Revenue per School

$68,812,414 SMU
$67,382,982 Houston
$61,254,516 Memphis
$60,719,852 Temple
$59,531,111 USF
$59,265,539 UCF
$52,971,327 Cincinnati
$51,956,014 ECU
$38,078,189 Tulsa
$31,836,150 Tulane
$28,477,659 Wichita

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search

Always have loved that site. Have it in my favorites. Some interesting reading is the numbers for some of the proposed candidates.

(06-03-2021 02:29 PM)panama Wrote:  Always have loved that site. Have it in my favorites. Some interesting reading is the numbers for some of the proposed candidates.

To wit

BYU $75,233,084


SDSU $58,258,230
Colorado State $56,855,712

Liberty $47,756,081
Boise State $42,670,364

Floor below which the only football-playing member in the AAC resides is Tulane

UAB $35,725,431
Georgia State $34,058,909
Marshall $31,803,256
Coastal Carolina $30,828,813
Buffalo $29,803,704
App. State $28,721,844

Any more questions why the AAC is focused out west?

USFFan

(06-03-2021 02:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 02:29 PM)panama Wrote:  Always have loved that site. Have it in my favorites. Some interesting reading is the numbers for some of the proposed candidates.

To wit

BYU $75,233,084


SDSU $58,258,230
Colorado State $56,855,712

Liberty $47,756,081
Boise State $42,670,364

Floor below which the only football-playing member in the AAC resides is Tulane

UAB $35,725,431
Georgia State $34,058,909
Marshall $31,803,256
Coastal Carolina $30,828,813
Buffalo $29,803,704
App. State $28,721,844

Any more questions why the AAC is focused out west?

USFFan

Plenty

(06-03-2021 03:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 02:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 02:29 PM)panama Wrote:  Always have loved that site. Have it in my favorites. Some interesting reading is the numbers for some of the proposed candidates.

To wit

BYU $75,233,084


SDSU $58,258,230
Colorado State $56,855,712

Liberty $47,756,081
Boise State $42,670,364

Floor below which the only football-playing member in the AAC resides is Tulane

UAB $35,725,431
Georgia State $34,058,909
Marshall $31,803,256
Coastal Carolina $30,828,813
Buffalo $29,803,704
App. State $28,721,844

Any more questions why the AAC is focused out west?

USFFan

Plenty

Because you'd prefer that the AAC not look west. Adding 3 schools with budgets comparable to those schools already in the conference along with adding extra time slots every week to the football calendar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding schools that would immediately enter the conference with a budget significantly below every football playing member that adds nothing to the conference. Any impartial person would be able to see that.

USFFan

My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

What’s doing that is the P divide and the G leagues being insignificant. Sorry but as a fan I have little interest of being in a regional conference. I much rather see my school in the strongest conference possible.

Wow, the 247 team boards are silly and mean. That Temple board seems filled with crazies.

(06-03-2021 04:30 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

What’s doing that is the P divide and the G leagues being insignificant. Sorry but as a fan I have little interest of being in a regional conference. I much rather see my school in the strongest conference possible.

No. Power conferences are having attendance issues as well. People are losing interest and there is too much else to do. All games are on TV soemwhere. And the costs keep going up. So games are going to have to have some draw and interest for people to spend $150 as a family to sit somewhere for 4 hours. So the question is how many people in Tampa are interested in Colorado State as an opponent?

(06-03-2021 04:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:30 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

What’s doing that is the P divide and the G leagues being insignificant. Sorry but as a fan I have little interest of being in a regional conference. I much rather see my school in the strongest conference possible.

No. Power conferences are having attendance issues as well. People are losing interest and there is too much else to do. All games are on TV soemwhere. And the costs keep going up. So games are going to have to have some draw and interest for people to spend $150 as a family to sit somewhere for 4 hours. So the question is how many people in Tampa are interested in Colorado State as an opponent?

