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(08-27-2021 08:00 AM)Cowboy Frog Wrote:  Houston would have become a Big 12 member in 2016 …except for TEXAS opposition ..
Houston would have become a B-12 member but tech and baylor were invited ?
Houston would have become a B-12 member but WV was invited???
Houston would have become a B-12 member but TCU was invited?

It wasn't always texas doing this...

In the case those of those first two invites and not Houston ... the "Texas" opposition in that case were Baylor and Texas Tech alums as Lt. Governor and in key positions in the Texas State Ledge, not that other "Texas" which recently announced it's skedaddling to the SEC.

The alternative was not Houston getting invited, it was the original plan where just Texas and Texas A&M would be going and leaving all of the other Texas schools behind.

That is not true. UH TTech, TCU and Baylor were being considered for last 2 spots after UT and A&M. UH was favored for the 4th spot over Baylor but the political power at the time belonged to Baylor and TTech.

UH did have poor leadership at the time though.
No. According to the UT president, Bill Cunningham, in going to 12, Tech was #11 and it was between Baylor and TCU. UH was a mess at the time. Had it happened 4 years before it would have been different.
According to Castiglione from Missouri it was UT, A&M, Tech and Houston.

But you are right Bill does claim what you wrote.
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I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.
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Houston “adds value” yet they werent invited. That tells us they dont add all that much value then.
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(08-28-2021 02:24 PM)Econcoog Wrote:  
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(08-27-2021 08:12 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Houston would have become a B-12 member but tech and baylor were invited ?
Houston would have become a B-12 member but WV was invited???
Houston would have become a B-12 member but TCU was invited?

It wasn't always texas doing this...

In the case those of those first two invites and not Houston ... the "Texas" opposition in that case were Baylor and Texas Tech alums as Lt. Governor and in key positions in the Texas State Ledge, not that other "Texas" which recently announced it's skedaddling to the SEC.

The alternative was not Houston getting invited, it was the original plan where just Texas and Texas A&M would be going and leaving all of the other Texas schools behind.

That is not true. UH TTech, TCU and Baylor were being considered for last 2 spots after UT and A&M. UH was favored for the 4th spot over Baylor but the political power at the time belonged to Baylor and TTech.

UH did have poor leadership at the time though.
No. According to the UT president, Bill Cunningham, in going to 12, Tech was #11 and it was between Baylor and TCU. UH was a mess at the time. Had it happened 4 years before it would have been different.
According to Castiglione from Missouri it was UT, A&M, Tech and Houston.

But you are right Bill does claim what you wrote.

No. I hate revisionist history.
Houston was never considered as an option for the big 12.
Wish some Houston fans old enough to be there would back me up on this
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(08-27-2021 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  FWIW, I like Wilner a lot, he seems to have good sources and insights.

I am surprised that Houston rated so highly for the PAC. I would have expected them to rate highly for the rump B12.

Why? It would really help in recruiting compared to the other Texas teams and the ratings would get better.
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That's noot Pac-12 research, that is Wilner's speculation and his own cursory examination. He rates the Houston market but doesn't look at the actual ratings value of Houston -- everything could apply to Rice or Baylor. He doesn't consider attendance or donation levels as indications of support. If he did Houston would drop precipitously, certainly behind Texas Tech and Oklahoma State among others. He also only looked at Carnegie ratings not at the relative research levels (heck Oklahoma State and Memphis are R1, and so is much higher level of research Colorado State). If he did he'd see Houston is well below every Pac-12 school in R&D (not a fit in what counts). He also did the opposite of what most analysts do, which is exclude the Medical school because it produces pretty much zero athletic dollars or support and inflates the research level of the school. Instead he gave it bonus points.

But it is what it is. The key take away for me is that none of the Big 12 schools provided the value Wilner was looking for. So much so the a "future potential reach pick" was worth more in his eyes. And largely because the Pac-12 in his (correct) estimation eliminates the better available candidates in it's footprint for various reasons (e.g., SDSU and BYU).

