(09-07-2021 03:20 PM)Danforth Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 07:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The left has had two responses to criticism of Afghanistan:

1) It was Trump's idea.
2) It was a smashing success.

So, Trump's idea was a smashing success. Gotcha.

1. It wasn't Trump's idea. He just made the deal.

2. It was not a success. It was never going to be a success.

I continue to be impressed with the way Afghanistan is unfolding. What's important to note here is that we are OUT. No more billions per day being spent there funding terrorists in a creepy shell-game. But WAIT, there's MORE! The Taliban is kindler and gentler. They are actively assisting the U.S. in getting people out. Sure there are women's rights issues, but it's not that much different than any other Islamic country. Definitely nothing worth keeping troops there over, especially considering the GOP doesn't seem to care about women's rights here either. So nothing to see there.

I'd give Biden an A+ just on having the balls to pull out of Afghanistan alone. By far the best thing he has done as President so far. Amazing to see how the right is so brainwashed into believing otherwise. Absolutely Twilight Zone going on with that.

(10-22-2021 05:31 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 03:20 PM)Danforth Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 07:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The left has had two responses to criticism of Afghanistan:

1) It was Trump's idea.
2) It was a smashing success.

So, Trump's idea was a smashing success. Gotcha.

1. It wasn't Trump's idea. He just made the deal.

2. It was not a success. It was never going to be a success.

I continue to be impressed with the way Afghanistan is unfolding. What's important to note here is that we are OUT. No more billions per day being spent there funding terrorists in a creepy shell-game. But WAIT, there's MORE! The Taliban is kindler and gentler. They are actively assisting the U.S. in getting people out. Sure there are women's rights issues, but it's not that much different than any other Islamic country. Definitely nothing worth keeping troops there over, especially considering the GOP doesn't seem to care about women's rights here either. So nothing to see there.

I'd give Biden an A+ just on having the balls to pull out of Afghanistan alone. By far the best thing he has done as President so far. Amazing to see how the right is so brainwashed into believing otherwise. Absolutely Twilight Zone going on with that.

Gonna need your source on no more money going to Afghanistan. Taliban isn't "kinder and gentler" for free. They must be telling the people they burn in the street nicely they're going to suffer a cruel death.

(10-22-2021 05:31 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 03:20 PM)Danforth Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 07:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The left has had two responses to criticism of Afghanistan:

1) It was Trump's idea.
2) It was a smashing success.

So, Trump's idea was a smashing success. Gotcha.

1. It wasn't Trump's idea. He just made the deal.

2. It was not a success. It was never going to be a success.

I continue to be impressed with the way Afghanistan is unfolding. What's important to note here is that we are OUT. No more billions per day being spent there funding terrorists in a creepy shell-game. But WAIT, there's MORE! The Taliban is kindler and gentler. They are actively assisting the U.S. in getting people out. Sure there are women's rights issues, but it's not that much different than any other Islamic country. Definitely nothing worth keeping troops there over, especially considering the GOP doesn't seem to care about women's rights here either. So nothing to see there.

I'd give Biden an A+ just on having the balls to pull out of Afghanistan alone. By far the best thing he has done as President so far. Amazing to see how the right is so brainwashed into believing otherwise. Absolutely Twilight Zone going on with that.

IDK which is worse, you believing a **** ups **** up deserves an A+ or that you are responding to a comment made by someone who will never see it.

American Trapped in Afghanistan Pleads to Biden: ‘I Am Begging You to Get Us Home’

Quote:Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) on Thursday released a letter to President Joe Biden penned by an American citizen from San Diego, California, who is still trapped in Afghanistan alongside his wife.

“I am pleading with you again as a fellow proud American and as a husband to help my wife and I get home from Afghanistan,” the American citizen wrote in the October 15 letter to President Biden, weeks after the Biden administration’s botched withdrawal from the Taliban-controlled country.

The American explained that he and his wife risked their lives to get through Taliban checkpoints, only to discover that the October 4 flight was canceled “because passengers did not have visas for UAE, where the flight was to land.” Another flight left on October 11, but the American said they never received a call to go to the airport.

“The third scheduled for 13 October was apparently cancelled. We learned details of the latter flights from our Congressman, the Hon. Darrell Issa, who flew to Doha to meet us, and not from the DOS,” he continued, explaining these were not their only attempts made since August.

