(09-06-2021 05:06 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 04:07 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 01:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at all schools that might be interested, the AAC could consider, and their Football success over the last 5 seasons plus factoring in stadium size here are my worthless ranking of the candidates

CUSA
UAB 34 - 16 .680 (45,000)
Marshall 35 - 26 .573 (38,019)
FAU 35 - 26 .573 (20,450)
WKU 34 - 30 .531 (22,000)
So. Miss 31 - 29 .517 (36,000)
N. Tx 31 - 31 .500 (30,850)
ODU 25 - 36 .410 (19,818)
Charlotte 19 - 36 .345 (15,314)
Rice 11 - 43 .204 (70,000)

SBC
App St. 52 - 13 .800 (24,050)
Louisiana 39 - 24 .619 (31,000)
Troy 41 - 22 .650 (30,000)
GA So. 32 - 31 .508 (24,300)
Coastal 24 - 24 .500 (21,000)

MAC
Buffalo 32 - 26 .551 (29,013)
N. IL 26 - 32 .448 (30,998)

SO, considering just this, I say UAB is a lock, Marshall (my biased opinion) App. St. but the 4th spot is a little tougher I guess it will be between (Rice, Charlotte, FAU, So. Miss and Louisiana). Given the AAC is losing most of its upper tier football schools, football will likely receive the highest weighting in who gets picked. CUSA, SBC schools that haven't had success in recent years won't get much consideration, with the exception of Rice and Charlotte due to their television markets. As far as MWC, I don't see any schools who would want to be considered, unless it's Air Force and Colorado St., there's always a chance the MWC will extend invites to Tulsa and SMU just to weaken AAC further.

I still don't see how stadium size is relevant in today's world with HDTV unless you're a "football factory" program like Bama, OSU or ND for example.

To me Stadium size translates to the primary revenue stream the school generates without conference money. The smaller the stadium size the fewer luxury suites the less money a home game generates. Some G5 schools with successful football programs require minimum donations to buy premium seat season tickets, Marshall does. Face it FBS football requires money to be consistently competitive.

Not really. Someone can have a 60k stadium but if they aren't filling it on game days even with cheap tickets then it doesn't make fiscal sense to have such a big stadium and the worse part is, Half empty stadiums look terrible on TV. Not to mention the cost of maintenance and what not. On the other hand having a stadium too small like Charlotte or ODU is also not good when things aren't going well because even with low priced tickets you won't have enough seats to sell and get the revenue stream going. IMHO, ideal stadium size for most of the G5 would be ~25-30k. The reason why i say ticket revenue is not linearly proportional to seats is for example ours is a small stadium with 20k seats and we generate about as much revenue as any in the conference even with a bad season(I don't need to emphasize the bad part because that is what we were at for the last 3/4 years).

(09-06-2021 05:06 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 04:07 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 01:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at all schools that might be interested, the AAC could consider, and their Football success over the last 5 seasons plus factoring in stadium size here are my worthless ranking of the candidates

CUSA
UAB 34 - 16 .680 (45,000)
Marshall 35 - 26 .573 (38,019)
FAU 35 - 26 .573 (20,450)
WKU 34 - 30 .531 (22,000)
So. Miss 31 - 29 .517 (36,000)
N. Tx 31 - 31 .500 (30,850)
ODU 25 - 36 .410 (19,818)
Charlotte 19 - 36 .345 (15,314)
Rice 11 - 43 .204 (70,000)

SBC
App St. 52 - 13 .800 (24,050)
Louisiana 39 - 24 .619 (31,000)
Troy 41 - 22 .650 (30,000)
GA So. 32 - 31 .508 (24,300)
Coastal 24 - 24 .500 (21,000)

MAC
Buffalo 32 - 26 .551 (29,013)
N. IL 26 - 32 .448 (30,998)

SO, considering just this, I say UAB is a lock, Marshall (my biased opinion) App. St. but the 4th spot is a little tougher I guess it will be between (Rice, Charlotte, FAU, So. Miss and Louisiana). Given the AAC is losing most of its upper tier football schools, football will likely receive the highest weighting in who gets picked. CUSA, SBC schools that haven't had success in recent years won't get much consideration, with the exception of Rice and Charlotte due to their television markets. As far as MWC, I don't see any schools who would want to be considered, unless it's Air Force and Colorado St., there's always a chance the MWC will extend invites to Tulsa and SMU just to weaken AAC further.

