(06-10-2021 02:15 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 12:08 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  to be fair and eliminate all questions of fairness 16 teams (12 conference champs + 4 at-large)

There are only 10 conferences.

For now, WAC has asperation to play at the FBS level within 3 years and the A-Sun has similar aspirations within 6 years.

One thing I think this does is that it will pretty well guarantee we won't have to add a 12th member. The reason? I bet you dollars to donuts that the major P5 conferences are now going to be quite motivated to change the way they do their conference championship games and to move away from divisions.

If there's not a lock for the P5 to get their conference champs into the playoff, they're going to want to ensure that both teams in the championship game have a chance of being one of the top 6 ranked champs and, ideally, securing that first round bye. So they're going to want to avoid having crappy divisions sending a team to the championship game. The Pac-12 would have rather had ranked Colorado play against USC in their championship game instead of Oregon, who then won. No more 7-5 Pitt or 8-4 Northwestern playing in a title game. Plus, this will allow them to start playing the rest of the conference more regularly instead of having kids go through an entire career and never play certain conference members.

USFFan

(06-10-2021 03:17 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  I'll also say that the timing of Boise State no longer being considered for AAC membership right before this proposal is announced is... interesting.

^^^ THIS ^^^
I was just about to post that the talking heads totally missed the reason for AAC expansion talks coming to an abrupt stop... This is a huge deal no doubt, but for the first time I will respectfully suggest that Aresco earn his salary and make sure that the AAC is separated from the G4 as the sixth "preferred" conference in that "Six conference champions"

Worry about conference expansion after the CFP expansion ink dries.

(06-10-2021 02:39 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:09 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Have been thinking about this for the past hour. If this implemented, wouldn’t a second tier P5 school have to consider joining the AAC. Let’s use Minnesota as an example— your odds of winning the conference in the AAC are higher than trying to beat out higher resources programs like Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan every year.

They are never giving up the money.

I'd have argued WVU might have considered it more than Minnesota.

Mind you, I don't think WVU would do it. But if I'm Aresco, I'm at least making the call. They're a giant fish out of water in the Big 12. Moving into the AAC means they have road trips to Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, Navy (for football), Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, Central Florida and South Florida (the latter two of whom are in WVU's primary recruiting base) that are all less than 1,000 miles and closer than Oklahoma and Texas. And would give them a MUCH better chance of reaching a playoff (and returning to football relevance) than hoping to get the table crumbs after the Sooners and Longhorns take their share...

Again, I don't think they'd go for it. But I'd force them to turn it down if I were Aresco...

USFFan

Short-term, TV money really prevents any of the P5 moving to AAC.

Maybe in a couple more seasons AAC can get a better tv deal.

I think we are positioned well considering most of our teams are in big markets.

(06-10-2021 04:16 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:39 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:09 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 02:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 01:54 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

Have been thinking about this for the past hour. If this implemented, wouldn’t a second tier P5 school have to consider joining the AAC. Let’s use Minnesota as an example— your odds of winning the conference in the AAC are higher than trying to beat out higher resources programs like Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan every year.

They are never giving up the money.

I'd have argued WVU might have considered it more than Minnesota.

Mind you, I don't think WVU would do it. But if I'm Aresco, I'm at least making the call. They're a giant fish out of water in the Big 12. Moving into the AAC means they have road trips to Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, Navy (for football), Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, Central Florida and South Florida (the latter two of whom are in WVU's primary recruiting base) that are all less than 1,000 miles and closer than Oklahoma and Texas. And would give them a MUCH better chance of reaching a playoff (and returning to football relevance) than hoping to get the table crumbs after the Sooners and Longhorns take their share...

Again, I don't think they'd go for it. But I'd force them to turn it down if I were Aresco...

USFFan

Short-term, TV money really prevents any of the P5 moving to AAC.

Maybe in a couple more seasons AAC can get a better tv deal.

I think we are positioned well considering most of our teams are in big markets.

We have a 12 year TV contract that just started, and there are no look-in years or any other means to renegotiate it before it ends.

(06-10-2021 03:04 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-09-2021 09:42 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  If they expand to 12 Aresco needs to earn his paycheck and get us an auto-bid. But we also need to get the G5 spot and win the next two seasons.

If you think about it the AAC has just as many playoff wins under this current system as the Big 12.

No conference has an auto bid under the new proposal...it's possible that two G5s could occasionally be in the six highest ranked conference champions under this new proposal....most likely ahead of a weak PAC 12 conference champion.

I believe with this format last year, Cincy and Coastal Carolina would have both been in the Top 6 Conference champions?

(06-10-2021 04:31 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 03:04 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-09-2021 09:42 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  If they expand to 12 Aresco needs to earn his paycheck and get us an auto-bid. But we also need to get the G5 spot and win the next two seasons.

If you think about it the AAC has just as many playoff wins under this current system as the Big 12.

No conference has an auto bid under the new proposal...it's possible that two G5s could occasionally be in the six highest ranked conference champions under this new proposal....most likely ahead of a weak PAC 12 conference champion.

