(09-15-2021 10:35 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  It will however raise the avg attendance quite a bit in BB and sink the avg attendance in FB.

That’s why priority number 1 is football. Baseball 2nd. There’s a lot of good baseball in the Sun Belt.


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I took from the article that App State and Louisiana were right at the top of the AAC candidate heap for what that's worth, not that there are any guarantees at this point. I think between this article and yesterday's, Ethan Joyce article with Karl Benson, that we have a pretty clear understanding of where things are, at least, in a broad perspective with G5 realignment. Who know what conversations are taking place, but it could be pretty intricate. Doug Gillin has stated repeatedly about wanting App in a conference that will allow for plenty of local rivalries and easy fan travel. To me, the conversations taking place aren't just about App State, but about who else would go along with us to the AAC or who should we invite that would accept an invite to the SBC. Either way it shakes out, I firmly believe App has its choice of conference affiliation between the AAC and Sun Belt.

(09-15-2021 10:34 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:32 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:24 AM)slycat Wrote:  I am surprised WKU isn't thrown around more, aside from them ditching the SBC after committing to it days earlier. They have one of the better football/basketball combos out there. If we want to stop being a one bid league in basketball, teams like WKU help.

Sun Belt isn’t going to stop being a one bid league for the foreseeable future. Adding WKU might change who that one bid is from time to time, but it won’t change the status of the league for basketball.


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Agreed. If CUSA can't muster a 2nd bid with WKU, UAB, ODU, MU and MTSU then adding WKU/ODU to the SBC isn't going to do it either.

The problem with C-USA (and adding basketball centric programs to SBC) is that there will be enough weight at the bottom to drag the top teams down, especially with the NET rating system vs. RPI. You improve your chances of sending a good team to the dance and making some noise I guess, but you don't greatly improve your chances of sending two teams. You do get more teams in the NIT, for whatever that is worth (not much).

(09-15-2021 08:38 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:33 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  If UNCC moves to The Belt I might die laughing.

Honestly though the rivalry between Charlotte and Georgia State fans on this board is worth the admission.

I had class with a guy named Mark Hogan. He was GSUs first player ever and he also played for Charlotte in their first game ever. A football pioneer for both schools. Maybe he could put together some kind of peace deal between us?

(09-15-2021 10:44 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  I took from the article that App State and Louisiana were right at the top of the AAC candidate heap for what that's worth, not that there are any guarantees at this point. I think between this article and yesterday's, Ethan Joyce article with Karl Benson, that we have a pretty clear understanding of where things are, at least, in a broad perspective with G5 realignment. Who know what conversations are taking place, but it could be pretty intricate. Doug Gillin has stated repeatedly about wanting App in a conference that will allow for plenty of local rivalries and easy fan travel. To me, the conversations taking place aren't just about App State, but about who else would go along with us to the AAC or who should we invite that would accept an invite to the SBC. Either way it shakes out, I firmly believe App has its choice of conference affiliation between the AAC and Sun Belt.

Let's say AAC starts with two and it is UAB and App. Is App willing to leave for a couple million more a year in TV, have to pay more than that in budget uptick, leave GS for ECU, and gain no other local rivals? Maybe they do four and you get Marshall as well. I would be curious to hear what the App administration is thinking.

The AAC does have better bowl tie-ins.

(09-15-2021 10:13 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:07 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:53 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:45 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:38 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Florida Atlantic has won 2 of the last 4 football titles and have a shot at 3 of 5 this year

Hardly just a market school. Very solid in many sports except basketball

I don't think South Alabama fan has done anything to warrant putting us down

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It’s my conference and I can say who I like and who I don’t like. That’s how we warrant being able to put you down.

Also, our first win ever over an FBS school was FAU and we have never lost to FAU.

Yes when we were bad you beat us. Great

Again you guys aren't comparable. You are a program which latches onto teams like app , coastal, Louisiana , ark state etc who have done something

With them I can at least say ok you've won something. South Alabama though? It's a bottom feeder ripping a program that has actually won in football which drives realignment

If anything you guys would be more like a market program because of Mobile while not winning much

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Calm down there big man. Other then an interim coach that replaced Pelini for enjoying the smell of cocaine, Kiffin is the only coach you’ve had that ended their tenure with a winning record. And yes, the Kiffin hire was a very good one. Hopefully we finally have a good hire. But don’t act like you guys are barn burners that have been a “G5” power for the last 10+ years.