This tells me no candidates are worth considering for the Pac-12. Keep in mind the entire exercise of looking at expansion was not done for the schools of the Pac-12 but for the new commissioner's benefit, to help him understand his constituents and the landscape.
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RE: PAC Research indicated Houston would be best ..Also Kansas and TCU
(08-28-2021 06:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  That's noot Pac-12 research, that is Wilner's speculation and his own cursory examination. He rates the Houston market but doesn't look at the actual ratings value of Houston -- everything could apply to Rice or Baylor. He doesn't consider attendance or donation levels as indications of support. If he did Houston would drop precipitously, certainly behind Texas Tech and Oklahoma State among others. He also only looked at Carnegie ratings not at the relative research levels (heck Oklahoma State and Memphis are R1, and so is much higher level of research Colorado State). If he did he'd see Houston is well below every Pac-12 school in R&D (not a fit in what counts). He also did the opposite of what most analysts do, which is exclude the Medical school because it produces pretty much zero athletic dollars or support and inflates the research level of the school. Instead he gave it bonus points.

But it is what it is. The key take away for me is that none of the Big 12 schools provided the value Wilner was looking for. So much so the a "future potential reach pick" was worth more in his eyes. And largely because the Pac-12 in his (correct) estimation eliminates the better available candidates in it's footprint for various reasons (e.g., SDSU and BYU).

This tells me no candidates are worth considering for the Pac-12. Keep in mind the entire exercise of looking at expansion was not done for the schools of the Pac-12 but for the new commissioner's benefit, to help him understand his constituents and the landscape.

ARWU ranks Houston at 63-89 with Iowa, Kansas, Miami, Mizzou, Oregon State, and Colorado State. They rank them ahead of WSU, Oregon, and Iowa State.

National Science Foundation ranks Houston at 125 for total R&D spending.
Baylor is 237, Bama is 179, Oregon is 159, West Va is 117, Ok State is 114, TT is 113, KSU is 109, ND is 101, Oregon State is 87, Kansas is 78, Washington State is 66.

Other than Texas, much about Houston is much more akin to the California schools, ASU, and U of Washington not the least reason of which is that Houston in the most diverse City in the United States and not a ethnic, social, religious, and cultural monoculture as many towns are in the B12.

The hating on Houston always puzzles me but when you take into account how unlike the rest of Texas or the Great Plains or Midwest well you might have an answer.
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(08-28-2021 05:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-28-2021 02:24 PM)Econcoog Wrote:  
(08-28-2021 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-28-2021 11:54 AM)Econcoog Wrote:  
(08-27-2021 08:35 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  In the case those of those first two invites and not Houston ... the "Texas" opposition in that case were Baylor and Texas Tech alums as Lt. Governor and in key positions in the Texas State Ledge, not that other "Texas" which recently announced it's skedaddling to the SEC.

The alternative was not Houston getting invited, it was the original plan where just Texas and Texas A&M would be going and leaving all of the other Texas schools behind.

That is not true. UH TTech, TCU and Baylor were being considered for last 2 spots after UT and A&M. UH was favored for the 4th spot over Baylor but the political power at the time belonged to Baylor and TTech.

UH did have poor leadership at the time though.
No. According to the UT president, Bill Cunningham, in going to 12, Tech was #11 and it was between Baylor and TCU. UH was a mess at the time. Had it happened 4 years before it would have been different.
According to Castiglione from Missouri it was UT, A&M, Tech and Houston.

But you are right Bill does claim what you wrote.

No. I hate revisionist history.
Houston was never considered as an option for the big 12.
Wish some Houston fans old enough to be there would back me up on this

I found this after doing a quick Google search.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/...swc-merger

Seemed like they were considered and one take pointed out Baylor and Tech's political position at the time played a part in their inclusion.
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(08-28-2021 02:51 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.

With UT and OU bolting I no longer find the big12 sexy enough, it would be poor thinking on Houston current administration part in pursuing membership on a shattered unstable league.

That being said, you bring up good level headed points about the big12 advantage and disadvantages on why Houston will be an important target but here hope Houston shifts focus for the PAC instead.

One other thing... What happens IF Kansas bolts too?? I think the big12 is all but done if Kansas leaves.
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(08-28-2021 02:51 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.

With UT and OU bolting I no longer find the big12 sexy enough, it would be poor thinking on Houston current administration part in pursuing membership on a shattered unstable league.

That being said, you bring up good level headed points about the big12 advantage and disadvantages on why Houston will be an important target but here hope Houston shifts focus for the PAC instead.

One other thing... What happens IF Kansas bolts too?? I think the big12 is all but done if Kansas leaves.

