(08-06-2021 08:23 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  As much as I hate to say this, I can’t get excited about Duren & Bates until this cloud clears and we don’t have a post season ban. Shades of Marvin Alexander & Sylvester Gray. 2 different sets of circumstances but can yield the same result.

1. Why did we have to play Wiseman after the NCAA said not to?
2. Why didn’t we self impose a post season ban last year or the year before?

Makes me sick to think that, after so much hope and promise, Wiseman may end up having cost us multiple final 4 runs. Not to mention this happening now, during conference realignment.

Hope I’m wrong.

Wiseman cost us multiple final 4's? What's the thought process here?

(08-06-2021 10:22 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  The article basically says that before the committee had to throw out all of the interviews and investigation that the NCAA did and start fresh. This change means the committee can use that research to make things faster. Don’t know if that means they would reach the same conclusion as the NCAA would have.

The thing is, the IARP did conduct extensive interviews and investigation. They did that last year. It's ridiculous that it has taken this long.

(08-06-2021 11:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My bet, the IARP was about to display some common sense and clear Memphis. The NCAA doesn’t like it, and says, “we’re taking you off the case.” I fear we’re about to get nailed. Call it one last hoorah while they still have some grandfathered in control.

You have to admit. We were stupid for playing Wiseman while it was all being sorted out. Against cupcake opponents to, nonetheless.

Oregon was not a cupcake.
And it was the Phil Knight Classic, in Portland.
He was going to play in that game.
Think about it.

(08-08-2021 07:16 PM)tigertaylor Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 07:00 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 12:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 12:16 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 12:13 AM)Stammers Wrote:  FIFY.

Here’s to hoping that court order carry’s some weight.

Well, it is a court order, and I don't think it is up the the University of Memphis to decide and act on the merit of it. They are no different than you and me, if we get one.

I agree, I think had Penny or Memphis refused to allow Wiseman to play, then both would have been open to suit and in violation of the court order.

Btw, the NCAA, if they alter the IARP after they fact, and after setting it up and both sides agreeing to abide by it, then its ruling should be void. Both parties agreed to stay out of this decision.

The NCAA interfering and affecting this ruling imo is like forcing a jury to reach their decision while they are still in the deliberation process and amounts to tampering.

Of course, the NCAA is used to doing whatever it wants, whenever it wants and I'm not an attorney, not even close.

There's an interesting ESPN article by Jay Bilas. It talks about the NCAA in the future.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/insi...ppens-next

a few highlights from the article:

-This summer has seen the NCAA's influence and role lessened, and real questions are being asked about the NCAA's very existence and viability going forward.

-In the ultimate "be careful what you wish for," the NCAA went before SCOTUS and got its ass kicked, 9-0. In addition to a shutout, SCOTUS eviscerated the NCAA's protection from the dicta in the Board of Regents case and basically declared open season on NCAA policies limiting athlete compensation. So, from now on, the NCAA will not get deference from the courts and will likely lose future legal challenges to NCAA policies that limit athlete compensation in any way.

-Rather than passing its own NIL legislation, which would likely have obviated the need for states to step into that void, the NCAA passively stood by and watched the states do the NCAA's job and pass legislation governing athlete compensation.

-Due to the crushing loss before SCOTUS in Alston and the litany of state laws allowing what the NCAA has always fought tooth and nail to disallow, athletes can now make money off of endorsements with the NCAA powerless to stop it. The NCAA is so powerless it has completely stepped away from that area of regulation, telling the schools and conferences to abide by state law or make up their own NIL policies.

-The NCAA is moving to deregulate and decentralize, giving conferences authority over certain policies because it knows that NCAA policies violate federal antitrust law.

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so, part of me thinks that we get off lighter than usual with IARP punishment. I know we are Memphis and always get screwed by the NCAA. But this time i think the NCAA environment has evolved to a point where the NCAA isn't going to want any PR nightmares by punishing current players with postseason bans. So, I don't think we will get a post season ban, but Penny might have to sit out a 5-10 games (my guess) as our punishment for playing wiseman when he was "likely" ineligible.