He continued:

We understood early on that one issue was my wife’s immigration status — she has been waiting for her green card interview since 2019. We understand that we will have to continue the process in a third country before we can come home, and have completed all the E-visa requirements as directed by DOS. We simply do not understand why we were not called for the flight on Monday, and the DOS cannot explain it to us or to Congressman Issa.

The information we’re receiving from DOS is not consistent with what is happening. They also continue to use WhatsApp to communicate with us, which, as evidenced by the blackout last week, is not secure or a reliable means of communication. I regretfully do not know whether to trust the DOS with our life and safety or to turn to other means to escape. This is not a position I would wish on anyone, and certainly not American citizens.

“There are a number of things for which we are grateful, however. We are fortunate to have our health,” he said, noting that he has been helping female Americans “without male escorts stuck in Kabul by retrieving critical medication from pharmacies.” He also expressed gratitude for the “support of veterans with which I served alongside and NGOs.”

“Those volunteers work 24 hours a day to help ensure our health and safety and that of the other Americans trapped here,” he said, begging the president to intervene.

“But I am an American and I am begging you to get us home. I know you will do the right thing, Sir,” he wrote.

In a statement, Issa said his office has continued to work to bring American citizens home from Afghanistan:

Throughout these efforts, we have seen the worst of the Biden Administration’s disorganized and ineffective efforts to bring our people home. The correspondence I am releasing today is difficult to read, as it captures what one of our fellow citizens is enduring in the aftermath of this President’s disastrously reckless Afghanistan pullout. No American should have to beg their President to bring them home from a dangerous foreign land. And yet, that is exactly what this member of our community and so many other American citizens may feel forced to do.

“Shame on this White House for its betrayal of our fellow citizens,” Issa said.

Last month, Issa announced the return of a pregnant American woman who was trapped in the country after Biden left hundreds of Americans behind to abide by the Taliban-approved timeline for withdrawal.

Meanwhile, the State Department has occupied itself with other matters, such as highlighting its devotion to “International Pronouns Day.”

State Dept ‘Off-the-Record’ Call Reveals Biden Admin is Lying About True Number of Americans Trapped in Afghanistan

Quote:The U.S. State Department recently hosted an ‘off-the-record’ call that reveals the true number of Americans the federal government believes are trapped in Afghanistan are as many as six times what the public has been told.

The White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki and State Department spokespersons have insistent for weeks that the number stranded in Afghanistan is around 100 Americans. The actual figure of approximately 600 Americans was revealed in an ‘off-the-record’ State Department call that was reported by the Washington Free Beacon.

The Biden administration is in touch with nearly 400 Americans who are stranded in Afghanistan, a figure that far exceeds the administration’s claims that about 100 Americans were left in the nation following the United States’ hurried exit from Kabul, according to a senior congressional source who was briefed Thursday by the State Department.

With Afghanistan in the administration’s rear-view mirror, U.S. officials are providing exact figures on the number of Americans who are still stranded and want to leave—although they are doing so in private, off-the-record forums—according to two senior congressional aides, who relayed the contents of the non-public call to the Washington Free Beacon.

These U.S. civilians have been at the mercy of the ruthless Taliban government and possible terrorist reprisal, despite the president’s promise to rescue them or leave a military presence that would secure their safe exit. The Free Beacon provides further details on what its Capitol Hil sources told it:

The United States is in touch with 363 Americans who are stuck in war-torn Afghanistan and around 176 U.S. permanent residents who are asking to be evacuated immediately, Biden administration officials said on the call with congressional staff, according to the source, who requested anonymity to discuss non-public information. These figures demonstrate that senior Biden administration officials routinely misrepresented the number of stranded Americans to the public and Congress for nearly two months.

The State Department further claims to have airlifted 218 U.S. citizens and 131 long-term permanent residents out of Afghanistan since Aug. 31, when senior Biden administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken and White House press secretary Jen Psaki, were publicly claiming that “around 100” Americans were still stuck in the nation. Psaki, for instance, said last month that only “a handful of American citizens” were trying to leave Afghanistan after the United States pulled its forces. The figures presented in Thursday’s briefing indicate the administration was citing the “around 100” talking point while privately being aware of nearly 600 Americans still inside Afghanistan.

