(06-24-2021 11:02 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:34 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:03 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Why is this concept so hard to understand? NIL is not school or conference revenue. Period.

Maybe some schools will try that, but eventually, it will get shot down by the courts, imo.

I think most of us understand it and understand what you are saying.

I am just of the opinion that this will open up other cans of worms, in our PC/Woke/Equity culture. But, perhaps I'm wrong.

I was referring specifically to the idea that NIL has zero to do with school or conference revenue.

It's obvious that some people in this thread don't understand that by the comments they made.

As for opening up a can of worms, what exactly do you have in mind? Not busting your POV, just genuinely curious.

Just a hunch. When the money starts flowing, everyone will want a peice of the pie.

So they are going to steal from the players? Lol

Will back deals and arrangements be made? Probably. But now you're treading not in anti-NCAA rules waters, but in legal waters.

(06-24-2021 12:30 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:25 AM)micman Wrote:  I don't see how this is going to help us much. If we don't see local TV commercials with Ja Morant, why would we expect to see them with Landers Nolley?

Honestly, the Pom squad is probably the most marketable team at the U of M.

Exactly. It’s not like there will be a line at the door for signing players to endorsement deals. Local restaurants may have a few roadside sign spinner jobs open.

Very well could be true. But universities are already pushing the idea of $1M in annual income to a star basketball player. We'll see what reality is soon enough.

(06-24-2021 12:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:02 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:34 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:03 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Why is this concept so hard to understand? NIL is not school or conference revenue. Period.

Maybe some schools will try that, but eventually, it will get shot down by the courts, imo.

I think most of us understand it and understand what you are saying.

I am just of the opinion that this will open up other cans of worms, in our PC/Woke/Equity culture. But, perhaps I'm wrong.

I was referring specifically to the idea that NIL has zero to do with school or conference revenue.

It's obvious that some people in this thread don't understand that by the comments they made.

As for opening up a can of worms, what exactly do you have in mind? Not busting your POV, just genuinely curious.

Just a hunch. When the money starts flowing, everyone will want a peice of the pie.

Will back deals and arrangements be made? Probably. But now you're treading not in anti-NCAA rules waters, but in legal waters.

Yes. That's correct. Legal water.

(06-24-2021 12:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 12:30 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:25 AM)micman Wrote:  I don't see how this is going to help us much. If we don't see local TV commercials with Ja Morant, why would we expect to see them with Landers Nolley?

Honestly, the Pom squad is probably the most marketable team at the U of M.

Exactly. It’s not like there will be a line at the door for signing players to endorsement deals. Local restaurants may have a few roadside sign spinner jobs open.

Very well could be true. But universities are already pushing the idea of $1M in annual income to a star basketball player. We'll see what reality is soon enough.

Sounds a bit steep, but I don’t have a clue how this will play out. Here’s a three year old article addressing what newish NBA players should expect. I found it interesting.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/09/19/the-end...the-court/

(06-24-2021 12:26 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 07:26 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 04:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2021 01:49 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Yeah like you pointed out this doesn't deal with NIL. But back off-topic what will be interesting is the lack of consistency in state NILs until a federal bill is passed. AttackCoog pointed out that Connecticut's bill does not bar boosters although by his admission it was a quick reading. Looking at the full version that passed, I don't really see a difference. And their US senator wants something no worse than that for the federal NIL.

According to a quick net search, as of yesterday, there are currently 41 states in some phase of NIL legislation. I scanned a list, and didn't see one where boosters could offer NIL deals. It's one or the other, not both. Either support the school, or hire a student.

Maybe CT is the exception. I know the 2 senators want something radically different from what most other states are doing. Essentially making students employees, getting unions involved, letting the fed government administer the programs, etc.

Yeah, that's drastic, and not where anybody else seems headed. IMO, no way that would ever pass the Senate with 60 votes to become law. Unless they actually do kill the filibuster.

Ok. Here is the thread where AC talked about CT.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-923337.html

And here is the final bill CT passed that I mentioned.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2021/FC/PDF/2021H...777-FC.PDF

I also looked at Arkansas' since I back living there. Unless I am missing something (which wouldn't be surprising) theirs does not seem to exclude individual boosters specifically.

https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTP...HB1671.pdf

It does not matter if states try to exclude boosters, it may hold for a year or two but it will be struck down. The entire idea is to allow the players to capitalize off their NIL. By in large, boosters are going to want to pay more money and more frequently to athletes for NIL. Not allowing players access to boosters money for legitimate free market exchange deals completely flies in the face of where all of this is headed.

States can try but they are just spitting into the wind and a lawsuit or two away from having to remove exclusion of boosters, especially if other states are not excluding them.