I still don't see how stadium size is relevant in today's world with HDTV unless you're a "football factory" program like Bama, OSU or ND for example.

To me Stadium size translates to the primary revenue stream the school generates without conference money. The smaller the stadium size the fewer luxury suites the less money a home game generates. Some G5 schools with successful football programs require minimum donations to buy premium seat season tickets, Marshall does. Face it FBS football requires money to be consistently competitive.

We will just agree to disagree. I just don't see how an half empty 40k stadium is any better (or generates more revenue) than a nearly full 25k stadium. I'd rather the money be used for nicer amenities over empty seats to give extra incentives to come to the game instead of watching it from your living room on a 70' 4K TV with Dolby sound.

(09-06-2021 05:44 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:39 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 04:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The next iteration of the AAC, with or without UAB, will be a better conference over whatever CUSA becomes.

I don't know about that. ECU, USF and Tulsa are in horrible shape. Navy if they stay is in a downward trend right now and can you really trust Temple, SMU or Tulane. Most of the leftover AACk looks like all warts. The conference may have better leadership at the top but those making decisions at each school has to be really questionable.

Like I said before when everything stops spinning again I don't expect all of Memphis, Navy, SMU, Tulsa and Wichita State to still be there. If any at all. They are all looking for a life boat.

Imagine that, someone else with my insight.

Great. Now ask him what he thinks his school's administration would do.

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(09-06-2021 05:44 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:39 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 04:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The next iteration of the AAC, with or without UAB, will be a better conference over whatever CUSA becomes.

I don't know about that. ECU, USF and Tulsa are in horrible shape. Navy if they stay is in a downward trend right now and can you really trust Temple, SMU or Tulane. Most of the leftover AACk looks like all warts. The conference may have better leadership at the top but those making decisions at each school has to be really questionable.

Like I said before when everything stops spinning again I don't expect all of Memphis, Navy, SMU, Tulsa and Wichita State to still be there. If any at all. They are all looking for a life boat.

Imagine that, someone else with my insight.

The leftover AACk even with Memphis doesn't look that exciting. Memphis is the only school that has a good to great foundation for their athletics. If the MWC sees value in it then I fully expect to see them invite SMU, Tulsa and Memphis. The 1st 2 I would expect to jump without hesitation. Memphis may or may not have to crunch numbers, which Im sure someone has probably already done.

And since WSU is a basketball and olympic sports member without Cincy, and Houston I would fully expect them to look at the MWC or A10/BEast.

Do I like ECU and even Temple over say a school or two in CUSA, yes. Is it worth potential spending or giving up a few million dollars to be with them. At this point I don't think so not unless you are putting a new conference together somehow with the best of the rest. And can some programs put their egos aside to do that.

I understand why those with small stadiums don't see the point, but there is nothing like the few times we sell out 40k for a game. Incredible atmosphere and creates a nice buzz among the casual fans, especially those who were part of that 40k.

Ok Lets bring some sanity to this thread, I can tell for 100% certainty that half that list is not even in consideration. App State, most definitely not Troy or ULL. No SBC or MAC


Back in 2005 UTEP was pick over Tech for CUSA. Those relationships still do exist and the Memphis president is gone.

Five schools that the AAC has reached out to:

Rice
UAB
Marshall
USM
Tech

It is coming down between Marshall, USM and Tech for the 3rd and 4th spot

UAB and Rice seem to be locks. These chancellors and President have totally different set of criteria that any y’all are considering. I can tell you for 100% certainty that App state and Troy are not even be considered regardless of how many Sunbelt wins these schools have, trust me They don’t care.

(09-06-2021 05:10 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 04:54 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says add budgets to your chart

It's deeper than overall budget, when looking at budget, look at how much also goes into debt payments. There are some G5 school carrying a buttload of debt. UAB on the other hand raised funds in advance to pay for it most of its facility upgrades.

clt says Charlotte and uab seem to be most similar. We have no debt as well.