“We now know this administration repeatedly lied to the world about the citizens of our country it abandoned in Afghanistan,” Rep. Darrell Issa (R.-CA), whose office has assisted with evacuating Americans, told the Free Beacon. “But it did something even worse: It broke a sacred bond of trust between Americans and their government. This isn’t close to over.”

In September, Becker News first reported that the State Department blocked private and humanitarian flights in and out of Afghanistan. Fox News later obtained leaked internal emails that provided further proof that the State Department hindered Americans’ efforts to exit the country.

Also in early September, a ‘hostage crisis’ was reported at Mazar-i-Sharif airport in Northern Afghanistan, where the Taliban grounded flights of U.S. civilians seeking to flee the country.

“CBS has learned multiple flights are being held on the ground at the Mazar-i-Sharif airport in Northern Afghanistan… by the Taliban,” Eena Ruffini reported. “An email from the State Department to members of congress — and viewed by CBS — acknowledged that charter flights are still on the ground at the Mazar-i-Sharif airstrip and have permission to land in Doha ‘if and when the Taliban agrees to takeoff’.’

“The State Department advised members of congress to tell groups seeking to evacuate out of Mazar-i-Sharif that the US does not have personnel on the ground in that location and does not control the airspace,” Ruffini added. “Congressional and NGO sources say here are at least two physical plans on the ground and six more with approved clearance. The obstacle is the Taliban — which controls the airport and is not letting people board or the planes take off.”

The Biden administration consistently downplayed there was any crisis in the wartorn country where the U.S. had fought for nearly two decades. In August, CNN debunked Psaki’s earlier claim that no Americans were “stranded” in Afghanistan.

In early September, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki was pressed on “Morning Joe” to reassure Americans the Biden administration was “close” to getting all Americans who wanted to leave out of Afghanistan.

“But is it fair to say you’re getting close with this flight and perhaps others to getting every American who wants to leave Afghanistan out of the country,” Willie Geist asked. “Are you close?”

“That’s what we’re working toward, absolutely,” Psaki said.

“And are you close now?” Geist pressed.

“We’re getting closer,” Psaki responded.

It is now late October. Soon it will be November. There has been an ongoing crisis in Afghanistan impacting Americans left behind by the Biden administration this entire time. President Biden not only didn’t believe this was enough of an urgent matter to bring to the full attention of the American people, it appears his administration has done very little to remedy the situation.

President Biden took a huge hit to his approval ratings beginning with the chaotic Afghanistan exit. The U.S. news media’s subsequent void on Afghanistan coverage followed these tanking Biden approval ratings. As Becker News reported exclusively earlier, multiple Pentagon sources reported there was a “lockdown” on all Requests for Information (RFIs) after the Afghanistan military withdrawal.

“The White House Counsel (via the National Security Council’s legal department) told multiple federal agencies and departments not to respond to Afghanistan correspondence, with more guidance to follow,” Pentagon sources confirmed.

The White House thus had issued the internal order to “ghost” the media seeking truthful and accurate information on Afghanistan. It appears the U.S. media have fallen in line and have left Americans in the dark and behind enemy lines.

(10-22-2021 06:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 05:31 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 03:20 PM)Danforth Wrote:  

(09-07-2021 07:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The left has had two responses to criticism of Afghanistan:

1) It was Trump's idea.
2) It was a smashing success.

So, Trump's idea was a smashing success. Gotcha.

1. It wasn't Trump's idea. He just made the deal.

2. It was not a success. It was never going to be a success.

I continue to be impressed with the way Afghanistan is unfolding. What's important to note here is that we are OUT. No more billions per day being spent there funding terrorists in a creepy shell-game. But WAIT, there's MORE! The Taliban is kindler and gentler. They are actively assisting the U.S. in getting people out. Sure there are women's rights issues, but it's not that much different than any other Islamic country. Definitely nothing worth keeping troops there over, especially considering the GOP doesn't seem to care about women's rights here either. So nothing to see there.

I'd give Biden an A+ just on having the balls to pull out of Afghanistan alone. By far the best thing he has done as President so far. Amazing to see how the right is so brainwashed into believing otherwise. Absolutely Twilight Zone going on with that.