Football is becoming a TV game. The days of packing the stadiums is over. Here is a flash bringing in an FIU, FAU, Georgia State, UAB all regional teams will draw as good or bad as Colorado State. That’s a fact maybe you will get 2-3k more in visiting fans but that’s reality.
Once again I want the strongest conference for my school, I want them to win but the reality is that outside of big name schools like UF, FSU, Alabama or Georgia those other regional names won’t mean much to those same fans that won’t show for a Colorado State.

(06-03-2021 05:42 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:30 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

What’s doing that is the P divide and the G leagues being insignificant. Sorry but as a fan I have little interest of being in a regional conference. I much rather see my school in the strongest conference possible.

No. Power conferences are having attendance issues as well. People are losing interest and there is too much else to do. All games are on TV soemwhere. And the costs keep going up. So games are going to have to have some draw and interest for people to spend $150 as a family to sit somewhere for 4 hours. So the question is how many people in Tampa are interested in Colorado State as an opponent?

Football is becoming a TV game. The days of packing the stadiums is over. Here is a flash bringing in an FIU, FAU, Georgia State, UAB all regional teams will draw as good or bad as Colorado State. That’s a fact maybe you will get 2-3k more in visiting fans but that’s reality.
Once again I want the strongest conference for my school, I want them to win but the reality is that outside of big name schools like UF, FSU, Alabama or Georgia those other regional names won’t mean much to those same fans that won’t show for a Colorado State.

Yes, you have to design a stadium today that is more than just about a game, it has to be a social experience with all the tech bells and whistles so people can go on social media and post pictures of them having fun. Older people tend to prefer the old ways but I think sports are losing the younger generations. When I was growing up all kids did sports and looked to pursue them in HS. Now, many kids are just happy playing WOW, COD or Madden. In many ways, going smaller in a stadium build can be more profitable as the game experience (such as sight lines) is better and reduced supply can drive demand and prices up. Take UCLA for example. Their football attendance has been dropping like a rock for years now. In 2019 the average attendance was just under 44K which does not look good in a 91K seat stadium, whether you see it from your seat or via an overhead shot from a blimp.

You can now buy a 75 inch TV for a song and you can invite friends over for the social aspect. You can have great food and drinks and not have the price tag of being at the stadium. You also don't have to fight the traffic.

I do believe sports are losing the younger generation but I do not believe it's for the reason that everyone is playing it up to. The newest gadgets, the best seating...I believe it has more to do with how the baseball strike in the 90s went down. It put a bad taste in a lot of fans mouths and they still never fully recovered from that. Football realignment has done the same thing for college football. It pissed off a lot of fans and they stopped showing. A lot of the younger generation are not going to watch a team play no matter how good they are if they will never get a chance at a national title. Fans are not willing to pay big bucks to watch our teams play other teams left on the outside. Even inside the "Privileged conferences" the lower teams are losing fans left and right because it's the same 5 teams every year. Sports are losing fans for multiple reasons...Ego, Conceit, Amenities, Separation....but the #1 reason and by a HUGE margin is the LACK OF PARITY!

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

I cant imagine there's much difference between the fan interest in a school 1000 miles away and one 2500 miles away. I suspect more people would get excited over a game with Boise or BYU than a game vs Charlotte or ODU. Once you get out of state or more than a few hundred miles away---BRAND is 1000X better predictor of local fan interest than distance.

(06-04-2021 12:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

I cant imagine there's much difference between the fan interest in a school 1000 miles away and one 2500 miles away. I suspect more people would get excited over a game with Boise or BYU than a game vs Charlotte or ODU. Once you get out of state or more than a few hudred miles away---BRAND is 1000X better predictor of local fan interest than distance.

Cant disagree and of course in the South it just means more. So Troy or UAB or Memphis will create more interest here than Colorado State but Boise would create a lot interest especially if they are ranked. Conversely you have to wonder if those western schools are willing to blow up their home schedule of familiar opponents for what the AAC is offering money wise. Again, WVU endures it for the direct deposit. Not sure any of those schools bites for 25% of that P5 money.