Makes me wonder if the schools accused of paying of athletes major dollars in the FBI sting (LSU/Arizona/etc) will even get slaps on the wrist.

the good news if penny has to be out games is that we have strong assistants that can get us through those

(08-09-2021 08:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 08:23 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  As much as I hate to say this, I can’t get excited about Duren & Bates until this cloud clears and we don’t have a post season ban. Shades of Marvin Alexander & Sylvester Gray. 2 different sets of circumstances but can yield the same result.

1. Why did we have to play Wiseman after the NCAA said not to?
2. Why didn’t we self impose a post season ban last year or the year before?

Makes me sick to think that, after so much hope and promise, Wiseman may end up having cost us multiple final 4 runs. Not to mention this happening now, during conference realignment.

Hope I’m wrong.

Wiseman cost us multiple final 4's? What's the thought process here?

Coulda had one his one season here. And if we get put on probation next season.

(08-09-2021 08:03 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 11:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My bet, the IARP was about to display some common sense and clear Memphis. The NCAA doesn’t like it, and says, “we’re taking you off the case.” I fear we’re about to get nailed. Call it one last hoorah while they still have some grandfathered in control.

You have to admit. We were stupid for playing Wiseman while it was all being sorted out. Against cupcake opponents to, nonetheless.

Oregon was not a cupcake.
And it was the Phil Knight Classic, in Portland.
He was going to play in that game.
Think about it.

Maybe my memory is not serving me correctly, but as of the Oregon game, the NCAA hadn’t told us to sit him…I could be wrong.

(08-09-2021 10:12 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 08:03 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 11:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My bet, the IARP was about to display some common sense and clear Memphis. The NCAA doesn’t like it, and says, “we’re taking you off the case.” I fear we’re about to get nailed. Call it one last hoorah while they still have some grandfathered in control.

You have to admit. We were stupid for playing Wiseman while it was all being sorted out. Against cupcake opponents to, nonetheless.

Oregon was not a cupcake.
And it was the Phil Knight Classic, in Portland.
He was going to play in that game.
Think about it.

Maybe my memory is not serving me correctly, but as of the Oregon game, the NCAA hadn’t told us to sit him…I could be wrong.

I think what it was, a judge had said he could play. So he did. Then he dropped the law suit. NCAA gave him an 11 game suspension. Then….he quit.

(08-09-2021 09:35 PM)tigertaylor Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 07:16 PM)tigertaylor Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 07:00 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 12:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-07-2021 12:16 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Here’s to hoping that court order carry’s some weight.

Well, it is a court order, and I don't think it is up the the University of Memphis to decide and act on the merit of it. They are no different than you and me, if we get one.

I agree, I think had Penny or Memphis refused to allow Wiseman to play, then both would have been open to suit and in violation of the court order.

Btw, the NCAA, if they alter the IARP after they fact, and after setting it up and both sides agreeing to abide by it, then its ruling should be void. Both parties agreed to stay out of this decision.

The NCAA interfering and affecting this ruling imo is like forcing a jury to reach their decision while they are still in the deliberation process and amounts to tampering.

Of course, the NCAA is used to doing whatever it wants, whenever it wants and I'm not an attorney, not even close.

There's an interesting ESPN article by Jay Bilas. It talks about the NCAA in the future.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/insi...ppens-next

a few highlights from the article:

-This summer has seen the NCAA's influence and role lessened, and real questions are being asked about the NCAA's very existence and viability going forward.

-In the ultimate "be careful what you wish for," the NCAA went before SCOTUS and got its ass kicked, 9-0. In addition to a shutout, SCOTUS eviscerated the NCAA's protection from the dicta in the Board of Regents case and basically declared open season on NCAA policies limiting athlete compensation. So, from now on, the NCAA will not get deference from the courts and will likely lose future legal challenges to NCAA policies that limit athlete compensation in any way.

-Rather than passing its own NIL legislation, which would likely have obviated the need for states to step into that void, the NCAA passively stood by and watched the states do the NCAA's job and pass legislation governing athlete compensation.

-Due to the crushing loss before SCOTUS in Alston and the litany of state laws allowing what the NCAA has always fought tooth and nail to disallow, athletes can now make money off of endorsements with the NCAA powerless to stop it. The NCAA is so powerless it has completely stepped away from that area of regulation, telling the schools and conferences to abide by state law or make up their own NIL policies.