(09-06-2021 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Ok Lets bring some sanity to this thread, I can tell for 100% certainty that half that list is not even in consideration. App State, most definitely not Troy or ULL. No SBC or MAC


Back in 2005 UTEP was pick over Tech for CUSA. Those relationships still do exist and the Memphis president is gone.

Five schools that the AAC has reached out to:

Rice
UAB
Marshall
USM
Tech

It is coming down between Marshall, USM and Tech for the 3rd and 4th spot

UAB and Rice seem to be locks. These chancellors and President have totally different set of criteria that any y’all are considering. I can tell you for 100% certainty that App state and Troy are not even be considered regardless of how many Sunbelt wins these schools have, trust me They don’t care.

If that is true... I would really feel bad for either one of those teams who is not selected. If 4 of (Rice, UAB, Marshall, USM, Tech) leaves... the 5th along with Charlotte, ODU have some real decisions to make.

(09-06-2021 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Ok Lets bring some sanity to this thread, I can tell for 100% certainty that half that list is not even in consideration. App State, most definitely not Troy or ULL. No SBC or MAC


Back in 2005 UTEP was pick over Tech for CUSA. Those relationships still do exist and the Memphis president is gone.

Five schools that the AAC has reached out to:

Rice
UAB
Marshall
USM
Tech

It is coming down between Marshall, USM and Tech for the 3rd and 4th spot

UAB and Rice seem to be locks. These chancellors and President have totally different set of criteria that any y’all are considering. I can tell you for 100% certainty that App state and Troy are not even be considered regardless of how many Sunbelt wins these schools have, trust me They don’t care.

Not sure if you have any reliable sources but I'd wager you are very close. One can't discount the power of past rivalries and relationships, especially for Rice, UAB, Marshall, and USM that exist between the remaining AAC schools and those four schools. LaTech wasn't with the others so LaTech being in the discussion is likely for other reasons.

If those four were to rejoin their old friends, that leaves CUSA with 10.

CUSA teams that bolted to eventually form the AAC with other teams were:
Memphis, Houston, UCF, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa & ECU

That left USM, UAB, Marshall, Rice, and UTEP remaining in CUSA

CUSA filled those open slots with the three best all-around athletic programs from the SBC (WKU, MTSU, & NT) as well as the two Florida schools from the SBC. Then picked up LaTech, ODU, Charlotte, and UTSA from other places.

In your scenario four that were left out in the last round could now be accepted back into their little group. Interestingly, The SBC teams that joined have been generally successful in both major sports and made CUSA very viable and competitive, especially WKU, MTSU, NT, & FAU.

Can that 10 team core continue with success? Yes.

(09-06-2021 06:41 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Ok Lets bring some sanity to this thread, I can tell for 100% certainty that half that list is not even in consideration. App State, most definitely not Troy or ULL. No SBC or MAC


Back in 2005 UTEP was pick over Tech for CUSA. Those relationships still do exist and the Memphis president is gone.

Five schools that the AAC has reached out to:

Rice
UAB
Marshall
USM
Tech

It is coming down between Marshall, USM and Tech for the 3rd and 4th spot

UAB and Rice seem to be locks. These chancellors and President have totally different set of criteria that any y’all are considering. I can tell you for 100% certainty that App state and Troy are not even be considered regardless of how many Sunbelt wins these schools have, trust me They don’t care.

Not sure if you have any reliable sources but I'd wager you are very close. One can't discount the power of past rivalries and relationships, especially for Rice, UAB, Marshall, and USM that exist between the remaining AAC schools and those four schools. LaTech wasn't with the others so LaTech being in the discussion is likely for other reasons.

If those four were to rejoin their old friends, that leaves CUSA with 10.

Tech was in the WAC with Tulsa and SMU.

(09-06-2021 05:44 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  All of these figures will be averages since 2014 which is the first year under the current re-alignment (minus the 2020 season due to COVID).

