(08-20-2021 08:45 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 08:16 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 08:02 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  The Big12 will take 2-4 schools to offset any future losses. They have to stay together right now because of the money, but if anyone else bolts they don't want to have to reset completely. Time will only tell and its in each potential school to up their game well before 2025.

It would take 75% (or 8 members) of the current Big 12 members to vote to dissolve the conference. With OU and Texas gone, it would take additional six members to dissolve the conference. I don't see that happening at all.

I will stand by my comment that the Big 12 will invite:

1. Cincy
2. BYU
3. Combo of UCF/USF or Boise & UH or AF or Colo St or Memphis

It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest. You are free to stand by your previous comment, but I disagree whole heartily. Only time will tell who is right. To be truthful, we are all trying to predict the weather here and there is no real logic to the situation.

Your first sentence made no sense because it's not even possible and you are free to totally disagree with me. All we are doing is predicting but I am trying to apply some form of common sense to the situation.

(08-20-2021 10:33 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 08:45 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 08:16 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 08:02 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  The Big12 will take 2-4 schools to offset any future losses. They have to stay together right now because of the money, but if anyone else bolts they don't want to have to reset completely. Time will only tell and its in each potential school to up their game well before 2025.

It would take 75% (or 8 members) of the current Big 12 members to vote to dissolve the conference. With OU and Texas gone, it would take additional six members to dissolve the conference. I don't see that happening at all.

I will stand by my comment that the Big 12 will invite:

1. Cincy
2. BYU
3. Combo of UCF/USF or Boise & UH or AF or Colo St or Memphis

It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest. You are free to stand by your previous comment, but I disagree whole heartily. Only time will tell who is right. To be truthful, we are all trying to predict the weather here and there is no real logic to the situation.

Your first sentence made no sense because it's not even possible and you are free to totally disagree with me. All we are doing is predicting but I am trying to apply some form of common sense to the situation.

I think that the Big12 would move from 8 to 12 because they don't want to have to backfill again if Kansas or Iowa State were to jump to another conference. How is this not possible? Do explain. The Big12, even with Texas and OU has always been at a disadvantage because it only had 10 teams. It would be common sense to move to twelve now that they are only at eight, otherwise they are too small and won't have the inventory to sell to Fox or ESPN for a good price.

So when you said this:

(08-20-2021 10:43 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest.

You meant this:

pilot172000 Wrote:I think that the Big12 would move from 8 to 12 because they don't want to have to backfill again if Kansas or Iowa State were to jump to another conference.

???

(08-20-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So when you said this:

(08-20-2021 10:43 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest.

You meant this:

pilot172000 Wrote:I think that the Big12 would move from 8 to 12 because they don't want to have to backfill again if Kansas or Iowa State were to jump to another conference.

???

I meant that the Big12 is currently in a bad position because two teams left and would be in an even worse position if anyone else broke rank. Their unwillingness to move to 12 a few years ago created underlying issues and it would be smart to resolve it when the time comes.

(08-20-2021 11:37 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So when you said this:

(08-20-2021 10:43 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest.

You meant this:

pilot172000 Wrote:I think that the Big12 would move from 8 to 12 because they don't want to have to backfill again if Kansas or Iowa State were to jump to another conference.

???

I meant that the Big12 is currently in a bad position because two teams left and would be in an even worse position if anyone else broke rank. Their unwillingness to move to 12 a few years ago created underlying issues and it would be smart to resolve it when the time comes.

Well of course they're in a bad spot. But regardless the remaining will be due a lot of money if Texas and OU leaves early. Whether it's 8 teams left, 7,6,5,4, or 3 left the remaining schools will be getting paid.

Now will it be tougher to add schools if they're only 3 or 4 left? Sure does! But lets play a game of would you. Would UAB go to a conference with just Kansas, Kansas St, and TCU? Yup! Would La Tech? Yup. Point is the Big 12 is very likely to be around in some shape, fashion, or form.

(08-20-2021 12:08 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:37 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So when you said this:

(08-20-2021 10:43 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest.

You meant this:

pilot172000 Wrote:I think that the Big12 would move from 8 to 12 because they don't want to have to backfill again if Kansas or Iowa State were to jump to another conference.

???

I meant that the Big12 is currently in a bad position because two teams left and would be in an even worse position if anyone else broke rank. Their unwillingness to move to 12 a few years ago created underlying issues and it would be smart to resolve it when the time comes.