I think you're right regarding U of H. They should shoot for the Pac, but take the opportunity to move to the B12 if presented. I also believe that KU, in spite of its putrid football program, is the school with the most opportunity to find a home outside the current B12.

I'm not sure what is behind the leaks of negative discussions between B12 schools and Tilman Fertitta. Is it Tech/Baylor/TCU not wanting to deal with him on behalf of U of H?
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Are the other 7 schools going to quit playing sports if Kansas leaves? The Big 12 will be ‘done’ when the super-majority agree to disband. Even then, there is value is selling off a conference with an auto bid.

Houston may not be keen on joining the Big 12, but does it have a better plan? Would plan A be to poach 5 schools from the XII?? Even if the AAC stood united, BYU and 1 other would join the XII and the AAC would be left as-is.
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(08-29-2021 11:49 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(08-28-2021 02:51 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.

With UT and OU bolting I no longer find the big12 sexy enough, it would be poor thinking on Houston current administration part in pursuing membership on a shattered unstable league.

That being said, you bring up good level headed points about the big12 advantage and disadvantages on why Houston will be an important target but here hope Houston shifts focus for the PAC instead.

One other thing... What happens IF Kansas bolts too?? I think the big12 is all but done if Kansas leaves.

Nobody in the G5 or remaining Big XII will be called up by the Pac, B1G or ACC. Kansas isnt going anywhere.

You say the Big XII is unstable, well, lets see how many AAC teams jump to it. Because some will.
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(08-29-2021 12:00 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 11:49 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(08-28-2021 02:51 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.

With UT and OU bolting I no longer find the big12 sexy enough, it would be poor thinking on Houston current administration part in pursuing membership on a shattered unstable league.

That being said, you bring up good level headed points about the big12 advantage and disadvantages on why Houston will be an important target but here hope Houston shifts focus for the PAC instead.

One other thing... What happens IF Kansas bolts too?? I think the big12 is all but done if Kansas leaves.

Nobody in the G5 or remaining Big XII will be called up by the Pac, B1G or ACC. Kansas isnt going anywhere.

You say the Big XII is unstable, well, lets see how many AAC teams jump to it. Because some will.
Wow goshlee, are you an insider at all these Institutions or where ya get your information or mybe you think we are all going to believe you because?, i mean you are sooooo certain...
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(08-29-2021 12:53 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 12:00 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 11:49 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(08-28-2021 02:51 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.

With UT and OU bolting I no longer find the big12 sexy enough, it would be poor thinking on Houston current administration part in pursuing membership on a shattered unstable league.

That being said, you bring up good level headed points about the big12 advantage and disadvantages on why Houston will be an important target but here hope Houston shifts focus for the PAC instead.

One other thing... What happens IF Kansas bolts too?? I think the big12 is all but done if Kansas leaves.

Nobody in the G5 or remaining Big XII will be called up by the Pac, B1G or ACC. Kansas isnt going anywhere.

You say the Big XII is unstable, well, lets see how many AAC teams jump to it. Because some will.
Wow goshlee, are you an insider at all these Institution or where ya get your information or mybe you think we are all going to believe you because?

Look man, just wait and see if you dont believe me. Money rules the realignment world and none of these schools are worth an add.

Enough with the “The big 12 is going to dissolve and they will all find a new home !”
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(08-28-2021 02:24 PM)Econcoog Wrote:  
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(08-28-2021 11:54 AM)Econcoog Wrote:  
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(08-27-2021 08:12 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Houston would have become a B-12 member but tech and baylor were invited ?
Houston would have become a B-12 member but WV was invited???
Houston would have become a B-12 member but TCU was invited?

It wasn't always texas doing this...

In the case those of those first two invites and not Houston ... the "Texas" opposition in that case were Baylor and Texas Tech alums as Lt. Governor and in key positions in the Texas State Ledge, not that other "Texas" which recently announced it's skedaddling to the SEC.

The alternative was not Houston getting invited, it was the original plan where just Texas and Texas A&M would be going and leaving all of the other Texas schools behind.

That is not true. UH TTech, TCU and Baylor were being considered for last 2 spots after UT and A&M. UH was favored for the 4th spot over Baylor but the political power at the time belonged to Baylor and TTech.