I believe with this format last year, Cincy and Coastal Carolina would have both been in the Top 6 Conference champions?

Yep the PAC would have been left out

It's going to be funny when something like that happens

(06-10-2021 04:31 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 03:04 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-09-2021 09:42 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  If they expand to 12 Aresco needs to earn his paycheck and get us an auto-bid. But we also need to get the G5 spot and win the next two seasons.

If you think about it the AAC has just as many playoff wins under this current system as the Big 12.

No conference has an auto bid under the new proposal...it's possible that two G5s could occasionally be in the six highest ranked conference champions under this new proposal....most likely ahead of a weak PAC 12 conference champion.

I believe with this format last year, Cincy and Coastal Carolina would have both been in the Top 6 Conference champions?

Yes but this was an outlier year due to Covid and teams and conferences playing an unbalanced schedule. Also remember who are the ones that will be making that poll of the top 12 teams

(06-10-2021 04:38 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 04:31 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 03:04 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-09-2021 09:42 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  If they expand to 12 Aresco needs to earn his paycheck and get us an auto-bid. But we also need to get the G5 spot and win the next two seasons.

If you think about it the AAC has just as many playoff wins under this current system as the Big 12.

No conference has an auto bid under the new proposal...it's possible that two G5s could occasionally be in the six highest ranked conference champions under this new proposal....most likely ahead of a weak PAC 12 conference champion.

I believe with this format last year, Cincy and Coastal Carolina would have both been in the Top 6 Conference champions?

Yes but this was an outlier year due to Covid and teams and conferences playing an unbalanced schedule. Also remember who are the ones that will be making that poll of the top 12 teams

I do remember .. but so far the Pac 12 doesn't seem like it's been given any extra benefit from being part of the P5. Either way, 1 is guaranteed, but 2 isn't out of the possibility.

I’m so happy right. Time for all of us to step up and start winning. We need to lock any potential conferences out of the 6th spot. This is going to bring our conference so much more money and our coaches a chance at a national championship. Future looks so bright boys. Someone take a shot with me

Now that I think about it, I would not be surprised to hear BYU, BSU and SDSU all are joining the AAC.

This is the smoking gun that Aresco and the AAC needed. With those three added, our strength of schedule couldn't be beat by anyone but the other 5 power conferences. We would be the de facto 6th Power Conference. I know that BYU can join for Football at any time while BSU and SDSU have to give notice.

Now, I'm not saying this will happen. I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

Perhaps my favorite thing I read on all of this:

Loose lips sink ships. This is why I f-ing hated the way the former regime in Memphis used to attention-whore the hell out of themselves to tell anybody who would listen things that were better left quiet. I just hope things are going to be buttoned up now.

USFFan

This will cement the AAC as having access being P6. No way even an undefeated CUSA would get over AAC champion with 1 or fewer losses. AAC would use the common P5 reasoning vs other G5 conferences. Sorry but you didn't play a hard enough schedule. Finally, that logic will benefit an AAC team.

(06-10-2021 04:09 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 03:17 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  I'll also say that the timing of Boise State no longer being considered for AAC membership right before this proposal is announced is... interesting.

^^^ THIS ^^^
I was just about to post that the talking heads totally missed the reason for AAC expansion talks coming to an abrupt stop... This is a huge deal no doubt, but for the first time I will respectfully suggest that Aresco earn his salary and make sure that the AAC is separated from the G4 as the sixth "preferred" conference in that "Six conference champions"

Worry about conference expansion after the CFP expansion ink dries.

I think you have to invite BYU and Boise now. Especially with the possibility that BYU might rejoin the Mountain West making that conference was closer to the AAC. Bring those two teams over in the Mountain West is history as far as the playoffs in my opinion.

i wonder will the “ A5 committee “ even be needed any more and just rely on AP and coaches polls
this might be close to a done deal because if the autonomous conferences moved to 12 without the g5 conferences it might have cost them double the 91 million they pays us to be second fiddle, heck mybe even triple and would the g5 have accepted that money
mybe they have realized this proposal is the path of least resistance

why i ask is this a better deal for UCF and Cincy over other schools in aac ?
i see this as a huge recruiting boom for houston, houston’s recruiting
base is as good as florida or ohio

It would be interesting to know the role Aresco had to play in this top 6 conference champs inclusion.

Also, where the hell is QV? He's been saying this was never a remote possibility since the P5/G5 garbage was invented.

(06-10-2021 05:46 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  why i ask is this a better deal for UCF and Cincy over other schools in aac ?

It's not, it's just that they were the last two representatives in the NYD6 games. Also, talking heads need something to talk about.

(06-10-2021 05:48 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 05:46 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  why i ask is this a better deal for UCF and Cincy over other schools in aac ?

It's not, it's just that they were the last two representatives in the NYD6 games.

Just a recent example of whom would benefit.

(06-10-2021 05:53 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 05:48 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(06-10-2021 05:46 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  why i ask is this a better deal for UCF and Cincy over other schools in aac ?

It's not, it's just that they were the last two representatives in the NYD6 games.

Just a recent example of whom would benefit.

This ^^