(06-04-2021 12:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

I cant imagine there's much difference between the fan interest in a school 1000 miles away and one 2500 miles away. I suspect more people would get excited over a game with Boise or BYU than a game vs Charlotte or ODU. Once you get out of state or more than a few hudred miles away---BRAND is 1000X better predictor of local fan interest than distance.

Beat me to it. Let's see a show of AAC hands here. If anybody had a choice of playing Boise in football or GA State, how many would prefer GA State?

Anybody?

(06-04-2021 12:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 12:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

I cant imagine there's much difference between the fan interest in a school 1000 miles away and one 2500 miles away. I suspect more people would get excited over a game with Boise or BYU than a game vs Charlotte or ODU. Once you get out of state or more than a few hudred miles away---BRAND is 1000X better predictor of local fan interest than distance.

Cant disagree and of course in the South it just means more. So Troy or UAB or Memphis will create more interest here than Colorado State but Boise would create a lot interest especially if they are ranked. Conversely you have to wonder if those western schools are willing to blow up their home schedule of familiar opponents for what the AAC is offering money wise. Again, WVU endures it for the direct deposit. Not sure any of those schools bites for 25% of that P5 money.

Really? I could see it in bball, but fball? Basketball fans typically travel farther and in greater quantities. As for filling up the Liberty Bowl, if the Tigers are winning (and it's not raining), people will come regardless of opponent. There's no mix of regional G5 opponents that will increase attendance. And, judging from the fan reaction (radio and online) of recently scheduled G5s by the former AD, MWC schools would be welcome.

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

I can emphasize with you Panama given that schools in the AAC are shut out of conferences they would rather be in; but to be honest most fans in places like USF, Memphis, Cincinnati, etc don’t even know Georgia State is an FBS program. You guys are newcomers to this level in the grand scheme of things and have a long way to go to even catch up with the likes of Boise, San Diego State or Colorado State in name recognition.

Sorry to come across harshly but most people in the stands don’t follow this as close as people who routinely post on message boards.

(06-04-2021 01:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

I can emphasize with you Panama given that schools in the AAC are shut out of conferences they would rather be in; but to be honest most fans in places like USF, Memphis, Cincinnati, etc don’t even know Georgia State is an FBS program. You guys are newcomers to this level in the grand scheme of things and have a long way to go to even catch up with the likes of Boise, San Diego State or Colorado State in name recognition.

Sorry to come across harshly but most people in the stands don’t follow this as close as people who routinely post on message boards.

^Agree and didn't mean to come across as harsh, just not used to anyone thinking Memphis football is a draw. lol

(06-04-2021 01:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:  My preference means nothing. But most conferences are looking inward not outward. Fewer and fewer fans are going to games even pre-COVID. Student and fan engagement is a problem. The solution is probably going to be a combination of better fan engagement, better stadium and arena ammenities and better game day experiences which includes better opponents that local fans ae familiar with and care about. I am unconvinced that fans will care about a school 2500 - 3000 miles away.

Just yesterday someone came on our board (Temple fan) about openings in their schedule. The reception was lukewarm at best and most fans turned to, "when is Tech?" or "Can we get a Tennessee rematch?".

I can emphasize with you Panama given that schools in the AAC are shut out of conferences they would rather be in; but to be honest most fans in places like USF, Memphis, Cincinnati, etc don’t even know Georgia State is an FBS program. You guys are newcomers to this level in the grand scheme of things and have a long way to go to even catch up with the likes of Boise, San Diego State or Colorado State in name recognition.

Sorry to come across harshly but most people in the stands don’t follow this as close as people who routinely post on message boards.

I have no idea what your post has to do with my post. LOL

(06-03-2021 04:37 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  Wow, the 247 team boards are silly and mean. That Temple board seems filled with crazies.

Hm?