Quote:A majority of Democrats do not believe America is a country with “liberty and justice for all,” a Rasmussen Reports survey released Thursday found.

The survey, taken ahead of the July 4 weekend, asked respondents if they agree with the Pledge of Allegiance line that the United States is a “nation with liberty and justice for all.”

“Generally speaking, do you believe this is true? Is the United States a nation with liberty and justice for all?” the survey asked.

Fifty percent of those surveyed said “yes,” the United States is a nation with liberty and justice for all. Thirty-eight percent disagreed. Eleven percent said they are not sure.

While Republicans overwhelmingly say the country is a place offering liberty and justice for all, 74 percent, Democrats do not feel the same way, 51 percent disagreeing with Republicans. Just one-third of Democrats say “yes,” the U.S. is a nation with liberty and justice for all, with a plurality of independents, 49 percent, sharing that assessment.

Notably, a plurality of black Americans, 47 percent, agree with the majority of Democrats that the country is not a place of liberty and justice for all, but 54 percent of other non-white voters disagree and say it is.

Despite those sentiments, 64 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of black Americans say “yes,” they would continue to live in the U.S., even if given the option to live anywhere in the world.

“Even among Americans who don’t believe the United States provides liberty and justice for all, however, 51% would rather live here than anywhere else in the world,” Rasmussen found.

The survey, taken June 28-29, 2021, among 1,000 U.S. adults, has a margin of error of +/- 3 percent.

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There is no justice for all because Democrats are above the law.

Well technically, there isn't "justice for all", but that is something to aspire to and will never actually happen... anywhere.

Leftists will always create a victim and blame someone else for their failures....

Its all they have

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Time to secede

(07-05-2021 04:03 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:A majority of Democrats do not believe America is a country with “liberty and justice for all,” a Rasmussen Reports survey released Thursday found.

The survey, taken ahead of the July 4 weekend, asked respondents if they agree with the Pledge of Allegiance line that the United States is a “nation with liberty and justice for all.”

“Generally speaking, do you believe this is true? Is the United States a nation with liberty and justice for all?” the survey asked.

Fifty percent of those surveyed said “yes,” the United States is a nation with liberty and justice for all. Thirty-eight percent disagreed. Eleven percent said they are not sure.

While Republicans overwhelmingly say the country is a place offering liberty and justice for all, 74 percent, Democrats do not feel the same way, 51 percent disagreeing with Republicans. Just one-third of Democrats say “yes,” the U.S. is a nation with liberty and justice for all, with a plurality of independents, 49 percent, sharing that assessment.

Notably, a plurality of black Americans, 47 percent, agree with the majority of Democrats that the country is not a place of liberty and justice for all, but 54 percent of other non-white voters disagree and say it is.

Despite those sentiments, 64 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of black Americans say “yes,” they would continue to live in the U.S., even if given the option to live anywhere in the world.

“Even among Americans who don’t believe the United States provides liberty and justice for all, however, 51% would rather live here than anywhere else in the world,” Rasmussen found.

The survey, taken June 28-29, 2021, among 1,000 U.S. adults, has a margin of error of +/- 3 percent.

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There is no justice for all because Democrats are above the law.

So--Democrats are essentially admitting they suck at governing.....Maybe there is hope for those morons after all.

(07-05-2021 04:13 PM)maximus Wrote:  Leftists will always create a victim and blame someone else for their failures....

Its all they have

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This

(07-05-2021 04:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Time to secede

And most importantly......... this!

The USA is an ongoing experiment. It will forever be seeking "to form a more perfect Union". The USA will NOT be perfect at any time but there has been a continual push or strive to be "more perfect".

The deliberate arrangement of the checks and balances between the three branches - executive, legislative, and judicial. No one branch calls all the shots and makes all the rules.

The original Bill of Rights citing the first ten amendments.