I see fans from multiple schools trying to use one year (if it benefits them or diminishes another). We can't look at just one single year to get a full picture so that is why I have compiled all of this data from 2014-2019 (Includes the 2019 season). So I decided to take the time and figure up the averages for each school over this time period. Averages are a lot better measuring stick as it's over a longer period of time.


Average Football Attendance


Marshall- 24,590
So Miss- 24,566
UAB- 24,196 (Only four seasons as they shut their program down for two years)
UTSA- 23,419
App St- 23,171
Rice- 20,177
Louisiana- 20,017

North Texas- 19,976
La Tech- 19,964
ODU- 19,273
Buffalo- 17,417
Liberty- 17,251 (3 years FCS)

FAU 15,903
Ga St- 15,015
Charlotte- 13,003


Average Basketball Attendance

Old Dominion- 6,560
Marshall- 5,433
Charlotte- 4,402

Buffalo- 3,836
Louisiana- 3,777
La Tech- 3,474
UAB- 3,091
So Miss- 3,072

North Texas- 2,523
Liberty- 2,299
Rice- 1,989
Ga St- 1,772

App St- 1,267
FAU- 1,219
UTSA- 1,087

The attendance figures came directly from the NCAA website.

The Ticket Sales, Donations, etc all come from USA Today! Info for Liberty and Rice are not available as they are private schools.

Average Ticket Sales Per Year

Old Dominion- $3,735,450
Marshall- $3,478,819

Louisiana- $2,761,438
So Miss- $2,693,467
App State- $2,332,468
UTSA- $2,142,369

La Tech- $1,803,163
Charlotte- $1,712,470
UAB- $1,539,626

FAU- $1,400,093
North Texas- $1,368,195
Buffalo- $1,1175,476

Ga St- $724,343


Average Contributions Per Year

Louisiana- $5,873,952
Old Dominion- $5,871,873
La Tech- $5,385,089

Charlotte- $4,778,017
UAB- $4,692,302


So Miss- $3,986,211
FAU- $3,913,376
App St- $3,792,858
Marshall- $3,248,220

UTSA- $2,710,193
North Texas- $2,302,246
Buffalo- $2,108,647

Ga St- $1,915,243


Average Rights/Licensing Per Year

North Texas- $5,829,322
Marshall- $5,787,459
UTSA- $5,721,966
So Miss- $5,215,197

Old Dominion- $4,993,182
App St- $4,219,673
Buffalo- $4,219,474
Louisiana- $4,011,099

FAU- $3,900,435
Charlotte- $3,800,225
UAB- $3,744,679
Ga St- $3,437,221
La Tech- $3,307,481


Percent of Budget Subsidized in 2019

La Tech- 43.92%
So Miss- 44.85%
Marshall- 47.78%

FAU- 57.03%
Louisiana- 57.22%
App St- 57.97%


Ga St- 60.39%
UTSA- 60.87%
Old Dominion- 61.3%
UAB- 63.32%
Charlotte- 68%
North Texas 68.95%
Buffalo- 69.88%



If I get the time I will look up weeks ranked, how many times finished the season ranked, highest rank, winning percentage etc. Not sure when I will have this much time again, but this is how I spent my Labor Day lol

Better than mine. I spent all day chasing down a covid test for one of my kids that we ultimately couldn't get, because everybody's closed.

This is amazing data.

(09-06-2021 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Ok Lets bring some sanity to this thread, I can tell for 100% certainty that half that list is not even in consideration. App State, most definitely not Troy or ULL. No SBC or MAC


Back in 2005 UTEP was pick over Tech for CUSA. Those relationships still do exist and the Memphis president is gone.

Five schools that the AAC has reached out to:

Rice
UAB
Marshall
USM
Tech

It is coming down between Marshall, USM and Tech for the 3rd and 4th spot

UAB and Rice seem to be locks. These chancellors and President have totally different set of criteria that any y’all are considering. I can tell you for 100% certainty that App state and Troy are not even be considered regardless of how many Sunbelt wins these schools have, trust me They don’t care.

I have always said that if they choose two, it will be UAB and Rice

But I don't think realignment is complete. I think more conferences are going to continue to raid the Big 12, completely decimating it.