IDK which is worse, you believing a **** ups **** up deserves an A+ or that you are responding to a comment made by someone who will never see it.

American Trapped in Afghanistan Pleads to Biden: ‘I Am Begging You to Get Us Home’

Quote:Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) on Thursday released a letter to President Joe Biden penned by an American citizen from San Diego, California, who is still trapped in Afghanistan alongside his wife.

“I am pleading with you again as a fellow proud American and as a husband to help my wife and I get home from Afghanistan,” the American citizen wrote in the October 15 letter to President Biden, weeks after the Biden administration’s botched withdrawal from the Taliban-controlled country.

The American explained that he and his wife risked their lives to get through Taliban checkpoints, only to discover that the October 4 flight was canceled “because passengers did not have visas for UAE, where the flight was to land.” Another flight left on October 11, but the American said they never received a call to go to the airport.

“The third scheduled for 13 October was apparently cancelled. We learned details of the latter flights from our Congressman, the Hon. Darrell Issa, who flew to Doha to meet us, and not from the DOS,” he continued, explaining these were not their only attempts made since August.

He continued:

We understood early on that one issue was my wife’s immigration status — she has been waiting for her green card interview since 2019. We understand that we will have to continue the process in a third country before we can come home, and have completed all the E-visa requirements as directed by DOS. We simply do not understand why we were not called for the flight on Monday, and the DOS cannot explain it to us or to Congressman Issa.

The information we’re receiving from DOS is not consistent with what is happening. They also continue to use WhatsApp to communicate with us, which, as evidenced by the blackout last week, is not secure or a reliable means of communication. I regretfully do not know whether to trust the DOS with our life and safety or to turn to other means to escape. This is not a position I would wish on anyone, and certainly not American citizens.

“There are a number of things for which we are grateful, however. We are fortunate to have our health,” he said, noting that he has been helping female Americans “without male escorts stuck in Kabul by retrieving critical medication from pharmacies.” He also expressed gratitude for the “support of veterans with which I served alongside and NGOs.”

“Those volunteers work 24 hours a day to help ensure our health and safety and that of the other Americans trapped here,” he said, begging the president to intervene.

“But I am an American and I am begging you to get us home. I know you will do the right thing, Sir,” he wrote.

In a statement, Issa said his office has continued to work to bring American citizens home from Afghanistan:

Throughout these efforts, we have seen the worst of the Biden Administration’s disorganized and ineffective efforts to bring our people home. The correspondence I am releasing today is difficult to read, as it captures what one of our fellow citizens is enduring in the aftermath of this President’s disastrously reckless Afghanistan pullout. No American should have to beg their President to bring them home from a dangerous foreign land. And yet, that is exactly what this member of our community and so many other American citizens may feel forced to do.

“Shame on this White House for its betrayal of our fellow citizens,” Issa said.

Last month, Issa announced the return of a pregnant American woman who was trapped in the country after Biden left hundreds of Americans behind to abide by the Taliban-approved timeline for withdrawal.

Meanwhile, the State Department has occupied itself with other matters, such as highlighting its devotion to “International Pronouns Day.”

State Dept ‘Off-the-Record’ Call Reveals Biden Admin is Lying About True Number of Americans Trapped in Afghanistan

Quote:The U.S. State Department recently hosted an ‘off-the-record’ call that reveals the true number of Americans the federal government believes are trapped in Afghanistan are as many as six times what the public has been told.

The White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki and State Department spokespersons have insistent for weeks that the number stranded in Afghanistan is around 100 Americans. The actual figure of approximately 600 Americans was revealed in an ‘off-the-record’ State Department call that was reported by the Washington Free Beacon.

The Biden administration is in touch with nearly 400 Americans who are stranded in Afghanistan, a figure that far exceeds the administration’s claims that about 100 Americans were left in the nation following the United States’ hurried exit from Kabul, according to a senior congressional source who was briefed Thursday by the State Department.

With Afghanistan in the administration’s rear-view mirror, U.S. officials are providing exact figures on the number of Americans who are still stranded and want to leave—although they are doing so in private, off-the-record forums—according to two senior congressional aides, who relayed the contents of the non-public call to the Washington Free Beacon.

