(10-18-2021 06:08 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Thamel: The expectation is that they will be accepted and the AAC will grow to a 14-team football league. (Also 14 teams in hoops.)


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Don’t get this at all for the AAC. Why go so hard on Texas? And 14 teams? No room for future expansion. Basketball quality also goes out the window.

This will throw a wrench into any MWC expansions plans if the CUSA schools to the AAC. Don't think any of the SBC TX programs would be considered for the MWC. It won't happen, but I wish the MWC would take UTEP. I have complete respect for UTEP but they are just so far out there and it's about to get a lot worse if this AAC expansion holds up.

The other thing this opens the door for is C-USA disintegrating. If they get down to 4 or less members, I think there is a chance they are done.
If UTEP and Texas State go to the MW, and the Sun Belt grabs Southern Miss, Marshall, and Western Kentucky to get to 12, C-USA would be down to 4 schools: FIU, LaTech, Old Dominion, and MTSU.

At that point, ODU and MTSU would likely be begging either the Sun Belt or MAC to let them in.

(10-18-2021 06:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so if this happens, what happens with CUSA? They would have left
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida International
Old Dominion
UTEP
La Tech
Southern MIss

Not a terrible set up if they don’t lose anyone to MWC or SBC.
Probably will lose some though.

Missouri State, Liberty, JMU, Sam Houston would honestly make the conference more competitive than before.

to me the 2 to watch out for major growth like UCF- Charlotte and UTSA. Those 2 programs are ones that I could see in 15-20 years being something else.

(10-18-2021 06:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so if this happens, what happens with CUSA? They would have left
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida International
Old Dominion
UTEP
La Tech
Southern MIss

The Sun Belt will pick two or so. The rest will be calling up other conference commissioners, looking for an off ramp.

I'm thinking New Mexico State, UMass, and Liberty are celebrating right now. Conference USA can't be that choosy in adding members, I wouldn't think.

(10-18-2021 06:11 PM)maccoog Wrote:  What is Thamel's track record? Going that big with those teams is questionable.

On conference realignment issues, Thamel is as reliable as anyone. He doesn’t speculate - he’s definitely reporting the plan. Now, maybe the plan will fall through for some other reason, but that’s not on his reporting.

(10-18-2021 06:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me the 2 to watch out for major growth like UCF- Charlotte and UTSA. Those 2 programs are ones that I could see in 15-20 years being something else.

Hell yeah! 15-20 years from now they could be good! Meanwhile for the next decade the TV deal probably just went down to like 2 million per school.

Not going to lie, I didn't see 14, but I think the resulting waves will be fascinating.

Assuming this is correct, the football divisions that would make the most sense assuming Navy wants to stay in the West would be:

East: Temple, Charlotte, East Carolina, South Florida, Florida Atlantic, Memphis, UAB
West: Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, North Texas, Rice, UTSA

C-USA would be down to eight: Florida International, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion, Southern Mississippi, Texas El Paso, and Western Kentucky. If the Sun Belt wanted two of the schools, Florida International gives them Florida and Miami, Old Dominion would give them Virginia/Tidewater, Middle Tennessee would give them Tennessee and be close to Nashville. I'd jump on FIU and either ODU or Middle Tennessee if I wanted to go to 12, if 14, take both and Western Kentucky. Could the MAC seek two of Marshall, Middle Tennessee, and Western Kentucky?

Chris vannini with the athletic confirming Thamel’s reports, adding aac looking to cutoff MWC’s interest in Texas

https://twitter.com/chrisvannini/status/...86624?s=21

(10-18-2021 06:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me the 2 to watch out for major growth like UCF- Charlotte and UTSA. Those 2 programs are ones that I could see in 15-20 years being something else.

Hell yeah! 15-20 years from now they could be good! Meanwhile for the next decade the TV deal probably just went down to like 2 million per school.

I don't think it's going to take that long even realistically. Those 2 will be programs that get an immediate boost. Also North Texas I think.

