I know these things are never fully set in stone (see last season) but to me this all but confirms OU and UT will be staying at least one more season in the Big 12.

https://twitter.com/SEC/status/1440306082937671702?s=20

I never really thought there was any chance they would be there in 2022. I still believe 2024 is the most likely, to coincide with the new SEC tv deal.

(09-21-2021 09:28 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I never really thought there was any chance they would be there in 2022. I still believe 2024 is the most likely, to coincide with the new SEC tv deal.

There's some logic in 2024, but that would be 3 lame duck seasons. I always felt like 2023 was most likely, but they were working on 2022.

(09-21-2021 09:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:28 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I never really thought there was any chance they would be there in 2022. I still believe 2024 is the most likely, to coincide with the new SEC tv deal.

There's some logic in 2024, but that would be 3 lame duck seasons. I always felt like 2023 was most likely, but they were working on 2022.

2023 seems like the safe bet to me too. With 16 teams and fairly significant changes to the schedules, it seemed like too quick of a turnaround for 2022. Now they get to take a few months, gather input from everyone, and work it all out in person during annual meetings. Plus the lawyers get another year to work on the Big 12 exit.

(09-21-2021 09:39 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:28 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I never really thought there was any chance they would be there in 2022. I still believe 2024 is the most likely, to coincide with the new SEC tv deal.

There's some logic in 2024, but that would be 3 lame duck seasons. I always felt like 2023 was most likely, but they were working on 2022.

2023 seems like the safe bet to me too. With 16 teams and fairly significant changes to the schedules, it seemed like too quick of a turnaround for 2022. Now they get to take a few months, gather input from everyone, and work it all out in person during annual meetings. Plus the lawyers get another year to work on the Big 12 exit.

And 2022 is a quick turnaround for the Big 12, AAC, CUSA and SB. The latter 3 haven't made their responsive moves yet.

(09-21-2021 09:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:28 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I never really thought there was any chance they would be there in 2022. I still believe 2024 is the most likely, to coincide with the new SEC tv deal.

There's some logic in 2024, but that would be 3 lame duck seasons. I always felt like 2023 was most likely, but they were working on 2022.

I’m with you on that, bullet.

But UT/OU are contractually obligated until 01st July 2025. We are talking about a huge amount of money to get them out of that, and each additional year make the $$$$ go up more.

(09-21-2021 09:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:39 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:28 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I never really thought there was any chance they would be there in 2022. I still believe 2024 is the most likely, to coincide with the new SEC tv deal.

There's some logic in 2024, but that would be 3 lame duck seasons. I always felt like 2023 was most likely, but they were working on 2022.

2023 seems like the safe bet to me too. With 16 teams and fairly significant changes to the schedules, it seemed like too quick of a turnaround for 2022. Now they get to take a few months, gather input from everyone, and work it all out in person during annual meetings. Plus the lawyers get another year to work on the Big 12 exit.

And 2022 is a quick turnaround for the Big 12, AAC, CUSA and SB. The latter 3 haven't made their responsive moves yet.

None of the other conferences are in a position that they must make moves. If there are any deficient sports in the AAC with the 3 schools leaving, I'm sure they'll be able to get a waiver for 2022.

(09-21-2021 10:12 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  2022 is a quick turnaround for the Big 12, AAC, CUSA and SB. The latter 3 haven't made their responsive moves yet.

None of the other conferences are in a position that they must make moves. If there are any deficient sports in the AAC with the 3 schools leaving, I'm sure they'll be able to get a waiver for 2022.

Agreed. As a Tulane fan, I don’t feel the AAC is under any pressure to announce it’s final moves simultaneously with the OT/OU situation. Obviously, sooner is better than later. But it doesn’t have to be immediate, imho.

This is good news. The Big 12's agreement with BYU and Houston for a 2023 start date more or less ruled out an early UT/OU exit for 2022 but it's good to know that the SEC is moving ahead and is not waiting on that possibility. UT has, so far, shown no willingness to pay what they owe or give any other inducements to the Big 12 to not enforce fully their legal rights under the bylaws and the GOR, so there is literally no incentive to move early and forego the money that the Big 12 is owed. Breaking 99-year commitments should be costly.