These U.S. civilians have been at the mercy of the ruthless Taliban government and possible terrorist reprisal, despite the president’s promise to rescue them or leave a military presence that would secure their safe exit. The Free Beacon provides further details on what its Capitol Hil sources told it:

The United States is in touch with 363 Americans who are stuck in war-torn Afghanistan and around 176 U.S. permanent residents who are asking to be evacuated immediately, Biden administration officials said on the call with congressional staff, according to the source, who requested anonymity to discuss non-public information. These figures demonstrate that senior Biden administration officials routinely misrepresented the number of stranded Americans to the public and Congress for nearly two months.

The State Department further claims to have airlifted 218 U.S. citizens and 131 long-term permanent residents out of Afghanistan since Aug. 31, when senior Biden administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken and White House press secretary Jen Psaki, were publicly claiming that “around 100” Americans were still stuck in the nation. Psaki, for instance, said last month that only “a handful of American citizens” were trying to leave Afghanistan after the United States pulled its forces. The figures presented in Thursday’s briefing indicate the administration was citing the “around 100” talking point while privately being aware of nearly 600 Americans still inside Afghanistan.

“We now know this administration repeatedly lied to the world about the citizens of our country it abandoned in Afghanistan,” Rep. Darrell Issa (R.-CA), whose office has assisted with evacuating Americans, told the Free Beacon. “But it did something even worse: It broke a sacred bond of trust between Americans and their government. This isn’t close to over.”

In September, Becker News first reported that the State Department blocked private and humanitarian flights in and out of Afghanistan. Fox News later obtained leaked internal emails that provided further proof that the State Department hindered Americans’ efforts to exit the country.

Also in early September, a ‘hostage crisis’ was reported at Mazar-i-Sharif airport in Northern Afghanistan, where the Taliban grounded flights of U.S. civilians seeking to flee the country.

“CBS has learned multiple flights are being held on the ground at the Mazar-i-Sharif airport in Northern Afghanistan… by the Taliban,” Eena Ruffini reported. “An email from the State Department to members of congress — and viewed by CBS — acknowledged that charter flights are still on the ground at the Mazar-i-Sharif airstrip and have permission to land in Doha ‘if and when the Taliban agrees to takeoff’.’

“The State Department advised members of congress to tell groups seeking to evacuate out of Mazar-i-Sharif that the US does not have personnel on the ground in that location and does not control the airspace,” Ruffini added. “Congressional and NGO sources say here are at least two physical plans on the ground and six more with approved clearance. The obstacle is the Taliban — which controls the airport and is not letting people board or the planes take off.”

The Biden administration consistently downplayed there was any crisis in the wartorn country where the U.S. had fought for nearly two decades. In August, CNN debunked Psaki’s earlier claim that no Americans were “stranded” in Afghanistan.

In early September, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki was pressed on “Morning Joe” to reassure Americans the Biden administration was “close” to getting all Americans who wanted to leave out of Afghanistan.

“But is it fair to say you’re getting close with this flight and perhaps others to getting every American who wants to leave Afghanistan out of the country,” Willie Geist asked. “Are you close?”

“That’s what we’re working toward, absolutely,” Psaki said.

“And are you close now?” Geist pressed.

“We’re getting closer,” Psaki responded.

It is now late October. Soon it will be November. There has been an ongoing crisis in Afghanistan impacting Americans left behind by the Biden administration this entire time. President Biden not only didn’t believe this was enough of an urgent matter to bring to the full attention of the American people, it appears his administration has done very little to remedy the situation.

President Biden took a huge hit to his approval ratings beginning with the chaotic Afghanistan exit. The U.S. news media’s subsequent void on Afghanistan coverage followed these tanking Biden approval ratings. As Becker News reported exclusively earlier, multiple Pentagon sources reported there was a “lockdown” on all Requests for Information (RFIs) after the Afghanistan military withdrawal.

“The White House Counsel (via the National Security Council’s legal department) told multiple federal agencies and departments not to respond to Afghanistan correspondence, with more guidance to follow,” Pentagon sources confirmed.

The White House thus had issued the internal order to “ghost” the media seeking truthful and accurate information on Afghanistan. It appears the U.S. media have fallen in line and have left Americans in the dark and behind enemy lines.

