(06-11-2021 08:49 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 09:40 PM)everyone Wrote:  Nothing but respect Herd but UCF and the like have pwned us. Yes USM or Marshall could compete on the field with any of them when we are at our best but they've done all they needed off the field to put themselves in a better position. Give credit where it is due. They've played the cartels game and found the scraps from the table.

I didn't say a thing about UCF. I simply stated the "Biggest Accomplishment" any of the AAC schools have had. And the Heisman Trophy is the biggest. But again that was 32 years and 3 conferences ago when Houston regularly played Texas, Texas Tech and Texas AM. None of the AAC schools have a team National Championship in anything (And no UCF in 2017 doesn't count, just because they said so). Houston in the Phi Slamma Jamma days made it to 2 title games losing both in 1983 to NC State 54-52 and 1984 losing to Georgetown 84-75. Somehow the 1983 title game is remembered by everyone but the 1984 title game has to have everyone's memory jogged.

And you give Marshall or almost anyone in CUSA UCFs athletic budget and I can almost bet they would have more separation than UCF has had.

Guess we are going to ignore past national championships and heismen winners?

Or that every team except USF and ECU have a NY6 bowl appearence in their history? (Including UConn)

Google is your friend try using it. Another surprise would be the number of days averaged in the top 25, where again the AAC teams historically dominate compared to anyone not A5, and some of them even.

Don’t forget ECU’s 1992 Peach Bowl championship & top 10 finish!

(06-10-2021 11:09 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 10:24 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  The P5 contractually exists because the three biggest bowls in the land had multi-million dollar deals with those conferences.

Rose has Big Ten and PAC.
Sugar has SEC and Big 12
Orange has ACC and highest rated from Norte Dame/SEC 2nd/Big12 2nd.

Until the Orange, Peach, Fiesta, or Cotton Bowl decide they want to ink a deal to lock the AAC champ into their bowl and thus guarantee them a NY6 slot, they won't be a Power football conference. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

What do they bring to the table.

No markets
Houston/SMU- Texas, Texas AM and even Texas Tech have Houston and Dallas covered
UCF/USF- Florida, Florida State. Miami all say HI in Orlando and Tampa Bay
Memphis- The Big Orange of Tennessee says we have that
Cincinnati- THE Ohio State dwarfs all of the programs in Ohio
Temple- Pitt and Penn State cover all of Pennsylvania
Tulsa- Oklahoma and Oklahoma State says no need
Tulane- The purple of LSU is everywhere in the state of Louisiana
ECU- North Carolina, North Carolina State and even South Carolina have Greenville covered
Navy- Maryland and Penn Ste to a degree are the only thing that matters in that area.

Do any of them bring prestige or academics to the fold. The biggest athletic accomplishment would be Andre Ware at Houston winning the Heisman. Even Phi Slamma Jamma didn't win a national title. And well the Heisman win was 32 years and 3 conferences ago.

huh? them thar vols are 7 hours from Memphis on the other side of the State...

I wish these visiting conference fans would post more than in a flame thread mocking the P6 narrative.

Its clearly a trigger. It's kinda sad honestly.

I have a lot of respect for a few AAC schools, but I've seen this time and time again. They honestly believe they are better than us, by a lot. It's delusional.

(06-12-2021 10:51 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I wish these visiting conference fans would post more than in a flame thread mocking the P6 narrative.

It's the off season...not a lot to talk about.

Marshall has been ranked in the AP and Coach’s Poll a total of 15 weeks since 2014. Not great but definitely respectable. That is the most of any CUSA/MAC/Sun Belt team. Here’s how it would stack up with the AAC teams. The AAC stats are from a post on the AAC board so not sure how accurate they are but seem about right.

UCF- 47 weeks
Cincy- 33 weeks
Memphis- 26 weeks
USF- 21 weeks

Navy- 17 weeks
MARSHALL- 15 weeks
SMU- 14 weeks

Temple- 8 weeks
Tulsa- 6 weeks

ECU- 0
Tulane- 0
Houston wasn’t listed either so that would be 0, but I felt like that have been ranked in Top 25, just not sure how many weeks.

(06-12-2021 10:52 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I have a lot of respect for a few AAC schools, but I've seen this time and time again. They honestly believe they are better than us, by a lot. It's delusional.

It’s all bluster and they know better especially when we consistently smack around their best teams in bowl games.

