https://theathletic.com/news/tcu-coach-g...gloiNuv1em

"...Speaking at an NIL event put on by the school Wednesday night, Patterson said if TCU doesn’t step up in that department, it’ll be left behind. He mentioned one freshman on his roster who’s being contacted by several SEC schools, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

“There’s five SEC schools calling him and telling him, ‘Here’s what we’ll give you if you come here and not stay at TCU,’” Patterson said, according to the paper. “At the end of the day, that’s just real life. If we don’t do anything about it, within a year we lose him. The rules have changed. There is no wrong anymore...."”

(09-17-2021 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/news/tcu-coach-g...gloiNuv1em

"...Speaking at an NIL event put on by the school Wednesday night, Patterson said if TCU doesn’t step up in that department, it’ll be left behind. He mentioned one freshman on his roster who’s being contacted by several SEC schools, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

“There’s five SEC schools calling him and telling him, ‘Here’s what we’ll give you if you come here and not stay at TCU,’” Patterson said, according to the paper. “At the end of the day, that’s just real life. If we don’t do anything about it, within a year we lose him. The rules have changed. There is no wrong anymore...."”

TCU better step up their game then

IIRC, the NIL rules do not permit NIL offers to be conditioned on whether an athlete is playing for a certain team. So it would be against the rules to tell a player, for example, "Raising Canes will pay you $10,000 to endorse their chicken fingers if you come and play for LSU."

(09-17-2021 12:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  IIRC, the NIL rules do not permit NIL offers to be conditioned on whether an athlete is playing for a certain team. So it would be against the rules to tell a player, for example, "Raising Canes will pay you $10,000 to endorse their chicken fingers if you come and play for LSU."

Well you say player X is also a linebacker at LSU and Raising Canes is paying him $10,000 to endorse their chicken fingers.

Just like Saban was very public about his incoming QB getting a million dollars in NIL deals.

Sounds great! Happy these kids are getting paid. Go make that money.

Can another school now recruit a student who has not entered the transfer portal?

If they have proof they are using the NIL to recruit a player then they just need to report them. The NCAA will investigate and take appropriate action. It is that simple.

(09-17-2021 01:49 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Can another school now recruit a student who has not entered the transfer portal?

Coaches and football team staff members can't do that.

There is no rule prohibiting players on Team X talking to players on Team Y and telling them they should think about transferring to Team X, as long as the coaches and team staff don't instigate the contact and don't have any involvement in communicating with the Team Y players.

(09-17-2021 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/news/tcu-coach-g...gloiNuv1em

"...Speaking at an NIL event put on by the school Wednesday night, Patterson said if TCU doesn’t step up in that department, it’ll be left behind. He mentioned one freshman on his roster who’s being contacted by several SEC schools, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

“There’s five SEC schools calling him and telling him, ‘Here’s what we’ll give you if you come here and not stay at TCU,’” Patterson said, according to the paper. “At the end of the day, that’s just real life. If we don’t do anything about it, within a year we lose him. The rules have changed. There is no wrong anymore...."”

That part should be illegal - just like tampering with players under contract is.

(09-17-2021 02:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 01:49 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Can another school now recruit a student who has not entered the transfer portal?

Coaches and football team staff members can't do that.

There is no rule prohibiting players on Team X talking to players on Team Y and telling them they should think about transferring to Team X, as long as the coaches and team staff don't instigate the contact and don't have any involvement in communicating with the Team Y players.

This is a whole new world. And the fact is, NIL can and will be used to recruit players from other universities. This can of worms has been opened, and it will be years before anyone figures out how to stop the cheating that will be rampant.

(09-17-2021 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/news/tcu-coach-g...gloiNuv1em

"...Speaking at an NIL event put on by the school Wednesday night, Patterson said if TCU doesn’t step up in that department, it’ll be left behind. He mentioned one freshman on his roster who’s being contacted by several SEC schools, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

“There’s five SEC schools calling him and telling him, ‘Here’s what we’ll give you if you come here and not stay at TCU,’” Patterson said, according to the paper. “At the end of the day, that’s just real life. If we don’t do anything about it, within a year we lose him. The rules have changed. There is no wrong anymore...."”

That part should be illegal - just like tampering with players under contract is.

Why would that be illegal?

NCAA's stance has been that a university can't limit the player seeking NIL deals. In my opinion Patterson is in the wrong. Let the free market do what the free market does. If a player can transfer and make more money than great.

(09-17-2021 03:04 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/news/tcu-coach-g...gloiNuv1em

"...Speaking at an NIL event put on by the school Wednesday night, Patterson said if TCU doesn’t step up in that department, it’ll be left behind. He mentioned one freshman on his roster who’s being contacted by several SEC schools, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

“There’s five SEC schools calling him and telling him, ‘Here’s what we’ll give you if you come here and not stay at TCU,’” Patterson said, according to the paper. “At the end of the day, that’s just real life. If we don’t do anything about it, within a year we lose him. The rules have changed. There is no wrong anymore...."”