Well of course they're in a bad spot. But regardless the remaining will be due a lot of money if Texas and OU leaves early. Whether it's 8 teams left, 7,6,5,4, or 3 left the remaining schools will be getting paid.

Now will it be tougher to add schools if they're only 3 or 4 left? Sure does! But lets play a game of would you. Would UAB go to a conference with just Kansas, Kansas St, and TCU? Yup! Would La Tech? Yup. Point is the Big 12 is very likely to be around in some shape, fashion, or form.

I hope you are right. My concern there is this. If there are only 3-4 teams left they would just join the MWC and the AAC which would further separate both from CUSA. The Big12 needs to expand and weaken the AAC.

(08-20-2021 12:08 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:37 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So when you said this:

(08-20-2021 10:43 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest.

You meant this:

pilot172000 Wrote:I think that the Big12 would move from 8 to 12 because they don't want to have to backfill again if Kansas or Iowa State were to jump to another conference.

???

I meant that the Big12 is currently in a bad position because two teams left and would be in an even worse position if anyone else broke rank. Their unwillingness to move to 12 a few years ago created underlying issues and it would be smart to resolve it when the time comes.

Well of course they're in a bad spot. But regardless the remaining will be due a lot of money if Texas and OU leaves early. Whether it's 8 teams left, 7,6,5,4, or 3 left the remaining schools will be getting paid.

Now will it be tougher to add schools if they're only 3 or 4 left? Sure does! But lets play a game of would you. Would UAB go to a conference with just Kansas, Kansas St, and TCU? Yup! Would La Tech? Yup. Point is the Big 12 is very likely to be around in some shape, fashion, or form.

Here's my prediction of who the Big XII will add:

BYU
Boise St
Houston
UCF

These schools have the best "TV viewership" ratings in the G5. Cincinnati doesn't, so Cincinnati probably won't be picked, UNLESS, one of these 4 schools can't or won't accept an invite.

So the AAC will likely lose 2 --maybe 3-- from it's current lineup.

Imo, the Big 12 doesn't invite UCF without USF. They would not leave the Knights on an island by themselves like WVU is currently. And yes I do think that would matter to Bowlsby. This is I keep harping on Cincy being invited to bridge WVU to the rest of the Big 12. And frankly, Cincy is the most attractive G5 school right now.

1. Will the Big 12 Texas schools vote for Houston?

(08-20-2021 04:43 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Imo, the Big 12 doesn't invite UCF without USF. They would not leave the Knights on an island by themselves like WVU is currently. And yes I do think that would matter to Bowlsby. This is I keep harping on Cincy being invited to bridge WVU to the rest of the Big 12. And frankly, Cincy is the most attractive G5 school right now.

1. Will the Big 12 Texas schools vote for Houston?

Yes and Yes. Cincy is best choice for Big12 and yes, the Big12 would vote for Houston. UH does actually hold some modicum of the Houston market and they are former SWC members who have a shared history with the other Texas Schools.

(08-20-2021 03:03 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 12:08 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:37 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So when you said this:

(08-20-2021 10:43 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  It may take 75% but it only takes one or two to leave nothing on the table for the rest.

You meant this:

pilot172000 Wrote:I think that the Big12 would move from 8 to 12 because they don't want to have to backfill again if Kansas or Iowa State were to jump to another conference.

???

I meant that the Big12 is currently in a bad position because two teams left and would be in an even worse position if anyone else broke rank. Their unwillingness to move to 12 a few years ago created underlying issues and it would be smart to resolve it when the time comes.

Well of course they're in a bad spot. But regardless the remaining will be due a lot of money if Texas and OU leaves early. Whether it's 8 teams left, 7,6,5,4, or 3 left the remaining schools will be getting paid.

Now will it be tougher to add schools if they're only 3 or 4 left? Sure does! But lets play a game of would you. Would UAB go to a conference with just Kansas, Kansas St, and TCU? Yup! Would La Tech? Yup. Point is the Big 12 is very likely to be around in some shape, fashion, or form.

Here's my prediction of who the Big XII will add:

BYU
Boise St
Houston
UCF

These schools have the best "TV viewership" ratings in the G5. Cincinnati doesn't, so Cincinnati probably won't be picked, UNLESS, one of these 4 schools can't or won't accept an invite.

So the AAC will likely lose 2 --maybe 3-- from it's current lineup.

Big 12 would add Cincinnati 100 times out of 100 over UCF.