That will in turn create more instability in the American, which will then in turn force a lot of hands.

(09-06-2021 07:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:44 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  All of these figures will be averages since 2014 which is the first year under the current re-alignment (minus the 2020 season due to COVID).

I see fans from multiple schools trying to use one year (if it benefits them or diminishes another). We can't look at just one single year to get a full picture so that is why I have compiled all of this data from 2014-2019 (Includes the 2019 season). So I decided to take the time and figure up the averages for each school over this time period. Averages are a lot better measuring stick as it's over a longer period of time.


Average Football Attendance


Marshall- 24,590
So Miss- 24,566
UAB- 24,196 (Only four seasons as they shut their program down for two years)
UTSA- 23,419
App St- 23,171
Rice- 20,177
Louisiana- 20,017

North Texas- 19,976
La Tech- 19,964
ODU- 19,273
Buffalo- 17,417
Liberty- 17,251 (3 years FCS)

FAU 15,903
Ga St- 15,015
Charlotte- 13,003


Average Basketball Attendance

Old Dominion- 6,560
Marshall- 5,433
Charlotte- 4,402

Buffalo- 3,836
Louisiana- 3,777
La Tech- 3,474
UAB- 3,091
So Miss- 3,072

North Texas- 2,523
Liberty- 2,299
Rice- 1,989
Ga St- 1,772

App St- 1,267
FAU- 1,219
UTSA- 1,087

The attendance figures came directly from the NCAA website.

The Ticket Sales, Donations, etc all come from USA Today! Info for Liberty and Rice are not available as they are private schools.

Average Ticket Sales Per Year

Old Dominion- $3,735,450
Marshall- $3,478,819

Louisiana- $2,761,438
So Miss- $2,693,467
App State- $2,332,468
UTSA- $2,142,369

La Tech- $1,803,163
Charlotte- $1,712,470
UAB- $1,539,626

FAU- $1,400,093
North Texas- $1,368,195
Buffalo- $1,1175,476

Ga St- $724,343


Average Contributions Per Year

Louisiana- $5,873,952
Old Dominion- $5,871,873
La Tech- $5,385,089

Charlotte- $4,778,017
UAB- $4,692,302


So Miss- $3,986,211
FAU- $3,913,376
App St- $3,792,858
Marshall- $3,248,220

UTSA- $2,710,193
North Texas- $2,302,246
Buffalo- $2,108,647

Ga St- $1,915,243


Average Rights/Licensing Per Year

North Texas- $5,829,322
Marshall- $5,787,459
UTSA- $5,721,966
So Miss- $5,215,197

Old Dominion- $4,993,182
App St- $4,219,673
Buffalo- $4,219,474
Louisiana- $4,011,099

FAU- $3,900,435
Charlotte- $3,800,225
UAB- $3,744,679
Ga St- $3,437,221
La Tech- $3,307,481


Percent of Budget Subsidized in 2019

La Tech- 43.92%
So Miss- 44.85%
Marshall- 47.78%

FAU- 57.03%
Louisiana- 57.22%
App St- 57.97%


Ga St- 60.39%
UTSA- 60.87%
Old Dominion- 61.3%
UAB- 63.32%
Charlotte- 68%
North Texas 68.95%
Buffalo- 69.88%



If I get the time I will look up weeks ranked, how many times finished the season ranked, highest rank, winning percentage etc. Not sure when I will have this much time again, but this is how I spent my Labor Day lol

Better than mine. I spent all day chasing down a covid test for one of my kids that we ultimately couldn't get, because everybody's closed.

This is amazing data.

Damn.

I hope little Riley is doing ok.

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(09-06-2021 07:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 07:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:44 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  All of these figures will be averages since 2014 which is the first year under the current re-alignment (minus the 2020 season due to COVID).

I see fans from multiple schools trying to use one year (if it benefits them or diminishes another). We can't look at just one single year to get a full picture so that is why I have compiled all of this data from 2014-2019 (Includes the 2019 season). So I decided to take the time and figure up the averages for each school over this time period. Averages are a lot better measuring stick as it's over a longer period of time.