First, who cares if the person I respond to ever sees it? The point of the reply is for everyone who chooses to see it, can do so.

Second, let me get this straight. Are you arguing we should still be in Afghanistan? If not, then what's your point in linking the above articles?! It's actually irrelevant how kind or how gentle the Taliban is. We were funding them when we were there. We are NOT funding them now. How is that not an A+ for anyone who made that happen?

As far as the handful of remaining Americans left, the vast majority are dual citizens with deep roots and family connections there who weren't even sure they wanted to leave. Are you suggesting we should have poured billions into both our military AND the Taliban to stay there for another month, two months (or how long exactly are you suggesting?) to wait for them to decide?!

Quote:Fox News Digital Originals reviews the fall of Kabul and the hectic and heroic 96-hour effort to evacuate Afghans fearing retribution from the Taliban.

(10-23-2021 10:13 PM)scorpius Wrote:  As far as the handful of remaining Americans left, the vast majority are dual citizens with deep roots and family connections there who weren't even sure they wanted to leave. Are you suggesting we should have poured billions into both our military AND the Taliban to stay there for another month, two months (or how long exactly are you suggesting?) to wait for them to decide?!

And you know this how? There are indeed some still there that are dual citizens but there are many others that are stranded that are not dual citizens. You probably know this. If you don't you need better sources.

That you feel the need to celebrate a disastrous withdrawl that documentation proves was a clusterfark shows you are not a serious person. This isn't about funding. Emails show that the administration did NOT CARE who got on those flights - it did not prioritize Americans. Just said fill the planes. Yet YOU celebrate that we are out, ignoring that President Dementia's orders did not specify getting Americans out first.

(11-06-2021 02:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:13 PM)scorpius Wrote:  As far as the handful of remaining Americans left, the vast majority are dual citizens with deep roots and family connections there who weren't even sure they wanted to leave. Are you suggesting we should have poured billions into both our military AND the Taliban to stay there for another month, two months (or how long exactly are you suggesting?) to wait for them to decide?!

And you know this how? There are indeed some still there that are dual citizens but there are many others that are stranded that are not dual citizens. You probably know this. If you don't you need better sources.

That you feel the need to celebrate a disastrous withdrawl that documentation proves was a clusterfark shows you are not a serious person. This isn't about funding. Emails show that the administration did NOT CARE who got on those flights - it did not prioritize Americans. Just said fill the planes. Yet YOU celebrate that we are out, ignoring that President Dementia's orders did not specify getting Americans out first.

There are commercial flights going there again and the Taliban are not preventing any US citizens from leaving because they badly need the humanitarian aid. You can criticize the withdrawal all you want, but reality is it's an overwhelming positive that we are out and no more military are dying over there. Would have been reckless and irresponsible to spend another dollar or another day over there with our military just like it was for the past decade since Bin Laden was captured. I predict our embassy over there will be opening back up by the time Biden leaves office.

(11-06-2021 05:30 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 02:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:13 PM)scorpius Wrote:  As far as the handful of remaining Americans left, the vast majority are dual citizens with deep roots and family connections there who weren't even sure they wanted to leave. Are you suggesting we should have poured billions into both our military AND the Taliban to stay there for another month, two months (or how long exactly are you suggesting?) to wait for them to decide?!

And you know this how? There are indeed some still there that are dual citizens but there are many others that are stranded that are not dual citizens. You probably know this. If you don't you need better sources.

That you feel the need to celebrate a disastrous withdrawl that documentation proves was a clusterfark shows you are not a serious person. This isn't about funding. Emails show that the administration did NOT CARE who got on those flights - it did not prioritize Americans. Just said fill the planes. Yet YOU celebrate that we are out, ignoring that President Dementia's orders did not specify getting Americans out first.

There are commercial flights going there again and the Taliban are not preventing any US citizens from leaving because they badly need the humanitarian aid. You can criticize the withdrawal all you want, but reality is it's an overwhelming positive that we are out and no more military are dying over there. Would have been reckless and irresponsible to spend another dollar or another day over there with our military just like it was for the past decade since Bin Laden was captured. I predict our embassy over there will be opening back up by the time Biden leaves office.

Is it? Its better? You are quite the Jen Psaki. The FACT is NO AMERICAN soliders had died there since Feb of 2020. So NO---losing 10 people needlessly was not "better" today than it was before your favorite vegetable took over the oval office.