(08-20-2021 11:15 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 03:03 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 12:08 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:37 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So when you said this:


You meant this:


???

I meant that the Big12 is currently in a bad position because two teams left and would be in an even worse position if anyone else broke rank. Their unwillingness to move to 12 a few years ago created underlying issues and it would be smart to resolve it when the time comes.

Well of course they're in a bad spot. But regardless the remaining will be due a lot of money if Texas and OU leaves early. Whether it's 8 teams left, 7,6,5,4, or 3 left the remaining schools will be getting paid.

Now will it be tougher to add schools if they're only 3 or 4 left? Sure does! But lets play a game of would you. Would UAB go to a conference with just Kansas, Kansas St, and TCU? Yup! Would La Tech? Yup. Point is the Big 12 is very likely to be around in some shape, fashion, or form.

Here's my prediction of who the Big XII will add:

BYU
Boise St
Houston
UCF

These schools have the best "TV viewership" ratings in the G5. Cincinnati doesn't, so Cincinnati probably won't be picked, UNLESS, one of these 4 schools can't or won't accept an invite.

So the AAC will likely lose 2 --maybe 3-- from it's current lineup.

Big 12 would add Cincinnati 100 times out of 100 over UCF.

Don't bet on it. With WVA begging everybody on the east coast for membership, the Big XII will likely be very reluctant to add Cincinnati as a travel partner for WVA. The geography's bad and the Big XII doesn't want to be left holding the bag for Cincinnati after WVA leaves for greener pastures. Add Cincinnati's lack of TV appeal, and I think that's just too much for Cincinnati. to overcome.

(08-20-2021 11:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:15 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 03:03 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 12:08 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:37 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I meant that the Big12 is currently in a bad position because two teams left and would be in an even worse position if anyone else broke rank. Their unwillingness to move to 12 a few years ago created underlying issues and it would be smart to resolve it when the time comes.

Well of course they're in a bad spot. But regardless the remaining will be due a lot of money if Texas and OU leaves early. Whether it's 8 teams left, 7,6,5,4, or 3 left the remaining schools will be getting paid.

Now will it be tougher to add schools if they're only 3 or 4 left? Sure does! But lets play a game of would you. Would UAB go to a conference with just Kansas, Kansas St, and TCU? Yup! Would La Tech? Yup. Point is the Big 12 is very likely to be around in some shape, fashion, or form.

Here's my prediction of who the Big XII will add:

BYU
Boise St
Houston
UCF

These schools have the best "TV viewership" ratings in the G5. Cincinnati doesn't, so Cincinnati probably won't be picked, UNLESS, one of these 4 schools can't or won't accept an invite.

So the AAC will likely lose 2 --maybe 3-- from it's current lineup.

Big 12 would add Cincinnati 100 times out of 100 over UCF.

Don't bet on it. With WVA begging everybody on the east coast for membership, the Big XII will likely be very reluctant to add Cincinnati as a travel partner for WVA. The geography's bad and the Big XII doesn't want to be left holding the bag for Cincinnati after WVA leaves for greener pastures. Add Cincinnati's lack of TV appeal, and I think that's just too much for Cincinnati. to overcome.

Good point.

I still think Cincinnati would have a slight edge over UCF. However, I am in 100% agreement on the other potential members.

(08-21-2021 12:28 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 11:15 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 03:03 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 12:08 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Well of course they're in a bad spot. But regardless the remaining will be due a lot of money if Texas and OU leaves early. Whether it's 8 teams left, 7,6,5,4, or 3 left the remaining schools will be getting paid.

Now will it be tougher to add schools if they're only 3 or 4 left? Sure does! But lets play a game of would you. Would UAB go to a conference with just Kansas, Kansas St, and TCU? Yup! Would La Tech? Yup. Point is the Big 12 is very likely to be around in some shape, fashion, or form.

Here's my prediction of who the Big XII will add:

BYU
Boise St
Houston
UCF

These schools have the best "TV viewership" ratings in the G5. Cincinnati doesn't, so Cincinnati probably won't be picked, UNLESS, one of these 4 schools can't or won't accept an invite.

So the AAC will likely lose 2 --maybe 3-- from it's current lineup.

Big 12 would add Cincinnati 100 times out of 100 over UCF.

Don't bet on it. With WVA begging everybody on the east coast for membership, the Big XII will likely be very reluctant to add Cincinnati as a travel partner for WVA. The geography's bad and the Big XII doesn't want to be left holding the bag for Cincinnati after WVA leaves for greener pastures. Add Cincinnati's lack of TV appeal, and I think that's just too much for Cincinnati. to overcome.