(09-21-2021 10:12 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:39 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:28 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I never really thought there was any chance they would be there in 2022. I still believe 2024 is the most likely, to coincide with the new SEC tv deal.

There's some logic in 2024, but that would be 3 lame duck seasons. I always felt like 2023 was most likely, but they were working on 2022.

2023 seems like the safe bet to me too. With 16 teams and fairly significant changes to the schedules, it seemed like too quick of a turnaround for 2022. Now they get to take a few months, gather input from everyone, and work it all out in person during annual meetings. Plus the lawyers get another year to work on the Big 12 exit.

And 2022 is a quick turnaround for the Big 12, AAC, CUSA and SB. The latter 3 haven't made their responsive moves yet.

None of the other conferences are in a position that they must make moves. If there are any deficient sports in the AAC with the 3 schools leaving, I'm sure they'll be able to get a waiver for 2022.

8 doesn't work. AAC will need to add at least 2.

(09-21-2021 11:02 AM)Jared7 Wrote:  This is good news. The Big 12's agreement with BYU and Houston for a 2023 start date more or less ruled out an early UT/OU exit for 2022 but it's good to know that the SEC is moving ahead and is not waiting on that possibility. UT has, so far, shown no willingness to pay what they owe or give any other inducements to the Big 12 to not enforce fully their legal rights under the bylaws and the GOR, so there is literally no incentive to move early and forego the money that the Big 12 is owed. Breaking 99-year commitments should be costly.

I didn't know you were a party to the negotiations!

(09-21-2021 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  8 doesn't work. AAC will need to add at least 2.

It would, obviously, be a last-resort option. It would suck and nobody would like it. But if we just had to, I think we could grit our teeth and get through it for just one (1) lousy year.

(09-21-2021 11:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 11:02 AM)Jared7 Wrote:  This is good news. The Big 12's agreement with BYU and Houston for a 2023 start date more or less ruled out an early UT/OU exit for 2022 but it's good to know that the SEC is moving ahead and is not waiting on that possibility. UT has, so far, shown no willingness to pay what they owe or give any other inducements to the Big 12 to not enforce fully their legal rights under the bylaws and the GOR, so there is literally no incentive to move early and forego the money that the Big 12 is owed. Breaking 99-year commitments should be costly.

I didn't know you were a party to the negotiations!

I'm not, but if "everyone" was really working towards 2022 as some have claimed, we'd have seen it or heard about it and we haven't. Instead, we've seen UT pretending that they really didn't give notice of withdrawal when they made their splashy announcement in July and accepted an invitation to join another conference and we've seen them continuing to pretend that the bylaws don't provide for immediate withholdings after the commencement of the Interim Period. The Big 12's agreement with BYU and Houston for 2023 and tonight's SEC announcement more or less rule out 2022 as an early exit date.

(09-21-2021 11:23 AM)Jared7 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 11:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 11:02 AM)Jared7 Wrote:  This is good news. The Big 12's agreement with BYU and Houston for a 2023 start date more or less ruled out an early UT/OU exit for 2022 but it's good to know that the SEC is moving ahead and is not waiting on that possibility. UT has, so far, shown no willingness to pay what they owe or give any other inducements to the Big 12 to not enforce fully their legal rights under the bylaws and the GOR, so there is literally no incentive to move early and forego the money that the Big 12 is owed. Breaking 99-year commitments should be costly.

I didn't know you were a party to the negotiations!

I'm not, but if "everyone" was really working towards 2022 as some have claimed, we'd have seen it or heard about it and we haven't. Instead, we've seen UT pretending that they really didn't give notice of withdrawal when they made their splashy announcement in July and accepted an invitation to join another conference and we've seen them continuing to pretend that the bylaws don't provide for immediate withholdings after the commencement of the Interim Period. The Big 12's agreement with BYU and Houston for 2023 and tonight's SEC announcement more or less rule out 2022 as an early exit date.