(11-06-2021 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 05:30 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 02:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:13 PM)scorpius Wrote:  As far as the handful of remaining Americans left, the vast majority are dual citizens with deep roots and family connections there who weren't even sure they wanted to leave. Are you suggesting we should have poured billions into both our military AND the Taliban to stay there for another month, two months (or how long exactly are you suggesting?) to wait for them to decide?!

And you know this how? There are indeed some still there that are dual citizens but there are many others that are stranded that are not dual citizens. You probably know this. If you don't you need better sources.

That you feel the need to celebrate a disastrous withdrawl that documentation proves was a clusterfark shows you are not a serious person. This isn't about funding. Emails show that the administration did NOT CARE who got on those flights - it did not prioritize Americans. Just said fill the planes. Yet YOU celebrate that we are out, ignoring that President Dementia's orders did not specify getting Americans out first.

There are commercial flights going there again and the Taliban are not preventing any US citizens from leaving because they badly need the humanitarian aid. You can criticize the withdrawal all you want, but reality is it's an overwhelming positive that we are out and no more military are dying over there. Would have been reckless and irresponsible to spend another dollar or another day over there with our military just like it was for the past decade since Bin Laden was captured. I predict our embassy over there will be opening back up by the time Biden leaves office.

Is it? Its better? You are quite the Jen Psaki. The FACT is NO AMERICAN soliders had died there since Feb of 2020. So NO---losing 10 people needlessly was not "better" today than it was before your favorite vegetable took over the oval office.

No one can predict deaths in war. We can predict the certainty of life when we end a war and compromise. Too bad you're unable to understand that. If death mattered to you so much, why don't you support spending those billions per day we spent in Afghanistan on universal healthcare as a right like most of the rest of the world? We'd literally save COUNTLESS lives, including countless veterans, if we did that. That right wing propaganda has twisted your morality. It's most evident when you start trying to cherry pick deaths as a measure of success. You will lose on that argument every time.

(10-23-2021 10:13 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 06:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  [quote='scorpius' pid='17763224' dateline='1634941890']
[quote='Danforth' pid='17611507' dateline='1631046008']
[quote='Owl 69/70/75' pid='17609708' dateline='1631016109']
The left has had two responses to criticism of Afghanistan:

First, who cares if the person I respond to ever sees it? The point of the reply is for everyone who chooses to see it, can do so.

Second, let me get this straight. Are you arguing we should still be in Afghanistan? If not, then what's your point in linking the above articles?! It's actually irrelevant how kind or how gentle the Taliban is. We were funding them when we were there. We are NOT funding them now. How is that not an A+ for anyone who made that happen?

As far as the handful of remaining Americans left, the vast majority are dual citizens with deep roots and family connections there who weren't even sure they wanted to leave. Are you suggesting we should have poured billions into both our military AND the Taliban to stay there for another month, two months (or how long exactly are you suggesting?) to wait for them to decide?!

Truncation is your friend...

Why you guys engage the fool otherwise known as Scrotius is beyond me. He is the epitome of the quote from Mark Twain about arguing with stupid people.

(11-08-2021 07:37 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Why you guys engage the fool otherwise known as Scrotius is beyond me. He is the epitome of the quote from Mark Twain about arguing with stupid people.

This thread is certainly one that will age really well for me. It's like if we had a thread complaining about leaving Vietnam back in the 70's. I bet there would STILL be people on here arguing against that still to this day. They are the ones who look like fools. Not the ones like me who are beyond belief there are actually those who want to stay in these quagmires.

(11-09-2021 04:04 AM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 07:37 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Why you guys engage the fool otherwise known as Scrotius is beyond me. He is the epitome of the quote from Mark Twain about arguing with stupid people.

This thread is certainly one that will age really well for me. It's like...

that was enough...

This guy is light in the shorts. He thinks people here are complaining about us being out of Afghanistan. Impossible to get through to it.

It's pretty rare when a President has the opportunity to take a bold action that really matters to the future of the country and the world, whether it's good or bad. Biden getting us out of Afghanistan with grit and determination, and without hesitation is one of the most notable positive moves by a President in decades. It's complete insanity how anyone could twist it any other way.