Average Football Attendance


Marshall- 24,590
So Miss- 24,566
UAB- 24,196 (Only four seasons as they shut their program down for two years)
UTSA- 23,419
App St- 23,171
Rice- 20,177
Louisiana- 20,017

North Texas- 19,976
La Tech- 19,964
ODU- 19,273
Buffalo- 17,417
Liberty- 17,251 (3 years FCS)

FAU 15,903
Ga St- 15,015
Charlotte- 13,003


Average Basketball Attendance

Old Dominion- 6,560
Marshall- 5,433
Charlotte- 4,402

Buffalo- 3,836
Louisiana- 3,777
La Tech- 3,474
UAB- 3,091
So Miss- 3,072

North Texas- 2,523
Liberty- 2,299
Rice- 1,989
Ga St- 1,772

App St- 1,267
FAU- 1,219
UTSA- 1,087

The attendance figures came directly from the NCAA website.

The Ticket Sales, Donations, etc all come from USA Today! Info for Liberty and Rice are not available as they are private schools.

Average Ticket Sales Per Year

Old Dominion- $3,735,450
Marshall- $3,478,819

Louisiana- $2,761,438
So Miss- $2,693,467
App State- $2,332,468
UTSA- $2,142,369

La Tech- $1,803,163
Charlotte- $1,712,470
UAB- $1,539,626

FAU- $1,400,093
North Texas- $1,368,195
Buffalo- $1,1175,476

Ga St- $724,343


Average Contributions Per Year

Louisiana- $5,873,952
Old Dominion- $5,871,873
La Tech- $5,385,089

Charlotte- $4,778,017
UAB- $4,692,302


So Miss- $3,986,211
FAU- $3,913,376
App St- $3,792,858
Marshall- $3,248,220

UTSA- $2,710,193
North Texas- $2,302,246
Buffalo- $2,108,647

Ga St- $1,915,243


Average Rights/Licensing Per Year

North Texas- $5,829,322
Marshall- $5,787,459
UTSA- $5,721,966
So Miss- $5,215,197

Old Dominion- $4,993,182
App St- $4,219,673
Buffalo- $4,219,474
Louisiana- $4,011,099

FAU- $3,900,435
Charlotte- $3,800,225
UAB- $3,744,679
Ga St- $3,437,221
La Tech- $3,307,481


Percent of Budget Subsidized in 2019

La Tech- 43.92%
So Miss- 44.85%
Marshall- 47.78%

FAU- 57.03%
Louisiana- 57.22%
App St- 57.97%


Ga St- 60.39%
UTSA- 60.87%
Old Dominion- 61.3%
UAB- 63.32%
Charlotte- 68%
North Texas 68.95%
Buffalo- 69.88%



If I get the time I will look up weeks ranked, how many times finished the season ranked, highest rank, winning percentage etc. Not sure when I will have this much time again, but this is how I spent my Labor Day lol

Better than mine. I spent all day chasing down a covid test for one of my kids that we ultimately couldn't get, because everybody's closed.

This is amazing data.

Damn.

I hope little Riley is doing ok.

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Fever 102 and puking.

Couldn't get a test until tomorrow morning. Had to hold my business trip until we get a negative result. I'm hopeful we'll get a negative.

Anyway yeah, so talking about sports is definitely a good distraction.

(09-06-2021 07:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 07:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 07:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:44 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  All of these figures will be averages since 2014 which is the first year under the current re-alignment (minus the 2020 season due to COVID).

I see fans from multiple schools trying to use one year (if it benefits them or diminishes another). We can't look at just one single year to get a full picture so that is why I have compiled all of this data from 2014-2019 (Includes the 2019 season). So I decided to take the time and figure up the averages for each school over this time period. Averages are a lot better measuring stick as it's over a longer period of time.