Good point.

Begging doesn't get you into a new conference. But since we're talking about begging, Cincy and UCF are also doing that up and down the east coast.

Remaining Texas schools in B12 don't want Houston in the conference. They'd rather continue to recruit the greater Houston area of its recruits for themselves. But Media Money drives expansion/ reformation. So, I won't be surprised if the following go to B12 by 2024-5: Houston, BYU, Cincy, and Memphis. Battle lines between B12( & Bowlsby) and AAC (& Aresco) don't matter nearly as much as the coming battle between AMAZON, DISNEY/ESPIN, FOXSports, NBC, CBS, and whovever else is walkin' around with a Billion Dollars to burn.

(08-21-2021 10:48 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Remaining Texas schools in B12 don't want Houston in the conference. They'd rather continue to recruit the greater Houston area of its recruits for themselves. But Media Money drives expansion/ reformation. So, I won't be surprised if the following go to B12 by 2024-5: Houston, BYU, Cincy, and Memphis. Battle lines between B12( & Bowlsby) and AAC (& Aresco) don't matter nearly as much as the coming battle between AMAZON, DISNEY/ESPIN, FOXSports, NBC, CBS, and whovever else is walkin' around with a Billion Dollars to burn.

I wonder why anybody would go from AAC to B12. Sit tight and the AAC will supplant the B12 in a few years.

(08-20-2021 04:48 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(08-20-2021 04:43 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Imo, the Big 12 doesn't invite UCF without USF. They would not leave the Knights on an island by themselves like WVU is currently. And yes I do think that would matter to Bowlsby. This is I keep harping on Cincy being invited to bridge WVU to the rest of the Big 12. And frankly, Cincy is the most attractive G5 school right now.

1. Will the Big 12 Texas schools vote for Houston?

Yes and Yes. Cincy is best choice for Big12 and yes, the Big12 would vote for Houston.

I think the Big 12 would command between 12 to 16 million per school with BYU, Cincy, Boise, and Houston being added. Definitely not what they're getting now but better than merging with the AAC.

(08-21-2021 01:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 10:48 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Remaining Texas schools in B12 don't want Houston in the conference. They'd rather continue to recruit the greater Houston area of its recruits for themselves. But Media Money drives expansion/ reformation. So, I won't be surprised if the following go to B12 by 2024-5: Houston, BYU, Cincy, and Memphis. Battle lines between B12( & Bowlsby) and AAC (& Aresco) don't matter nearly as much as the coming battle between AMAZON, DISNEY/ESPIN, FOXSports, NBC, CBS, and whovever else is walkin' around with a Billion Dollars to burn.

I wonder why anybody would go from AAC to B12. Sit tight and the AAC will supplant the B12 in a few years.

Still part of the G6.

(08-21-2021 09:54 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 01:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 10:48 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Remaining Texas schools in B12 don't want Houston in the conference. They'd rather continue to recruit the greater Houston area of its recruits for themselves. But Media Money drives expansion/ reformation. So, I won't be surprised if the following go to B12 by 2024-5: Houston, BYU, Cincy, and Memphis. Battle lines between B12( & Bowlsby) and AAC (& Aresco) don't matter nearly as much as the coming battle between AMAZON, DISNEY/ESPIN, FOXSports, NBC, CBS, and whovever else is walkin' around with a Billion Dollars to burn.

I wonder why anybody would go from AAC to B12. Sit tight and the AAC will supplant the B12 in a few years.

Still part of the G6.

As will the B12.

(08-21-2021 11:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 09:54 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 01:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-21-2021 10:48 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Remaining Texas schools in B12 don't want Houston in the conference. They'd rather continue to recruit the greater Houston area of its recruits for themselves. But Media Money drives expansion/ reformation. So, I won't be surprised if the following go to B12 by 2024-5: Houston, BYU, Cincy, and Memphis. Battle lines between B12( & Bowlsby) and AAC (& Aresco) don't matter nearly as much as the coming battle between AMAZON, DISNEY/ESPIN, FOXSports, NBC, CBS, and whovever else is walkin' around with a Billion Dollars to burn.

I wonder why anybody would go from AAC to B12. Sit tight and the AAC will supplant the B12 in a few years.

Still part of the G6.

As will the B12.

WVU's ******* President, drunkard basketball coach and ****** fans will cost them a P4 invite.