-The NCAA is moving to deregulate and decentralize, giving conferences authority over certain policies because it knows that NCAA policies violate federal antitrust law.

==============

so, part of me thinks that we get off lighter than usual with IARP punishment. I know we are Memphis and always get screwed by the NCAA. But this time i think the NCAA environment has evolved to a point where the NCAA isn't going to want any PR nightmares by punishing current players with postseason bans. So, I don't think we will get a post season ban, but Penny might have to sit out a 5-10 games (my guess) as our punishment for playing wiseman when he was "likely" ineligible.

Makes me wonder if the schools accused of paying of athletes major dollars in the FBI sting (LSU/Arizona/etc) will even get slaps on the wrist.

the good news if penny has to be out games is that we have strong assistants that can get us through those

Could you even imagine a scenario… Where this happens and Larry Brown goes undefeated and has them playing the best ball we’ve seen in years… Then penny comes back… Talk about pressure. Lol

(08-09-2021 10:11 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 08:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 08:23 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  As much as I hate to say this, I can’t get excited about Duren & Bates until this cloud clears and we don’t have a post season ban. Shades of Marvin Alexander & Sylvester Gray. 2 different sets of circumstances but can yield the same result.

1. Why did we have to play Wiseman after the NCAA said not to?
2. Why didn’t we self impose a post season ban last year or the year before?

Makes me sick to think that, after so much hope and promise, Wiseman may end up having cost us multiple final 4 runs. Not to mention this happening now, during conference realignment.

Hope I’m wrong.

Wiseman cost us multiple final 4's? What's the thought process here?

Coulda had one his one season here. And if we get put on probation next season.

Remember Covid caused the tournament to be cancelled his season at Memphis.

(08-09-2021 10:17 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 10:12 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 08:03 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 11:38 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My bet, the IARP was about to display some common sense and clear Memphis. The NCAA doesn’t like it, and says, “we’re taking you off the case.” I fear we’re about to get nailed. Call it one last hoorah while they still have some grandfathered in control.

You have to admit. We were stupid for playing Wiseman while it was all being sorted out. Against cupcake opponents to, nonetheless.

Oregon was not a cupcake.
And it was the Phil Knight Classic, in Portland.
He was going to play in that game.
Think about it.

Maybe my memory is not serving me correctly, but as of the Oregon game, the NCAA hadn’t told us to sit him…I could be wrong.

I think what it was, a judge had said he could play. So he did. Then he dropped the law suit. NCAA gave him an 11 game suspension. Then….he quit.

That's it.
By the Oregon game, the NCAA had absolutely told us to sit him.
Point being, it wasn't a cupcake game that he played in. And there was likely some Nike pressure to do so.

(08-10-2021 02:46 AM)Alanda Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 10:11 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(08-09-2021 08:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-06-2021 08:23 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  As much as I hate to say this, I can’t get excited about Duren & Bates until this cloud clears and we don’t have a post season ban. Shades of Marvin Alexander & Sylvester Gray. 2 different sets of circumstances but can yield the same result.

1. Why did we have to play Wiseman after the NCAA said not to?
2. Why didn’t we self impose a post season ban last year or the year before?

Makes me sick to think that, after so much hope and promise, Wiseman may end up having cost us multiple final 4 runs. Not to mention this happening now, during conference realignment.

Hope I’m wrong.

Wiseman cost us multiple final 4's? What's the thought process here?

Coulda had one his one season here. And if we get put on probation next season.

Remember Covid caused the tournament to be cancelled his season at Memphis.

That's the point.
Wiseman did not cost us "multiple F4's".

Bunch of chicken littles...

If we get any future punishments for this our legal dept at the university is incompetent.

Lets compare...D. Rose and Wiseman.

D. Rose the NCAA informed us that D. Rose was being investigated for the SAT prior to the 2008 season...We continued to play him for the remainder of the season...What did we get...Vacated wins.

Wiseman the NCAA informed us that Wiseman was likely ineligble...Courts ruled for injunctive relief. We continued to play him for 3 games based on that ruling.

Now the chicken littles want to say the punishments will be worse for following a court order than they were with Rose. Come on really.

Worse case is 2 Vacated wins.