42-7 in the first half against SMU and beating their Champ and ranked Navy in Ft Worth

(06-11-2021 10:36 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:04 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I try not to throw stones at other conferences that have been to more NY6 Bowls then my own. If they make it good for them. What separates a lot of programs is luck, and association with others. Tech has lacked both. Wife took son to football camp in Starkville last weekend. The noted the difference between Tech and Mississippi State was the 50+ million in SEC money every year and the home games with half the SEC West every year. Mississippi State is better than Tech because they were lucky enough to have been associated with the Alabamas, LSUs, and Tennessees of the world. It is what it is and unless we luck up like Wester Michigan did last week, that's not going to change for any of us.

I don't think any of this is luck. Association does matter to an extent but look at Liberty or BYU. Just a big windfall of money isn't enough. You need the right leadership in place and the right timing. USM needs a windfall for a new bball arena, IPF and several sustained years of success to even have someone from another conference/playoff committee raise an eyebrow. Tech, Marshall, USM or UAB needs to breakthrough but realistically we will just keep beating up on each other at the same level of competition and getting the same level of talent/coaching. What App, ULALA and Coastal have done lately is great but not sustainable. Liberty has all the pieces in place to have a breakthrough.

In reference to success being sustainable on our level, the truth is no one knows what can be maintained right now. For the last few years, each year has been something new to adjust to. From increase T.V. and Streaming viewership, Full cost of attendance, the transfer portal, one time transfer rule, the affects of covid, name, image and likeness, moving into new CFP access. There is no history that can show how any school handles all these factors one after another. Plus the normal issues of coaching changes, keeping up with the facilities jones, etc. In my case, I hope these changes make it now possible for Louisiana to sustain the current level of success they have gained.

(06-12-2021 12:07 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Marshall has been ranked in the AP and Coach’s Poll a total of 15 weeks since 2014. Not great but definitely respectable. That is the most of any CUSA/MAC/Sun Belt team. Here’s how it would stack up with the AAC teams. The AAC stats are from a post on the AAC board so not sure how accurate they are but seem about right.

UCF- 47 weeks
Cincy- 33 weeks
Memphis- 26 weeks
USF- 21 weeks

Navy- 17 weeks
MARSHALL- 15 weeks
SMU- 14 weeks

Temple- 8 weeks
Tulsa- 6 weeks

ECU- 0
Tulane- 0
Houston wasn’t listed either so that would be 0, but I felt like that have been ranked in Top 25, just not sure how many weeks.

Not sure if you are counting 2014 but ECU spent 5 or 6 weeks in both the AP & coaches poll. Hopefully we are on the way back up this year.

(06-11-2021 10:51 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:36 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:04 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I try not to throw stones at other conferences that have been to more NY6 Bowls then my own. If they make it good for them. What separates a lot of programs is luck, and association with others. Tech has lacked both. Wife took son to football camp in Starkville last weekend. The noted the difference between Tech and Mississippi State was the 50+ million in SEC money every year and the home games with half the SEC West every year. Mississippi State is better than Tech because they were lucky enough to have been associated with the Alabamas, LSUs, and Tennessees of the world. It is what it is and unless we luck up like Wester Michigan did last week, that's not going to change for any of us.

I don't think any of this is luck. Association does matter to an extent but look at Liberty or BYU. Just a big windfall of money isn't enough. You need the right leadership in place and the right timing. USM needs a windfall for a new bball arena, IPF and several sustained years of success to even have someone from another conference/playoff committee raise an eyebrow. Tech, Marshall, USM or UAB needs to breakthrough but realistically we will just keep beating up on each other at the same level of competition and getting the same level of talent/coaching. What App, ULALA and Coastal have done lately is great but not sustainable. Liberty has all the pieces in place to have a breakthrough.

You are right to a degree. I think the real answer is somewhere in between. The biggest issue we face is the financial disparity. Tech and USM can't raise the sufficient endowment needed to compete when we are constantly fundraising just to keep the lights on. Our association with each other is a strong point but it has not been marketed nearly as well as others. CUSA has done a terrible job of flexing its brand. When folks look at us they see a ramshackle group of teams floating from network to network for games and no real identity. Sunbelt did a fantastic job of really showing out while others were looking and while it isn't sustainableit can lead to other things. Liberty and BYU have deep coffers because of their religious affiliations and because Liberty has really horned in on the online education concept. Many of us have a century long history of great football but our piss poor management and bad luck as not allowed us to capitalize on it at the right time.

Thanks for the praise. Despite how some others would try to play that down 2020 was a fantastic year for UL and the SBC, it of course was. But what are you saying is not sustainable? Many, including most of the national sports press/pundits, so not just UL fans, are saying 2021 will be even better.