(10-18-2021 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me the 2 to watch out for major growth like UCF- Charlotte and UTSA. Those 2 programs are ones that I could see in 15-20 years being something else.

Hell yeah! 15-20 years from now they could be good! Meanwhile for the next decade the TV deal probably just went down to like 2 million per school.

I don't think it's going to take that long even realistically. Those 2 will be programs that get an immediate boost. Also North Texas I think.

Oh no, they for sure get an immediate boost, while the AAC makes what was already going to be a financial haircut into a financial head shaving.

(10-18-2021 06:23 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:08 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Thamel: The expectation is that they will be accepted and the AAC will grow to a 14-team football league. (Also 14 teams in hoops.)


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Don’t get this at all for the AAC. Why go so hard on Texas? And 14 teams? No room for future expansion. Basketball quality also goes out the window.

totally eliminates Texas as an option for the MWC. All that is left is Texas St and UTEP.

Maybe that is the point. To hurt both the MW and C-USA.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

I don't see this ending well.

And why would SMU go for this?

(10-18-2021 06:39 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me the 2 to watch out for major growth like UCF- Charlotte and UTSA. Those 2 programs are ones that I could see in 15-20 years being something else.

Hell yeah! 15-20 years from now they could be good! Meanwhile for the next decade the TV deal probably just went down to like 2 million per school.

I don't think it's going to take that long even realistically. Those 2 will be programs that get an immediate boost. Also North Texas I think.

Oh no, they for sure get an immediate boost, while the AAC makes what was already going to be a financial haircut into a financial head shaving.

That might have been the case no matter what.

I'd have to think C-USA invites New Mexico State. Easy add, pair them with UTEP.

I also expect they invite UMass for all sports, and when they say no, football only.

(10-18-2021 06:24 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:23 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Strategically, this hamstrings both the MW and C-USA. The MW would have to take UTEP and Texas State to get into Texas.

Yeah, definitely makes the AAC the top dog in G5.

Not really Quantity doesn't equal quality.

Football, Basketball - MWC >> AAC with this line up.

(10-18-2021 06:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:23 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:08 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Thamel: The expectation is that they will be accepted and the AAC will grow to a 14-team football league. (Also 14 teams in hoops.)


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Don’t get this at all for the AAC. Why go so hard on Texas? And 14 teams? No room for future expansion. Basketball quality also goes out the window.

totally eliminates Texas as an option for the MWC. All that is left is Texas St and UTEP.

Maybe that is the point. To hurt both the MW and C-USA.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

I don't see this ending well.

And why would SMU go for this?

Makes it when more B12 expansion takes place- AAC has all the Texas power in place and not MWC.

(10-18-2021 06:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:39 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me the 2 to watch out for major growth like UCF- Charlotte and UTSA. Those 2 programs are ones that I could see in 15-20 years being something else.

Hell yeah! 15-20 years from now they could be good! Meanwhile for the next decade the TV deal probably just went down to like 2 million per school.

I don't think it's going to take that long even realistically. Those 2 will be programs that get an immediate boost. Also North Texas I think.

Oh no, they for sure get an immediate boost, while the AAC makes what was already going to be a financial haircut into a financial head shaving.

That might have been the case no matter what.

There's no way it gets better by adding 6 teams instead of 4, or even 2.

(10-18-2021 06:30 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 06:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so if this happens, what happens with CUSA? They would have left
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida International
Old Dominion
UTEP
La Tech
Southern MIss

The Sun Belt will pick two or so. The rest will be calling up other conference commissioners, looking for an off ramp.

I'm thinking New Mexico State, UMass, and Liberty are celebrating right now. Conference USA can't be that choosy in adding members, I wouldn't think.

Why would CUSA bring in UMass for football only? Why would UMass leave the A10 for that bunch of schools?

(10-18-2021 06:41 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  I'd have to think C-USA invites New Mexico State. Easy add, pair them with UTEP.

I also expect they invite UMass for all sports, and when they say no, football only.

Why would you take UMass for football only?