That part should be illegal - just like tampering with players under contract is.

Why would that be illegal?

NCAA's stance has been that a university can't limit the player seeking NIL deals. In my opinion Patterson is in the wrong. Let the free market do what the free market does. If a player can transfer and make more money than great.

College football is not a free market, nor whould it be. I see you're a UCF fan. If you think you can compete with an unregulated Alabama Crimson Tide for national titles, you're sadly mistaken.

Unchecked, market forces inevitably lead to monopolies; it's only regulation (anti-trust laws or, in the NFL, salary caps, etc.) which prevents a single organization from rising to the top and remaining there forever... think about it: what mechanism is there for a disadvantaged team to overtake the top team? Get a better coach - they buy him off. Recruit better - they buy them too. Find a new source of revenue - they tap it as well, only they get more money than you do. It becomes utterly hopeless without some rules to reign in the top programs.

(09-17-2021 02:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 02:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 01:49 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Can another school now recruit a student who has not entered the transfer portal?

Coaches and football team staff members can't do that.

There is no rule prohibiting players on Team X talking to players on Team Y and telling them they should think about transferring to Team X, as long as the coaches and team staff don't instigate the contact and don't have any involvement in communicating with the Team Y players.

This is a whole new world. And the fact is, NIL can and will be used to recruit players from other universities. This can of worms has been opened, and it will be years before anyone figures out how to stop the cheating that will be rampant.

What Patterson is complaining about was already legal before NIL, and he was already complaining about it before NIL. He complained to another coaching staff several months ago about his players being “recruited”, they checked into it, and it turned out it was just players on that team talking to high school teammates who are on TCU’s team. And that is not against the rules, as mentioned in my comments above.

Do people really think the NiL is not going to be abused to pull transfers from one school to another? Of course it will be. It won’t be the school contacting the kid it will be the 3rd party corporate entity contacting he or his family to discuss a proposed deal if he lands in a particular market.

And if anyone doesn’t think that coaches already have a list of proposed NIL deals with proposed figures in hand when they go into a recruits living room, I have a bridge to sell.

(09-18-2021 09:35 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Do people really think the NiL is not going to be abused to pull transfers from one school to another? Of course it will be. It won’t be the school contacting the kid it will be the 3rd party corporate entity contacting he or his family to discuss a proposed deal if he lands in a particular market.

And if anyone doesn’t think that coaches already have a list of proposed NIL deals with proposed figures in hand when they go into a recruits living room, I have a bridge to sell.

You’re correct and I see nothing wrong with it...the athletes with their limited shelf life needs to cash in like everyone else...

NIL is pure trash. It will ruin college athletics. It’s buying players, just more open and not regulated.

COA was needed and it should have stopped there. Plus allowing STUDENT athletes to make money from other means. That doesn’t mean endorsement deals worth millions. Take Olivia Dunne for example. LSU gymnast who is worth millions because of Instagram and TikTok, but couldn’t profit prior to NIL. Now she can, but LSU boosters didn’t buy her, she earned that opportunity by being creative and marketing herself.

NIL will end what’s great about college sports.

(09-19-2021 06:56 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  NIL is pure trash. It will ruin college athletics. It’s buying players, just more open and not regulated.

COA was needed and it should have stopped there. Plus allowing STUDENT athletes to make money from other means. That doesn’t mean endorsement deals worth millions. Take Olivia Dunne for example. LSU gymnast who is worth millions because of Instagram and TikTok, but couldn’t profit prior to NIL. Now she can, but LSU boosters didn’t buy her, she earned that opportunity by being creative and marketing herself.

NIL will end what’s great about college sports.

Thought we lived in a free market society...players should be allowed to cash in just like everyone else...don’t like it that is a you issue...the players don’t mind...good for them....

(09-19-2021 11:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 06:56 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  NIL is pure trash. It will ruin college athletics. It’s buying players, just more open and not regulated.

COA was needed and it should have stopped there. Plus allowing STUDENT athletes to make money from other means. That doesn’t mean endorsement deals worth millions. Take Olivia Dunne for example. LSU gymnast who is worth millions because of Instagram and TikTok, but couldn’t profit prior to NIL. Now she can, but LSU boosters didn’t buy her, she earned that opportunity by being creative and marketing herself.

NIL will end what’s great about college sports.

Thought we lived in a free market society...players should be allowed to cash in just like everyone else...don’t like it that is a you issue...the players don’t mind...good for them....

You thought wrong.

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