And do your research, South Alabama has won the Bubas Cup year after year as the overall best athletic program in the conference.

I also notice y’all had to go to a lesser conference in CUSA to start winning, while we are playing with top 25 schools Troy, Coastal, App and Louisiana. You play in a conference if football schools that routinely decide to not play football, UAb and ODU.

We did beat Troy to win the sun belt one year when we were members

But yeah we did make a bunch of bad hires. And nobody said we always win.

But we have won 2 of the last 4 football titles just like UAB and have a shot at it this year too

The sun belt has 3-4 top heavy schools who have had recent success. The rest live off of them.

I respect those schools but I don't buy the belt being way ahead of cusa overall. Football yeah a couple of years I'll give you. Many other sports like basketball no...(but we haven't helped cusa at all in that )

My response was grouping Florida Atlantic with fiu and ODU which is wrong ...they have been bottom feeders awhile in football which drives realignment

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I don't have an issue with FAU as a program, but Boca is a long way from our closest member. I get that FIU is there in Miami, but nobody in the SBC is going to vote for them to rejoin.

I honestlu think FAU has a better shot at the AAC to give USF a partner in Florida. That is if the AAC can look past your basketball facilities and performance.

(09-15-2021 10:24 AM)slycat Wrote:  I am surprised WKU isn't thrown around more, aside from them ditching the SBC after committing to it days earlier. They have one of the better football/basketball combos out there. If we want to stop being a one bid league in basketball, teams like WKU help.

If one of the former schools were invited back, WKU would be the one I want.

FAU to the AAC has the giant hurdle of USF blocking them to get over. USF saw all their greatest fears realized when UCF got a Big 12 invite and they didn't. They will double down on blocking FAU.

(09-15-2021 11:31 AM)freshtop Wrote:  FAU to the AAC has the giant hurdle of USF blocking them to get over. USF saw all their greatest fears realized when UCF got a Big 12 invite and they didn't. They will double down on blocking FAU.

That's the message board speculation but who knows. I think there are many on these boards speculating but nobody truly knows anything. Also think some think they have more power as institutions or conferences than they really do

South Florida does have that reputation as being cowards instead of worrying about and fixing themselves.

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(09-15-2021 11:20 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:44 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  I took from the article that App State and Louisiana were right at the top of the AAC candidate heap for what that's worth, not that there are any guarantees at this point. I think between this article and yesterday's, Ethan Joyce article with Karl Benson, that we have a pretty clear understanding of where things are, at least, in a broad perspective with G5 realignment. Who know what conversations are taking place, but it could be pretty intricate. Doug Gillin has stated repeatedly about wanting App in a conference that will allow for plenty of local rivalries and easy fan travel. To me, the conversations taking place aren't just about App State, but about who else would go along with us to the AAC or who should we invite that would accept an invite to the SBC. Either way it shakes out, I firmly believe App has its choice of conference affiliation between the AAC and Sun Belt.

Let's say AAC starts with two and it is UAB and App. Is App willing to leave for a couple million more a year in TV, have to pay more than that in budget uptick, leave GS for ECU, and gain no other local rivals? Maybe they do four and you get Marshall as well. I would be curious to hear what the App administration is thinking.

The AAC does have better bowl tie-ins.

Money and bowl tie ins change when you lose your top 4 schools.


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(09-15-2021 11:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:31 AM)freshtop Wrote:  FAU to the AAC has the giant hurdle of USF blocking them to get over. USF saw all their greatest fears realized when UCF got a Big 12 invite and they didn't. They will double down on blocking FAU.

That's the message board speculation but who knows. I think there are many on these boards speculating but nobody truly knows anything. Also think some think they have more power as institutions or conferences than they really do

South Florida does have that reputation as being cowards instead of worrying about and fixing themselves.