(06-12-2021 03:25 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:51 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:36 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:04 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I try not to throw stones at other conferences that have been to more NY6 Bowls then my own. If they make it good for them. What separates a lot of programs is luck, and association with others. Tech has lacked both. Wife took son to football camp in Starkville last weekend. The noted the difference between Tech and Mississippi State was the 50+ million in SEC money every year and the home games with half the SEC West every year. Mississippi State is better than Tech because they were lucky enough to have been associated with the Alabamas, LSUs, and Tennessees of the world. It is what it is and unless we luck up like Wester Michigan did last week, that's not going to change for any of us.

I don't think any of this is luck. Association does matter to an extent but look at Liberty or BYU. Just a big windfall of money isn't enough. You need the right leadership in place and the right timing. USM needs a windfall for a new bball arena, IPF and several sustained years of success to even have someone from another conference/playoff committee raise an eyebrow. Tech, Marshall, USM or UAB needs to breakthrough but realistically we will just keep beating up on each other at the same level of competition and getting the same level of talent/coaching. What App, ULALA and Coastal have done lately is great but not sustainable. Liberty has all the pieces in place to have a breakthrough.

You are right to a degree. I think the real answer is somewhere in between. The biggest issue we face is the financial disparity. Tech and USM can't raise the sufficient endowment needed to compete when we are constantly fundraising just to keep the lights on. Our association with each other is a strong point but it has not been marketed nearly as well as others. CUSA has done a terrible job of flexing its brand. When folks look at us they see a ramshackle group of teams floating from network to network for games and no real identity. Sunbelt did a fantastic job of really showing out while others were looking and while it isn't sustainableit can lead to other things. Liberty and BYU have deep coffers because of their religious affiliations and because Liberty has really horned in on the online education concept. Many of us have a century long history of great football but our piss poor management and bad luck as not allowed us to capitalize on it at the right time.

Thanks for the praise. Despite how some others would try to play that down 2020 was a fantastic year for UL and the SBC. But what are you saying is not sustainable?

Every program goes through peaks and valleys. That is all.

(06-12-2021 03:29 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 03:25 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:51 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:36 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:04 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I try not to throw stones at other conferences that have been to more NY6 Bowls then my own. If they make it good for them. What separates a lot of programs is luck, and association with others. Tech has lacked both. Wife took son to football camp in Starkville last weekend. The noted the difference between Tech and Mississippi State was the 50+ million in SEC money every year and the home games with half the SEC West every year. Mississippi State is better than Tech because they were lucky enough to have been associated with the Alabamas, LSUs, and Tennessees of the world. It is what it is and unless we luck up like Wester Michigan did last week, that's not going to change for any of us.

I don't think any of this is luck. Association does matter to an extent but look at Liberty or BYU. Just a big windfall of money isn't enough. You need the right leadership in place and the right timing. USM needs a windfall for a new bball arena, IPF and several sustained years of success to even have someone from another conference/playoff committee raise an eyebrow. Tech, Marshall, USM or UAB needs to breakthrough but realistically we will just keep beating up on each other at the same level of competition and getting the same level of talent/coaching. What App, ULALA and Coastal have done lately is great but not sustainable. Liberty has all the pieces in place to have a breakthrough.

You are right to a degree. I think the real answer is somewhere in between. The biggest issue we face is the financial disparity. Tech and USM can't raise the sufficient endowment needed to compete when we are constantly fundraising just to keep the lights on. Our association with each other is a strong point but it has not been marketed nearly as well as others. CUSA has done a terrible job of flexing its brand. When folks look at us they see a ramshackle group of teams floating from network to network for games and no real identity. Sunbelt did a fantastic job of really showing out while others were looking and while it isn't sustainableit can lead to other things. Liberty and BYU have deep coffers because of their religious affiliations and because Liberty has really horned in on the online education concept. Many of us have a century long history of great football but our piss poor management and bad luck as not allowed us to capitalize on it at the right time.

Thanks for the praise. Despite how some others would try to play that down 2020 was a fantastic year for UL and the SBC. But what are you saying is not sustainable?

Every program goes through peaks and valleys. That is all.

Yes, agreed. But wouldn’t you also agree that how high those peaks are vs how low the peaks that follow can be program defining?

People like our Admin, who bring in someone like Napier, seem to be making just such strides. How successful they are remains to be seen but 2021 should be very telling.