Average Football Attendance


Marshall- 24,590
So Miss- 24,566
UAB- 24,196 (Only four seasons as they shut their program down for two years)
UTSA- 23,419
App St- 23,171
Rice- 20,177
Louisiana- 20,017

North Texas- 19,976
La Tech- 19,964
ODU- 19,273
Buffalo- 17,417
Liberty- 17,251 (3 years FCS)

FAU 15,903
Ga St- 15,015
Charlotte- 13,003


Average Basketball Attendance

Old Dominion- 6,560
Marshall- 5,433
Charlotte- 4,402

Buffalo- 3,836
Louisiana- 3,777
La Tech- 3,474
UAB- 3,091
So Miss- 3,072

North Texas- 2,523
Liberty- 2,299
Rice- 1,989
Ga St- 1,772

App St- 1,267
FAU- 1,219
UTSA- 1,087

The attendance figures came directly from the NCAA website.

The Ticket Sales, Donations, etc all come from USA Today! Info for Liberty and Rice are not available as they are private schools.

Average Ticket Sales Per Year

Old Dominion- $3,735,450
Marshall- $3,478,819

Louisiana- $2,761,438
So Miss- $2,693,467
App State- $2,332,468
UTSA- $2,142,369

La Tech- $1,803,163
Charlotte- $1,712,470
UAB- $1,539,626

FAU- $1,400,093
North Texas- $1,368,195
Buffalo- $1,1175,476

Ga St- $724,343


Average Contributions Per Year

Louisiana- $5,873,952
Old Dominion- $5,871,873
La Tech- $5,385,089

Charlotte- $4,778,017
UAB- $4,692,302


So Miss- $3,986,211
FAU- $3,913,376
App St- $3,792,858
Marshall- $3,248,220

UTSA- $2,710,193
North Texas- $2,302,246
Buffalo- $2,108,647

Ga St- $1,915,243


Average Rights/Licensing Per Year

North Texas- $5,829,322
Marshall- $5,787,459
UTSA- $5,721,966
So Miss- $5,215,197

Old Dominion- $4,993,182
App St- $4,219,673
Buffalo- $4,219,474
Louisiana- $4,011,099

FAU- $3,900,435
Charlotte- $3,800,225
UAB- $3,744,679
Ga St- $3,437,221
La Tech- $3,307,481


Percent of Budget Subsidized in 2019

La Tech- 43.92%
So Miss- 44.85%
Marshall- 47.78%

FAU- 57.03%
Louisiana- 57.22%
App St- 57.97%


Ga St- 60.39%
UTSA- 60.87%
Old Dominion- 61.3%
UAB- 63.32%
Charlotte- 68%
North Texas 68.95%
Buffalo- 69.88%



If I get the time I will look up weeks ranked, how many times finished the season ranked, highest rank, winning percentage etc. Not sure when I will have this much time again, but this is how I spent my Labor Day lol

Better than mine. I spent all day chasing down a covid test for one of my kids that we ultimately couldn't get, because everybody's closed.

This is amazing data.

Damn.

I hope little Riley is doing ok.

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Fever 102 and puking.

Couldn't get a test until tomorrow morning. Had to hold my business trip until we get a negative result. I'm hopeful we'll get a negative.

Anyway yeah, so talking about sports is definitely a good distraction.

This stuff is no joke. Godspeed to you and yours.

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(09-06-2021 07:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Fever 102 and puking.

Couldn't get a test until tomorrow morning. Had to hold my business trip until we get a negative result. I'm hopeful we'll get a negative.

Anyway yeah, so talking about sports is definitely a good distraction.

Best wishes for you youngin'

(09-06-2021 05:11 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 04:11 PM)banker Wrote:  Again, we would all be better off not jumping to the AAC and instead pushing for 3 regionally based conferences taking the AAC leftovers plus the Belt and CUSA. Those three conferences should then sign a scheduling and media rights agreement to leverage what little leverage we have.

The AAC, if it retools, will still be a horribly disjointed conference, much like CUSA. The money is going to drop and while it might be slightly better, not enough so to pay entry and exit fees.

Agreed with the regional conference idea, but it will be hard to stop an AD from jumping at an AAC invite, they'd certainly take heat if they passed and someone else from the conference jumped.

This is where it is very unfortunate that we have Judy. The three conference ADs should be meeting. Their goal should be making non P5 football as strong for the future as possible.