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This is the biggest issue, I don’t think the conferences know what they are doing, much less us message board posters. The fear for the AAC is they will pull a CUSA and creator their own conference by inviting the wrong schools. The fear for possible invites is the media deal will disappear and they will be left holding the bill for this far flung conference with no return on that. It would not surprise me to find out no one is committing to anything because they are all scared of what everyone else is really doing, because their is no trust.

(09-15-2021 10:44 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  I took from the article that App State and Louisiana were right at the top of the AAC candidate heap for what that's worth, not that there are any guarantees at this point. I think between this article and yesterday's, Ethan Joyce article with Karl Benson, that we have a pretty clear understanding of where things are, at least, in a broad perspective with G5 realignment. Who know what conversations are taking place, but it could be pretty intricate. Doug Gillin has stated repeatedly about wanting App in a conference that will allow for plenty of local rivalries and easy fan travel. To me, the conversations taking place aren't just about App State, but about who else would go along with us to the AAC or who should we invite that would accept an invite to the SBC. Either way it shakes out, I firmly believe App has its choice of conference affiliation between the AAC and Sun Belt.

It’s careful to note he didn’t list you as the top candidate he listed them in no particular order.

I’m not sure I’d agree with you guys having a choice of anything at present

(09-15-2021 08:43 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:38 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:33 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  If UNCC moves to The Belt I might die laughing.

Honestly though the rivalry between Charlotte and Georgia State fans on this board is worth the admission.

If UNCC we’re to return to the belt, we’d be stuck with the guy that talks to himself. There are some real strange people over there......

Yep, that guy (I think) is very strange, but has company.

(09-15-2021 12:19 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:43 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:38 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:33 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  If UNCC moves to The Belt I might die laughing.

Honestly though the rivalry between Charlotte and Georgia State fans on this board is worth the admission.

If UNCC we’re to return to the belt, we’d be stuck with the guy that talks to himself. There are some real strange people over there......

Yep, that guy (I think) is very strange, but has company.

I think that CLT is definitely an ALT account. Look at their Reputation and the reputation they give out. Seems a circular gaming of the Rep system. It's hilarious, imo. I've been on the internet since the real BBS. It's rare someone commits to a bit so damn thoroughly. I called them out on not using "CLT says" once.

(09-15-2021 11:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:31 AM)freshtop Wrote:  FAU to the AAC has the giant hurdle of USF blocking them to get over. USF saw all their greatest fears realized when UCF got a Big 12 invite and they didn't. They will double down on blocking FAU.

That's the message board speculation but who knows. I think there are many on these boards speculating but nobody truly knows anything. Also think some think they have more power as institutions or conferences than they really do

South Florida does have that reputation as being cowards instead of worrying about and fixing themselves.

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USF has a documented history of blocking potential in-state rivals. It was under a different administration so them blocking FAU is speculation, but it is speculation based on previous results.

(09-15-2021 12:24 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:31 AM)freshtop Wrote:  FAU to the AAC has the giant hurdle of USF blocking them to get over. USF saw all their greatest fears realized when UCF got a Big 12 invite and they didn't. They will double down on blocking FAU.

That's the message board speculation but who knows. I think there are many on these boards speculating but nobody truly knows anything. Also think some think they have more power as institutions or conferences than they really do

South Florida does have that reputation as being cowards instead of worrying about and fixing themselves.

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USF has a documented history of blocking potential in-state rivals. It was under a different administration so them blocking FAU is speculation, but it is speculation based on previous results.

Yet UCF still got in last time. And a&m didn't want Texas and were overrided.

If ESPN and other AAC members want FAU, USF is just one vote

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(09-15-2021 12:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:44 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  I took from the article that App State and Louisiana were right at the top of the AAC candidate heap for what that's worth, not that there are any guarantees at this point. I think between this article and yesterday's, Ethan Joyce article with Karl Benson, that we have a pretty clear understanding of where things are, at least, in a broad perspective with G5 realignment. Who know what conversations are taking place, but it could be pretty intricate. Doug Gillin has stated repeatedly about wanting App in a conference that will allow for plenty of local rivalries and easy fan travel. To me, the conversations taking place aren't just about App State, but about who else would go along with us to the AAC or who should we invite that would accept an invite to the SBC. Either way it shakes out, I firmly believe App has its choice of conference affiliation between the AAC and Sun Belt.

