beach branding brings in people that want that lifestyle, and South Carolina is a coastal state.
South Alabama becomes the University of Mobile, as Mobile is a well recognized city in Alabama known for quite a few cultural things and the beach.
ULL becomes University of Louisiana.
ULM I don’t know enough about to rebrand.

South Alabama couldn't use the U. of Mobile if they wanted because that is a real university that already exists. They could be The University of the Gulf Coast lol.

(10-21-2021 11:53 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 11:15 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  The WKU/MTSU MAC talk reminds me:

Back when both were in the Sun Belt, there was a heavy rumor that both were going to the MAC. WKU people thought it was absolutely a done deal.

There was only one problem. Neither school could get enough votes to get an invite.

I wonder if anything has changed for the MAC.

The question is who is ESPN going to pay the most money to expand? The MAC or the SBC?

Could the MAC w/ ESPN put something on the table Marshall and WKU can't refuse?

There is also travel costs to consider here and the ability to win in the MAC East vs. a loaded SBC East.

What is MAC viewership on linear networks compared to the Sun Belt?

(10-21-2021 12:17 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:13 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 10:32 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 09:03 AM)lelandhardy Wrote:  Directional schools have a huge issue of not really being able to market on a statewide basis. Georgia Southern, for instance, has a hard time marketing in Atlanta and farther north. It’s an issue of the name of your school being a huge deterrent to a massive brand. MTSU is in a bad place where the university name is super regional and long while having an unrecognizable mascot as a blue raider. It’s just hard to make people from other parts of Tennessee, let alone nationally, care about the brand unless they’re alumni.

The University of San Marcos Bobcats
Monroe State University Warhawks
The University of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Jonesboro University Red Wolves
University of Hattiesburg Golden Eagles*
Mobile University (not to be confused with the University of Mobile) Jaguars
Troy University Trojans
Statesboro University Eagles
The University of Atlanta Panthers
Conway State University Chanticleers
Appalachian State University Mountaineers
Marshall University Thundering Herd*
James Madison University*
Old Dominion University*
Bowling Green of Kentucky State University* (BGKSU) Hilltoppers.

Does that conference sound better lol? No more directional schools.

Georgia Southern becomes Georgia A&M allowing it to brand heavily on its blue blood culture and founding as First District A&M.
Coastal Carolina stays the same or goes to Myrtle Beach University, as the beach branding brings in people that want that lifestyle, and South Carolina is a coastal state.
South Alabama becomes the University of Mobile, as Mobile is a well recognized city in Alabama known for quite a few cultural things and the beach.
ULL becomes University of Louisiana.
ULM I don’t know enough about to rebrand.

South Alabama couldn't use the U. of Mobile if they wanted because that is a real university that already exists. They could be The University of the Gulf Coast lol.

Mobile is the oldest city in Alabama.

So I guess we could brand ourselves Ol' Bama.

Sit back and watch the lawsuits roll in as heads exploded in Tuscaloosa.

(10-21-2021 12:23 PM)Dedsquirrl Wrote:  Mobile is the oldest city in Alabama.

So I guess we could brand ourselves Ol' Bama.

Sit back and watch the lawsuits roll in as heads exploded in Tuscaloosa.

Do it.

(10-21-2021 11:02 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  Middle Tennessee really should change their name to The University of Nashville. That in itself would be instant money from a marketing standpoint.

But they aren't in Nashville, they're 45 mins southeast of it, in a different city and county. Also I believe a local prep school (Montgomery Bell Academy) still has the rights to the name. Their BoT is incorporated as "The Board of Trustees of the University of Nashville."

(10-21-2021 04:25 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  If MSTSU & WK leave for the MAC, would ODU & JMU be more favorable to the MAC? And Marshall, maybe?

Naw.

(10-21-2021 09:06 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 07:54 AM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  “As the largest university in the booming Metro Nashville MSA, the 28th largest TV market in the country, we offer attractive audience demographics and a prime location. All of these factors are significant advantages as we engage C-USA partners and colleagues in these discussions.”

Why do people keep saying this? Just because MTSU is near Nashville doesn't mean the people of Nashville are fans. It just doesn't work that way.

It makes about as much sense as FAU carrying Miami. Its about growth potential more than current results.

Vandy in the SEC in Nashville doesn't have any fans much less MTSU. Its all the mustard throwing orange in Nashvegas.

(10-21-2021 11:15 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  The WKU/MTSU MAC talk reminds me:

Back when both were in the Sun Belt, there was a heavy rumor that both were going to the MAC. WKU people thought it was absolutely a done deal.

There was only one problem. Neither school could get enough votes to get an invite.

I wonder if anything has changed for the MAC.

We are begging the MAC at this point to let us in, we do not want to be in CUSA with EKU, Kennesaw St, Mercer and Jax. st.

(10-21-2021 12:52 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 11:15 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  The WKU/MTSU MAC talk reminds me:

Back when both were in the Sun Belt, there was a heavy rumor that both were going to the MAC. WKU people thought it was absolutely a done deal.

There was only one problem. Neither school could get enough votes to get an invite.

I wonder if anything has changed for the MAC.

We are begging the MAC at this point to let us in, we do not want to be in CUSA with EKU, Kennesaw St, Mercer and Jax. st.

Should have never left the Belt!

Georgia Southern actually us a higher percentage of its student body as A&M majors than Texas A&M. I like the idea of Gulf Coast University for South Alabama as well. Or be First Alabama University to really piss them off.

(10-21-2021 11:15 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  The WKU/MTSU MAC talk reminds me:

Back when both were in the Sun Belt, there was a heavy rumor that both were going to the MAC. WKU people thought it was absolutely a done deal.

There was only one problem. Neither school could get enough votes to get an invite.

I wonder if anything has changed for the MAC.

If I had to guess, I think ESPN is going to "make them an offer they can't refuse" this time. And yes, I think WKU fell 1 vote shy last time.

(10-21-2021 12:59 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 12:52 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-21-2021 11:15 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  The WKU/MTSU MAC talk reminds me:

Back when both were in the Sun Belt, there was a heavy rumor that both were going to the MAC. WKU people thought it was absolutely a done deal.

There was only one problem. Neither school could get enough votes to get an invite.

I wonder if anything has changed for the MAC.

We are begging the MAC at this point to let us in, we do not want to be in CUSA with EKU, Kennesaw St, Mercer and Jax. st.

Should have never left the Belt!

Hindsight is 20/20. Our rival Middle had just left the year prior and we had (barely) made it to one bowl in 3 years of being eligible. Felt like the right move at the time, especially for hoops. If I could turn back time and make the call I would have stayed, but then you guys might not have invited Coastal if we were still there, so it turned out pretty well for the Belt. Nothing to be done about it now anyway, just keep playing ball wherever we land.

(10-21-2021 01:05 PM)lelandhardy Wrote:  Georgia Southern actually us a higher percentage of its student body as A&M majors than Texas A&M. I like the idea of Gulf Coast University for South Alabama as well. Or be First Alabama University to really piss them off.

...howza bout "THE Alabama University"... I'll allow it, if it would rile up the UAT folks...

I'd like for UAB to become The University of Birmingham... only have to worry about those limeys in the U.K. in regards to branding rights...