Well I think the converse is true. When it’s quiet is when it’s serious and everyone is under an NDA. But it’s getting late to do 2022. And if UT and OU aren’t in this schedule tonight it does mean 2023 is more likely.

Cross Division, Non Permanent Rivalry Games (Courtesy of FBSchedules: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2022/team/alabama):

Vanderbilt-Alabama (Ughh!)
Florida-Texas A&M (Yes!)
Georgia-Mississippi State (No!)
Missouri-Auburn
Tennessee-LSU
South Carolina-Arkansas
Kentucky-Mississippi

Cupcake November!
Nov. 19
Austin Peay at Alabama
UAB at LSU
Massachusetts at Texas A&M
Western Kentucky at Auburn

Florida and Georgia do not have cupcakes scheduled for Nov. 19. Can we move UF-UGa to that day?
At least three of them are FBS teams!

Also in 2022, Penn State goes to Auburn on Sept. 17. It won't be a conference game barring massive changes but Alabama travels to Texas on Sept. 10. That is under the Big 12 contract and under Big 12 TV rules FOX has the top choice in even # rules so I would expect FOX to grab it and it should be their Big Nooner that week.

(09-21-2021 01:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Cross Division, Non Permanent Rivalry Games (Courtesy of FBSchedules: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2022/team/alabama):

Vanderbilt-Alabama (Ughh!)
Florida-Texas A&M (Yes!)
Georgia-Mississippi State (No!)
Missouri-Auburn
Tennessee-LSU
South Carolina-Arkansas
Kentucky-Mississippi

Cupcake November!
Nov. 19
Austin Peay at Alabama
UAB at LSU
Massachusetts at Texas A&M
Western Kentucky at Auburn

Florida and Georgia do not have cupcakes scheduled for Nov. 19. Can we move UF-UGa to that day?
At least three of them are FBS teams!

Also in 2022, Penn State goes to Auburn on Sept. 17. It won't be a conference game barring massive changes but Alabama travels to Texas on Sept. 10. That is under the Big 12 contract and under Big 12 TV rules FOX has the top choice in even # rules so I would expect FOX to grab it and it should be their Big Nooner that week.

I will be honest, while it is refreshing to get an easy win in week one, I will miss playing our FCS opponent in November. We don't have one the next few years but I believe we do in 2024/25. I still never understood why so many others have a problem with the order of schedules

(09-21-2021 01:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Cross Division, Non Permanent Rivalry Games (Courtesy of FBSchedules: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2022/team/alabama):

Vanderbilt-Alabama (Ughh!)
Florida-Texas A&M (Yes!)
Georgia-Mississippi State (No!)
Missouri-Auburn
Tennessee-LSU
South Carolina-Arkansas
Kentucky-Mississippi

Cupcake November!
Nov. 19
Austin Peay at Alabama
UAB at LSU
Massachusetts at Texas A&M
Western Kentucky at Auburn

Florida and Georgia do not have cupcakes scheduled for Nov. 19. Can we move UF-UGa to that day?
At least three of them are FBS teams!

Also in 2022, Penn State goes to Auburn on Sept. 17. It won't be a conference game barring massive changes but Alabama travels to Texas on Sept. 10. That is under the Big 12 contract and under Big 12 TV rules FOX has the top choice in even # rules so I would expect FOX to grab it and it should be their Big Nooner that week.

Florida-Georgia is Halloween.
Plus Georgia Tech is Thanksgiving so UGA doesn't want Florida on that weekend. Auburn, Florida and Georgia Tech need to be spread out.

(09-21-2021 01:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 01:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Cross Division, Non Permanent Rivalry Games (Courtesy of FBSchedules: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2022/team/alabama):

Vanderbilt-Alabama (Ughh!)
Florida-Texas A&M (Yes!)
Georgia-Mississippi State (No!)
Missouri-Auburn
Tennessee-LSU
South Carolina-Arkansas
Kentucky-Mississippi

Cupcake November!
Nov. 19
Austin Peay at Alabama
UAB at LSU
Massachusetts at Texas A&M
Western Kentucky at Auburn

Florida and Georgia do not have cupcakes scheduled for Nov. 19. Can we move UF-UGa to that day?
At least three of them are FBS teams!