It’s careful to note he didn’t list you as the top candidate he listed them in no particular order.

I’m not sure I’d agree with you guys having a choice of anything at present

Agreed. I think things are a long way from being settled. Yes, football drives the bus but there are many other factors at play here and some don't lean in our direction. Personally, I would rather stay in the SB and add some folks like Marshall.

(09-15-2021 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:24 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:31 AM)freshtop Wrote:  FAU to the AAC has the giant hurdle of USF blocking them to get over. USF saw all their greatest fears realized when UCF got a Big 12 invite and they didn't. They will double down on blocking FAU.

That's the message board speculation but who knows. I think there are many on these boards speculating but nobody truly knows anything. Also think some think they have more power as institutions or conferences than they really do

South Florida does have that reputation as being cowards instead of worrying about and fixing themselves.

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USF has a documented history of blocking potential in-state rivals. It was under a different administration so them blocking FAU is speculation, but it is speculation based on previous results.

Yet UCF still got in last time. And a&m didn't want Texas and were overrided.

If ESPN and other AAC members want FAU, USF is just one vote

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you would think USF would have learned by now to not immediately be focused on other in-state school's progress and be more concerned with their own status

(09-15-2021 11:20 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:44 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  I took from the article that App State and Louisiana were right at the top of the AAC candidate heap for what that's worth, not that there are any guarantees at this point. I think between this article and yesterday's, Ethan Joyce article with Karl Benson, that we have a pretty clear understanding of where things are, at least, in a broad perspective with G5 realignment. Who know what conversations are taking place, but it could be pretty intricate. Doug Gillin has stated repeatedly about wanting App in a conference that will allow for plenty of local rivalries and easy fan travel. To me, the conversations taking place aren't just about App State, but about who else would go along with us to the AAC or who should we invite that would accept an invite to the SBC. Either way it shakes out, I firmly believe App has its choice of conference affiliation between the AAC and Sun Belt.

Let's say AAC starts with two and it is UAB and App. Is App willing to leave for a couple million more a year in TV, have to pay more than that in budget uptick, leave GS for ECU, and gain no other local rivals? Maybe they do four and you get Marshall as well. I would be curious to hear what the App administration is thinking.

The AAC does have better bowl tie-ins.

I agree that UAB is right at the top of all these discussions as well, no surprise there right? These are the nitty, gritty details that several schools are having too address. They're going to have to dive into the numbers and make the right decision for the future of their university. It certainly won't be an obvious answer for some universities, certainly won't be for App State. If we're being completely honest we figure that the AAC TV deal will still be a fair clip higher that what the Sun Belt's would be even after this latest realignment, but, like you said is it worth the offset in additional costs for all sports. How does a potential move affect the fanbase? Are local rivalries protected or renewed. How does your university fit with the other institutions? Do you share the same broader goals? Who knows what else.

(09-15-2021 12:37 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:24 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 11:31 AM)freshtop Wrote:  FAU to the AAC has the giant hurdle of USF blocking them to get over. USF saw all their greatest fears realized when UCF got a Big 12 invite and they didn't. They will double down on blocking FAU.

That's the message board speculation but who knows. I think there are many on these boards speculating but nobody truly knows anything. Also think some think they have more power as institutions or conferences than they really do

South Florida does have that reputation as being cowards instead of worrying about and fixing themselves.

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USF has a documented history of blocking potential in-state rivals. It was under a different administration so them blocking FAU is speculation, but it is speculation based on previous results.

Yet UCF still got in last time. And a&m didn't want Texas and were overrided.

If ESPN and other AAC members want FAU, USF is just one vote

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you would think USF would have learned by now to not immediately be focused on other in-state school's progress and be more concerned with their own status

Right ? They need to worry about themselves and their own improvement. Having a travel partner about 3.5-4 hours away in all sports makes sense too

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