(06-12-2021 02:36 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 12:07 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Marshall has been ranked in the AP and Coach’s Poll a total of 15 weeks since 2014. Not great but definitely respectable. That is the most of any CUSA/MAC/Sun Belt team. Here’s how it would stack up with the AAC teams. The AAC stats are from a post on the AAC board so not sure how accurate they are but seem about right.

UCF- 47 weeks
Cincy- 33 weeks
Memphis- 26 weeks
USF- 21 weeks

Navy- 17 weeks
MARSHALL- 15 weeks
SMU- 14 weeks

Temple- 8 weeks
Tulsa- 6 weeks

ECU- 0
Tulane- 0
Houston wasn’t listed either so that would be 0, but I felt like that have been ranked in Top 25, just not sure how many weeks.

Not sure if you are counting 2014 but ECU spent 5 or 6 weeks in both the AP & coaches poll. Hopefully we are on the way back up this year.

I was counting 2014 because that’s when the last round of re-alignment was completed (ECU joining AAC and WKU joining CUSA).

I didn’t figure that AAC list was completely accurate. I just got it from a post on your board.

I hope ECU gets back as well. I love the friendly and respectable rivalry we developed with you all, and you have imo, the best G5 fan base. Hope you can make it to Huntington for the game this year.

(06-12-2021 01:23 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 10:52 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I have a lot of respect for a few AAC schools, but I've seen this time and time again. They honestly believe they are better than us, by a lot. It's delusional.

It’s all bluster and they know better especially when we consistently smack around their best teams in bowl games.

42-7 in the first half against SMU and beating their Champ and ranked Navy in Ft Worth

It’s off season boredom, but the whole premise that the aac doesn’t bring markets is laughable and sounds like sour grapes. Don’t like the p6 marketing? I hear you. The whole idea of the campaign is that we’re superior to you so I don’t blame you guys. It’s inherently condescending and kinda ******.

If la tech was invited to the aac would you be in favor of joining?

(06-12-2021 07:02 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 01:23 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 10:52 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I have a lot of respect for a few AAC schools, but I've seen this time and time again. They honestly believe they are better than us, by a lot. It's delusional.

It’s all bluster and they know better especially when we consistently smack around their best teams in bowl games.

42-7 in the first half against SMU and beating their Champ and ranked Navy in Ft Worth

It’s off season boredom, but the whole premise that the aac doesn’t bring markets is laughable and sounds like sour grapes. Don’t like the p6 marketing? I hear you. The whole idea of the campaign is that we’re superior to you so I don’t blame you guys. It’s inherently condescending and kinda ******.

If la tech was invited to the aac would you be in favor of joining?

Personally, I don’t mind it. You guys are doing what you are supposed to do both on and off the field. My only complaint with the AAC is Marshall is superior to Tulane, Temple, SMU, and Tulsa. It bothers me that those programs got AAC invites over Marshall, So Miss, and UAB.

(06-12-2021 07:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 07:02 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 01:23 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 10:52 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I have a lot of respect for a few AAC schools, but I've seen this time and time again. They honestly believe they are better than us, by a lot. It's delusional.

It’s all bluster and they know better especially when we consistently smack around their best teams in bowl games.

42-7 in the first half against SMU and beating their Champ and ranked Navy in Ft Worth

It’s off season boredom, but the whole premise that the aac doesn’t bring markets is laughable and sounds like sour grapes. Don’t like the p6 marketing? I hear you. The whole idea of the campaign is that we’re superior to you so I don’t blame you guys. It’s inherently condescending and kinda ******.

If la tech was invited to the aac would you be in favor of joining?

Personally, I don’t mind it. You guys are doing what you are supposed to do both on and off the field. My only complaint with the AAC is Marshall is superior to Tulane, Temple, SMU, and Tulsa. It bothers me that those programs got AAC invites over Marshall, So Miss, and UAB.

Marshall has also outperformed ECU.

Marshall basketball also beat Wichita State in the NCAA tournament.

Look, we all agree the AAC is a better conference, but to say they are far and away better than the entirety of the G5 is not true.

Individual teams have success, not entire conferences. And we are all prone to highs and lows. It's all about leveraging those good teams. You hope when it all clicks, you have the golden schedule to back it up.

(06-12-2021 03:25 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:51 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:36 AM)everyone Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 10:04 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I try not to throw stones at other conferences that have been to more NY6 Bowls then my own. If they make it good for them. What separates a lot of programs is luck, and association with others. Tech has lacked both. Wife took son to football camp in Starkville last weekend. The noted the difference between Tech and Mississippi State was the 50+ million in SEC money every year and the home games with half the SEC West every year. Mississippi State is better than Tech because they were lucky enough to have been associated with the Alabamas, LSUs, and Tennessees of the world. It is what it is and unless we luck up like Wester Michigan did last week, that's not going to change for any of us.