Then look at the various amendments to the original Constitution over the years to mold this country toward that elusive "perfect union" (note that I only included those that provide more freedoms or rights to the citizens, leaving out amendments such as # 16 that initiated a tax on incomes):
13th amendment (ratified 12/6/1865) - abolished slavery and involuntary servitude.
15th amendment (2/3/1870) - the right to vote is not denied due to race, color, or prior condition of servitude.
19th amendment (8/18/20) - the right to vote to not denied based on gender.
22nd amendment (2/27/1951) - limits Presidents to two terms.
25th amendment (2/10/1967) - lays out procedure to remove the POTUS from office.
26th amendment (7/1/1971) - the right to vote is extended to citizens of 18 years of age.

Yeah, I thought that "hope and change" big eared liberal messiah was going to fix everything.

Majority of Democrats can kiss my arse

(07-05-2021 04:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Well technically, there isn't "justice for all", but that is something to aspire to and will never actually happen... anywhere.

74% of Republicans disagree with you, blinded by their ideology.

The only color that matters when justice is concerned is green.
The more money you have the better justice you can buy. It’s that simple.

God Bless the folks that do it but you’re not going to get the same representation from a public defender that you would get from some multigenerational law firm.

Sure our system has problems. It always has. That doesn’t mean we scrap it. Do those out in the street screaming defund the police and advocating socialism really believe they would see better justice in a socialist or communist system?

Justice would certainly be swifter and it wouldn’t come in the form they expect. Instead of being released to go out to riot and loot again, their comrades would take them out back and shoot them in the head.

(07-05-2021 04:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Well technically, there isn't "justice for all", but that is something to aspire to and will never actually happen... anywhere.

I agree. Id submit however that our system gets it right in the overwhelming majority of cases.

Unfortunately the amount of justice one receives is often tied to the amount of money they have to defend themselves and government is pretty much has immunity for its crimes.

No one wants to talk about it..but..What about the justice for the victims of crime? THIS is the biggest injustice imo. Our system rarely allows for restitution for those damaged. Is it justice for a murderer to only serve 12 years? Hell no.

Perhaps the term justice should also extend to civil cases. Maybe adopt the fee shifting “English Rule” where the loser pays the attorneys’ fees and court costs of the winner. Install a recoverable cap to avoid buying a verdict.

Would completely change the big business of tort. Would also serve to eliminate people using litigation as a bludgeon to bankrupt the other side and would greatly increase the use of alternative dispute resolution. Would clean up overloaded dockets nationally to free up judges and their staff to better use court resources where sorely needed.

(07-06-2021 08:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No one wants to talk about it..but..What about the justice for the victims of crime? THIS is the biggest injustice imo. Our system rarely allows for restitution for those damaged. Is it justice for a murderer to only serve 12 years? Hell no.

(07-06-2021 09:00 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Perhaps the term justice should also extend to civil cases. Maybe adopt the fee shifting “English Rule” where the loser pays the attorneys’ fees and court costs of the winner. Install a recoverable cap to avoid buying a verdict.
Would completely change the big business of tort. Would also serve to eliminate people using litigation as a bludgeon to bankrupt the other side and would greatly increase the use of alternative dispute resolution. Would clean up overloaded dockets nationally to free up judges and their staff to better use court resources where sorely needed.

Yes to both of these.

Other changes I would like to see:

- Punitive damages are payable not to the plaintiff, but to some sort of victims relief fund, and used to pay actual damages (or restitution to injured parties) to plaintiffs whose defendants disappear or go bankrupt; this would greatly enhance the use of ADR; my brethren in the legal profession hate this one, by the way
- Only the Supreme Court has the power to declare laws unconstitutional (an adaptation of the French approach); lower courts merely issue interpretations of the law as written, and may issue opinions requesting Supreme Court review of constitutionality, but may not declare a law unconstitutional
- Decisions by any court cover only the extent of that court's jurisdiction, paralleling state court rules; a judge in the Southern District of Texas may issue a ruling, but that ruling is binding only in the Southern District of Texas; a Fifth Circuit panel may issue a ruling, but that ruling is binding only in the Fifth Circuit; such rulings could be res judicata in other jurisdictions, but courts outside the original jurisdiction would not be obligated to follow; that would end the process of forum shopping a district court to get a law invalidated nationally

Exists are clearly marked.