To ensure mutual survival they need to focus on building fan interest and overall marketability while lowering expenses. Having the AAC grab a few teams may not hurt the AAC more than they already will be, but it really isn’t going to help them either. It will hurt both the Belt and CUSA.

They need to drive fan growth and rivalries to entice fans to travel. That really can only happen if things get more regional.

Riley, be well. Prayers and wishes for a speedy recovery.

(09-06-2021 06:41 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Ok Lets bring some sanity to this thread, I can tell for 100% certainty that half that list is not even in consideration. App State, most definitely not Troy or ULL. No SBC or MAC


Back in 2005 UTEP was pick over Tech for CUSA. Those relationships still do exist and the Memphis president is gone.

Five schools that the AAC has reached out to:

Rice
UAB
Marshall
USM
Tech

It is coming down between Marshall, USM and Tech for the 3rd and 4th spot

UAB and Rice seem to be locks. These chancellors and President have totally different set of criteria that any y’all are considering. I can tell you for 100% certainty that App state and Troy are not even be considered regardless of how many Sunbelt wins these schools have, trust me They don’t care.

Not sure if you have any reliable sources but I'd wager you are very close. One can't discount the power of past rivalries and relationships, especially for Rice, UAB, Marshall, and USM that exist between the remaining AAC schools and those four schools. LaTech wasn't with the others so LaTech being in the discussion is likely for other reasons.

If those four were to rejoin their old friends, that leaves CUSA with 10.

CUSA teams that bolted to eventually form the AAC with other teams were:
Memphis, Houston, UCF, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa & ECU

That left USM, UAB, Marshall, Rice, and UTEP remaining in CUSA

CUSA filled those open slots with the three best all-around athletic programs from the SBC (WKU, MTSU, & NT) as well as the two Florida schools from the SBC. Then picked up LaTech, ODU, Charlotte, and UTSA from other places.

In your scenario four that were left out in the last round could now be accepted back into their little group. Interestingly, The SBC teams that joined have been generally successful in both major sports and made CUSA very viable and competitive, especially WKU, MTSU, NT, & FAU.

Can that 10 team core continue with success? Yes.

Did you really post all that about the "importance of past relationships " with the AAC teams and then not mention Charlotte, who has a longer history with most of those schools (especially within the last 30 years) than any of the schools you did list?

(09-06-2021 05:37 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 05:23 PM)roscoeowl Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 01:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at all schools that might be interested, the AAC could consider, and their Football success over the last 5 seasons plus factoring in stadium size here are my worthless ranking of the candidates

CUSA
UAB 34 - 16 .680 (45,000)
Marshall 35 - 26 .573 (38,019)
FAU 35 - 26 .573 (20,450)
WKU 34 - 30 .531 (22,000)
So. Miss 31 - 29 .517 (36,000)
N. Tx 31 - 31 .500 (30,850)
ODU 25 - 36 .410 (19,818)
Charlotte 19 - 36 .345 (15,314)
Rice 11 - 43 .204 (70,000)

SBC
App St. 52 - 13 .800 (24,050)
Louisiana 39 - 24 .619 (31,000)
Troy 41 - 22 .650 (30,000)
GA So. 32 - 31 .508 (24,300)
Coastal 24 - 24 .500 (21,000)

MAC
Buffalo 32 - 26 .551 (29,013)
N. IL 26 - 32 .448 (30,998)

SO, considering just this, I say UAB is a lock, Marshall (my biased opinion) App. St. but the 4th spot is a little tougher I guess it will be between (Rice, Charlotte, FAU, So. Miss and Louisiana). Given the AAC is losing most of its upper tier football schools, football will likely receive the highest weighting in who gets picked. CUSA, SBC schools that haven't had success in recent years won't get much consideration, with the exception of Rice and Charlotte due to their television markets. As far as MWC, I don't see any schools who would want to be considered, unless it's Air Force and Colorado St., there's always a chance the MWC will extend invites to Tulsa and SMU just to weaken AAC further.

FAU actually seats 30,000 not 20k. Just an FYI.

Sorry about that, fixed it, I guess the sports-reference.com website has old data.

They still have the old stadium:

Quote:Lockhart Stadium (cap. 20,450)