It matters because the main example I used is a US senator from one of those states wants the federal version to be no worse than their state's version which seems to exclude boosters. And if more members of congress have a same or similar view then we're looking at it potentially taking even longer to get a federal NIL law in place and it eventually excludes boosters. Or maybe it doesn't take long and we see a federal bill that does allow it. And if free market is in place the only thing the NCAA would have to do is make sure the deals are reported or follow any other stipulations the law requires. I know it's already been said or proposed that a separate entity would/could be created for NIL regulation.

You mentioned before about a massive rift between P5 schools and the rest. That already exists. It wouldn't be about Alabama outbidding Memphis. They win just based on perception alone. It would be Alabama trying to outbid schools like Ohio State and Texas.

(06-24-2021 07:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Listening to an ATL radio sports talk show interviewing someone associated with UGA, I got the impression they thought the NIL payments & funding would likely be held in trust & might be shared among team members rather than specific individual athletes. Anyone else heard anything like that?

Yes and UGA immediately after released a statement saying they wouldn't do that. They know that's a recruiting disadvantage.

(06-24-2021 11:43 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:21 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:08 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Why is this concept so hard to understand? NIL is not school or conference revenue. Period. It is revenue from a part time job. An individual's income.

Maybe some schools will try to manage how it's distributed, but eventually, it will get shot down by the courts, imo.

The wording in that rule, as approved, seems pretty clear.

I understand it like that as well...

As far as sharing goes...

In football it could be sold the same as tips are shared...The Waiter (RB) shares his tips (NIL money) with the rest of the staff who makes him successful (Linemen)

Tough sell...But I wouldn't want to run behind a bunch of jealous linemen.

Basketball is every man for themselves.

If there is any way for the NCAA, conferences or universities to screw this up, you can bet it will happen somewhere.

To me, the rules seem to make it clear that schools are not allowed to interfere with the revenue. It is not their income to manage. They can only advise.

In your tip example, waiters are employees. For NIL, players are not employees, and the money is typical of that earned at any outside job, so I don't see how the schools get to interfere.

I do agree that NIL could cause issues, especially on the football team, but maybe star players decide to split some with their buddies without school mandates.

Oh I agree that the school cant mandate it...

But the players likely should take care of the guys who take care of them.

Probably not a good idea to show up in your Tesla with your NIL money while the lineman who make you that money are taking the bus.

Because people share their money everyday with other people.

Too too funny.

We have veered into pure silliness.

They don't have to share money...Just include your lineman in your endorsement deal. Anyone big enough to get big money for endorsements in college should know they have to play the long game to make sure they get their real payday.

Someone did that in the NFL a while ago.

Players used to buy expensive gifts for their lineman for years in the league...Until lineman started making more the RBs.

(06-24-2021 09:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 09:52 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The SEC equally divides conference generated revenue to all of its members; as does the NFL.

NIL is a different animal. It is not revenue that flows to the schools or to the conferences.

The Board of Governors specifically stated in their ruling, on the NCAA website, that schools are not to be involved in the deals, at all.

EXCERPT:

What specific elements did the Board of Governors approve at its April 28, 2020 meeting?

The board approved the areas for modernizing name, image and likeness rules for student-athletes. When approved by the NCAA membership, these rules would allow:

* Compensation for third-party endorsements related to athletics, without school or conference involvement.

* Compensation for other student-athlete opportunities, such as social media, new businesses, and personal appearances, without institutional involvement or the use of trademarks/logos.

The board emphasized that at no point should a school pay student-athletes for name, image and likeness activities.

https://www.ncaa.org/questions-and-answe...d-likeness

A lot has happened since that April meeting. I have heard scenarios where there will be collective bargaining with a pool of revenues. I have heard scenarios where conferences/schools manage revenues and agents.

Point is, I expect that approval from April last year to change by the time it's implemented. At least, until someone sues them again.

(06-24-2021 11:25 AM)micman Wrote:  I don't see how this is going to help us much. If we don't see local TV commercials with Ja Morant, why would we expect to see them with Landers Nolley?

Honestly, the Pom squad is probably the most marketable team at the U of M.

Maybe the $20k Ja could make from a King Cotton commercial is not worth it, to him.
But you can bet it would be worth it to Lester Quinones.

(06-24-2021 12:30 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:25 AM)micman Wrote:  I don't see how this is going to help us much. If we don't see local TV commercials with Ja Morant, why would we expect to see them with Landers Nolley?

Honestly, the Pom squad is probably the most marketable team at the U of M.

Exactly. It’s not like there will be a line at the door for signing players to endorsement deals. Local restaurants may have a few roadside sign spinner jobs open.

It's not just commercials though. Think social media influencers. Think jersey sales. Think meet-and-sign parties. Think courtesy cars from dealerships (that one will be interesting).