I don't think any of this is luck. Association does matter to an extent but look at Liberty or BYU. Just a big windfall of money isn't enough. You need the right leadership in place and the right timing. USM needs a windfall for a new bball arena, IPF and several sustained years of success to even have someone from another conference/playoff committee raise an eyebrow. Tech, Marshall, USM or UAB needs to breakthrough but realistically we will just keep beating up on each other at the same level of competition and getting the same level of talent/coaching. What App, ULALA and Coastal have done lately is great but not sustainable. Liberty has all the pieces in place to have a breakthrough.

You are right to a degree. I think the real answer is somewhere in between. The biggest issue we face is the financial disparity. Tech and USM can't raise the sufficient endowment needed to compete when we are constantly fundraising just to keep the lights on. Our association with each other is a strong point but it has not been marketed nearly as well as others. CUSA has done a terrible job of flexing its brand. When folks look at us they see a ramshackle group of teams floating from network to network for games and no real identity. Sunbelt did a fantastic job of really showing out while others were looking and while it isn't sustainableit can lead to other things. Liberty and BYU have deep coffers because of their religious affiliations and because Liberty has really horned in on the online education concept. Many of us have a century long history of great football but our piss poor management and bad luck as not allowed us to capitalize on it at the right time.

Thanks for the praise. Despite how some others would try to play that down 2020 was a fantastic year for UL and the SBC, it of course was. But what are you saying is not sustainable? Many, including most of the national sports press/pundits, so not just UL fans, are saying 2021 will be even better.

It's not just you guys. What G5 programs have a chance at sustainable success? A select few maybe? There are many factors. One big one is leadership and continuing to make good coaching hires. This is a big reason USM fell off. When Napier is gone we will see. UCF and the like continue to make good hires and have the money to attract the Malzhans of the world. Although independent, Liberty being able to keep Freeze is huge for their sustained success. Cincy keeping their coach is a major factor.

(06-12-2021 04:43 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 02:36 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 12:07 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Marshall has been ranked in the AP and Coach’s Poll a total of 15 weeks since 2014. Not great but definitely respectable. That is the most of any CUSA/MAC/Sun Belt team. Here’s how it would stack up with the AAC teams. The AAC stats are from a post on the AAC board so not sure how accurate they are but seem about right.

UCF- 47 weeks
Cincy- 33 weeks
Memphis- 26 weeks
USF- 21 weeks

Navy- 17 weeks
MARSHALL- 15 weeks
SMU- 14 weeks

Temple- 8 weeks
Tulsa- 6 weeks

ECU- 0
Tulane- 0
Houston wasn’t listed either so that would be 0, but I felt like that have been ranked in Top 25, just not sure how many weeks.

Not sure if you are counting 2014 but ECU spent 5 or 6 weeks in both the AP & coaches poll. Hopefully we are on the way back up this year.

I was counting 2014 because that’s when the last round of re-alignment was completed (ECU joining AAC and WKU joining CUSA).

I didn’t figure that AAC list was completely accurate. I just got it from a post on your board.

I hope ECU gets back as well. I love the friendly and respectable rivalry we developed with you all, and you have imo, the best G5 fan base. Hope you can make it to Huntington for the game this year.

That post has been corrected. Here are the totals since 2014:

Tulane 0 (several weeks receiving votes)

ECU 6
Tulsa 6 ○
Temple 8 ○

SMU 14
Navy 17 ○

Houston 20 ○*
USF 21
Memphis 26 ○*

Cincinnati 33 ○*

UCF 47 ○*

○ Conference Championship Game Appearence
* NY6 Representative

Every team but one has been ranked multiple weeks, four different NY6 teams, seven of the eleven have made a championship game.

Please share the corresponding numbers for all of Conference USA.

(06-12-2021 07:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Marshall basketball also beat Wichita State in the NCAA tournament.

Look, we all agree the AAC is a better conference, but to say they are far and away better than the entirety of the G5 is not true.

Individual teams have success, not entire conferences. And we are all prone to highs and lows. It's all about leveraging those good teams. You hope when it all clicks, you have the golden schedule to back it up.

Please see post above.

We can also compare any sport you like, although basketball is probably not the one to choose. Maybe baseball? Or soccer? Of course over time that recent success isn't enough in those sports to overcome the performance of the entire era since the realignments. Not in conference or individual program strength. The learfield cup standings sho.this for individual schools and the conference overall.