UH did have poor leadership at the time though.
No. According to the UT president, Bill Cunningham, in going to 12, Tech was #11 and it was between Baylor and TCU. UH was a mess at the time. Had it happened 4 years before it would have been different.
According to Castiglione from Missouri it was UT, A&M, Tech and Houston.

But you are right Bill does claim what you wrote.

No, that is what he "assumed." Missouri was out of the loop. As Chuck Neinas said, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas were driving the show. There's a long interview with the KSU president out there and he was surprised when it wasn't a 16 team conference.
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(08-27-2021 07:00 AM)Cowboy Frog Wrote:  I have heard that the PAC has been looking at Houston ever since they were passed on by the BIG 12 …They just could NOT come up with a second school … They could NOT get passed the “Faith “ issues with SMU ..However they would add “Catholic “ Gonzaga in a Heartbeat


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There are no "faith" issues with SMU, TCU, or Notre Dame for that matter. If SMU gets passed by, it is simply a reflection of the value of the program. SMU nor TCU have any religious governance - their faith affiliations are just historic and have no bearing on the management of the school. Very different from Baylor, BYU, and Liberty. Those schools are governed by religious leaders of various stripes and all three have academic freedom issues of various sorts. That is what nixes them for a conference like the PAC-12.
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RE: PAC Research indicated Houston would be best ..Also Kansas and TCU
(08-29-2021 02:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(08-27-2021 07:00 AM)Cowboy Frog Wrote:  I have heard that the PAC has been looking at Houston ever since they were passed on by the BIG 12 …They just could NOT come up with a second school … They could NOT get passed the “Faith “ issues with SMU ..However they would add “Catholic “ Gonzaga in a Heartbeat


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There are no "faith" issues with SMU, TCU, or Notre Dame for that matter. If SMU gets passed by, it is simply a reflection of the value of the program. SMU nor TCU have any religious governance - their faith affiliations are just historic and have no bearing on the management of the school. Very different from Baylor, BYU, and Liberty. Those schools are governed by religious leaders of various stripes and all three have academic freedom issues of various sorts. That is what nixes them for a conference like the PAC-12.

CitrusUCF, if you go back to the threads about punishing Baylor for its flagrant disregard for female athletes & students (or whoever made up the Baylor Bruins booster club), you will see that the Baptist Convention of Texas contributes very little $$'s to Baylor, and I would not be surprised if the Baptist Convention of Texas just didn't cut them off completely altogether due to the scandal. Long story short, Baylor may soon be what Wake Forest, SMU, TCU, USC, Duke, etc. are now: historic faith affiliations, but now just regular private schools just like Harvard, Rice, Stanford, or Yale.
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RE: PAC Research indicated Houston would be best ..Also Kansas and TCU
To the OPs point. If that analysis is correct, it might be that Houston is most valuable to the PAC which has no Texas foothold. It does not mean that Houston is the most valuable add to the Big 12 which already has a massive Texas presence. Might be an apples to oranges situation.
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PAC Research indicated Houston would be best ..Also Kansas and TCU
I have been told by an administrator at Stanford that they cannot accept a University that has “ Faith “ or “ Religion “ in their name .. The “Left “Coast has just moved so far “ left”


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RE: PAC Research indicated Houston would be best ..Also Kansas and TCU
(08-29-2021 11:56 AM)johnintx Wrote:  
(08-29-2021 11:49 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(08-28-2021 02:51 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.

With UT and OU bolting I no longer find the big12 sexy enough, it would be poor thinking on Houston current administration part in pursuing membership on a shattered unstable league.

That being said, you bring up good level headed points about the big12 advantage and disadvantages on why Houston will be an important target but here hope Houston shifts focus for the PAC instead.

One other thing... What happens IF Kansas bolts too?? I think the big12 is all but done if Kansas leaves.

I think you're right regarding U of H. They should shoot for the Pac, but take the opportunity to move to the B12 if presented. I also believe that KU, in spite of its putrid football program, is the school with the most opportunity to find a home outside the current B12.

I'm not sure what is behind the leaks of negative discussions between B12 schools and Tilman Fertitta. Is it Tech/Baylor/TCU not wanting to deal with him on behalf of U of H?

Negative jabs towards Houston isn’t new... This time however and to Houston’s credit, today’s UH administration with Fertitta leading the charge have successfully elevated it’s facilities and perhaps causing concerns to some along the way.
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