Y'all acting like paying college athletes is new.
"This will create disparity between the P5 and G5." We're there already.
"Open Pandora's Box." Yeah, about 30 years ago.
"Other players jealous of star's money." Are they now?

To be clear, this is new for the NCAA and "amateurism". But does it dramatically shift power and dynamics? Let's see.

(06-24-2021 06:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Y'all acting like paying college athletes is new.
"This will create disparity between the P5 and G5." We're there already.
"Open Pandora's Box." Yeah, about 30 years ago.
"Other players jealous of star's money." Are they now?

To be clear, this is new for the NCAA and "amateurism". But does it dramatically shift power and dynamics? Let's see.

(06-24-2021 02:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:43 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 11:21 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 10:08 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  I understand it like that as well...

As far as sharing goes...

In football it could be sold the same as tips are shared...The Waiter (RB) shares his tips (NIL money) with the rest of the staff who makes him successful (Linemen)

Tough sell...But I wouldn't want to run behind a bunch of jealous linemen.

Basketball is every man for themselves.

If there is any way for the NCAA, conferences or universities to screw this up, you can bet it will happen somewhere.

To me, the rules seem to make it clear that schools are not allowed to interfere with the revenue. It is not their income to manage. They can only advise.

In your tip example, waiters are employees. For NIL, players are not employees, and the money is typical of that earned at any outside job, so I don't see how the schools get to interfere.

I do agree that NIL could cause issues, especially on the football team, but maybe star players decide to split some with their buddies without school mandates.

Oh I agree that the school cant mandate it...

But the players likely should take care of the guys who take care of them.

Probably not a good idea to show up in your Tesla with your NIL money while the lineman who make you that money are taking the bus.

Because people share their money everyday with other people.

Too too funny.

We have veered into pure silliness.

They don't have to share money...Just include your lineman in your endorsement deal. Anyone big enough to get big money for endorsements in college should know they have to play the long game to make sure they get their real payday.

Someone did that in the NFL a while ago.

Players used to buy expensive gifts for their lineman for years in the league...Until lineman started making more the RBs.

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(06-24-2021 06:20 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 09:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-24-2021 09:52 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The SEC equally divides conference generated revenue to all of its members; as does the NFL.

NIL is a different animal. It is not revenue that flows to the schools or to the conferences.

The Board of Governors specifically stated in their ruling, on the NCAA website, that schools are not to be involved in the deals, at all.

EXCERPT:

What specific elements did the Board of Governors approve at its April 28, 2020 meeting?

The board approved the areas for modernizing name, image and likeness rules for student-athletes. When approved by the NCAA membership, these rules would allow:

* Compensation for third-party endorsements related to athletics, without school or conference involvement.

* Compensation for other student-athlete opportunities, such as social media, new businesses, and personal appearances, without institutional involvement or the use of trademarks/logos.

The board emphasized that at no point should a school pay student-athletes for name, image and likeness activities.

https://www.ncaa.org/questions-and-answe...d-likeness

A lot has happened since that April meeting. I have heard scenarios where there will be collective bargaining with a pool of revenues. I have heard scenarios where conferences/schools manage revenues and agents.

Point is, I expect that approval from April last year to change by the time it's implemented. At least, until someone sues them again.

Maybe so. But I couldn't find anything official in writing since that point, so that's the guidance until further notice.

(06-24-2021 06:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Y'all acting like paying college athletes is new.
"This will create disparity between the P5 and G5." We're there already.
"Open Pandora's Box." Yeah, about 30 years ago.
"Other players jealous of star's money." Are they now?

To be clear, this is new for the NCAA and "amateurism". But does it dramatically shift power and dynamics? Let's see.

In an earlier post somewhere, I mentioned this aspect of college athletics, especially in the 2 big revenue sports.

Has everybody forgotten the recent FBI cases with Louisville, Kansas, LSU, Arizona, etc.? It's not exactly a secret.

Star players getting money isn't new. Doing it legally (well, NCAA rules legal) in return for actual services performed will be new.

But the money figures being thrown around now by some in the media are mind boggling. We'll eventually see if that is just so much BS, or realistic.

Now things are REALLY getting interesting. TV money shared with college athletes?

NCAA takes legal hit again: Judge refuses to end case that could bring TV money to athletes
Steve Berkowitz
USA TODAY
June 24, 2021 2:13 pm ET

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...2TMH_BaOuY

(06-22-2021 08:55 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  SCotUS didn't say a damned thing other than, paraphrasing, NCAA you were given three years to raise exactly what issues you wish to address in your district court case. You didn't, go back to district court.

Reactionary headlines are bad, guys.

That's not really what they said.