Also in 2022, Penn State goes to Auburn on Sept. 17. It won't be a conference game barring massive changes but Alabama travels to Texas on Sept. 10. That is under the Big 12 contract and under Big 12 TV rules FOX has the top choice in even # rules so I would expect FOX to grab it and it should be their Big Nooner that week.

Florida-Georgia is Halloween.
Plus Georgia Tech is Thanksgiving so UGA doesn't want Florida on that weekend. Auburn, Florida and Georgia Tech need to be spread out.

Definitely something to be said for keeping annual games in certain slots on the schedule. They don't all need to be bunched up at the end of the schedule.

SC/UGA should always be week 2 or 3. SC/UT is Halloween weekend. SC/UF is mid November. Clemson is Thanksgiving weekend.

(09-21-2021 01:43 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I still never understood why so many others have a problem with the order of schedules

Football games mean more later in the season. If Alabama and Florida played in November, both teams would be 9-0 or maybe 8-1 and the game would be huge. It's still big in September but 2-0 vs. 2-0 isn't as big a deal. Remember a few years back when Joe Burrow and LSU played Alabama in November and both teams were undefeated? If that game is in September it isn't as big a deal. And now Florida's season may not necessarily be over but a lot of the excitement is gone now. Who wants that in September? Also there is this sport called baseball and I'd rather the top games come on after baseball season is over (although in Philly baseball season is already practically over this year).

(09-21-2021 01:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 01:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Cross Division, Non Permanent Rivalry Games (Courtesy of FBSchedules: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2022/team/alabama):

Vanderbilt-Alabama (Ughh!)
Florida-Texas A&M (Yes!)
Georgia-Mississippi State (No!)
Missouri-Auburn
Tennessee-LSU
South Carolina-Arkansas
Kentucky-Mississippi

Cupcake November!
Nov. 19
Austin Peay at Alabama
UAB at LSU
Massachusetts at Texas A&M
Western Kentucky at Auburn

Florida and Georgia do not have cupcakes scheduled for Nov. 19. Can we move UF-UGa to that day?
At least three of them are FBS teams!

Also in 2022, Penn State goes to Auburn on Sept. 17. It won't be a conference game barring massive changes but Alabama travels to Texas on Sept. 10. That is under the Big 12 contract and under Big 12 TV rules FOX has the top choice in even # rules so I would expect FOX to grab it and it should be their Big Nooner that week.

Florida-Georgia is Halloween.
Plus Georgia Tech is Thanksgiving so UGA doesn't want Florida on that weekend. Auburn, Florida and Georgia Tech need to be spread out.

I get it. I'm just looking for a decent SEC on CBS game on Nov. 19. If Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, and Auburn are playing G5/FCS games and Florida and Georgia can't play each other, who's left?

The OU/UT discussions had been going on since (at least) January. That's a long time to figure everything out for the 2022 season. I'm not convinced the move will happen for 2022 but it wouldn't be surprising. For 2022, they could add Oklahoma to the East and Texas to the West, make them cross-division rivals for 2022, and worry about the structure for 2023 - which may also changing the CCG rules.

East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Texas, Texas A&M

This alignment, at least for 2022, would put Missouri/Oklahoma and Arkansas/Texas/Texas A&M together. 7 division games and 2 cross-division games. The proposed games on the link in the post above can always be modified (example here: breakup Auburn/Missouri to play Oklahoma/Texas) so maybe something like this:
Alabama: Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Arkansas: Missouri, South Carolina
Auburn: Georgia, Oklahoma
Florida: LSU, Texas A&M
Georgia: Auburn, Mississippi St
Kentucky: Mississippi, Mississippi St
LSU: Florida, Tennessee
Mississippi: Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Mississippi St: Georgia, Kentucky
Missouri: Arkansas, Texas
Oklahoma: Auburn, Texas
South Carolina: Arkansas, Texas A&M
Tennessee: Alabama, LSU
Texas: Missouri, Oklahoma
Texas A&M: Florida, South Carolina
Vanderbilt: Alabama, Mississippi