(05-19-2021 02:25 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm in a White Sox (me) vs. Cubs (wife) marriage, which is a bigger deal around here in the Chicago area than any college rivalries. Note that this is a broader proxy for the South Side vs. North Side divide (culturally, income-wise, etc.).

It's all in good fun needling during games when they play each other. Of course, my son takes after his mother as a Cubs fan and he's the one that's way more into trash talk. Honestly, I'll watch baseball pretty much any time and anywhere, so I'd put my Cubs knowledge up there with any Cubs fan.

Was it a house divided in 2016, when we got Tribe vs Cubs in the World Series? I doubt you were rooting for Cleveland.

(05-20-2021 11:40 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-20-2021 10:54 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-19-2021 02:25 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm in a White Sox (me) vs. Cubs (wife) marriage, which is a bigger deal around here in the Chicago area than any college rivalries. Note that this is a broader proxy for the South Side vs. North Side divide (culturally, income-wise, etc.).

It's all in good fun needling during games when they play each other. Of course, my son takes after his mother as a Cubs fan and he's the one that's way more into trash talk. Honestly, I'll watch baseball pretty much any time and anywhere, so I'd put my Cubs knowledge up there with any Cubs fan.

Many college rivalries are also a "broader proxy" for cultural divides.

A lot of in-state rivalries pit big city lawyers & liberal arts majors against more rural engineers & farmers. Indiana-Purdue. Iowa-Iowa State. Auburn-Alabama. UNC-NC State. UVA-VT. Clemson-USC. Georgia-Georgia Tech (although the big-city vs rural part is reversed there).

Texas-Texas A&M has that, plus the militarism of A&M.

Penn State-Pitt is a cultural divide between the East Coast and a Rust Belt factory town.

Some are public school vs private school cultural clashes. USC-UCLA, Stanford-Cal, Tennessee-Vanderbilt, Duke-UNC.

BYU-Utah, Army-Navy, Missouri-Kansas, Pitt-West Virginia, Notre Dame-Miami - all cultural clashes.

LOL, there is nothing east coast about PSU. It's like you've never been there (obviously). Culture vs agriculture, maybe.

Yes, I've been there.

By "East Coast," I don't mean urban. If I had meant urban, I would have said "urban."

Actually, people often forget how much of the East Coast is agricultural. My Dad grew up in Connecticut, and he picked tobacco in the summer. My grandma lives 40 minutes from Philadelphia, and there's farms all around her house. But East Coast rural is distinctly different from Midwestern rural or Appalachian rural.

Similarly, Pittsburgh is more similar to Buffalo, Cleveland, or Detroit than it is to Philadelphia.

Penn State is the school for Philadelphians in the same way that UGA is the school for Atlantans and UC-Boulder is the school for Denverites. Sure, it's in the sticks, but there's way more students on campus Upper Dublin and Upper Marion than from Altoona High.

Penn State is also 42% out-of-state kids. There's way more of those from New Jersey than from Ohio (probably why there's 3 times as many PSU alums in New Jersey than in Ohio).

Hmm, If I had went on a date with a lady who turned out to be a fan of my teams arch rival. Well simple, If she's becomes obnoxious about it, she'll find herself walking home. If she can handle dating me and being playful about it, then it would be just fine.

(05-20-2021 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-20-2021 11:40 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-20-2021 10:54 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-19-2021 02:25 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm in a White Sox (me) vs. Cubs (wife) marriage, which is a bigger deal around here in the Chicago area than any college rivalries. Note that this is a broader proxy for the South Side vs. North Side divide (culturally, income-wise, etc.).

It's all in good fun needling during games when they play each other. Of course, my son takes after his mother as a Cubs fan and he's the one that's way more into trash talk. Honestly, I'll watch baseball pretty much any time and anywhere, so I'd put my Cubs knowledge up there with any Cubs fan.

Many college rivalries are also a "broader proxy" for cultural divides.

A lot of in-state rivalries pit big city lawyers & liberal arts majors against more rural engineers & farmers. Indiana-Purdue. Iowa-Iowa State. Auburn-Alabama. UNC-NC State. UVA-VT. Clemson-USC. Georgia-Georgia Tech (although the big-city vs rural part is reversed there).

Texas-Texas A&M has that, plus the militarism of A&M.

Penn State-Pitt is a cultural divide between the East Coast and a Rust Belt factory town.

Some are public school vs private school cultural clashes. USC-UCLA, Stanford-Cal, Tennessee-Vanderbilt, Duke-UNC.

BYU-Utah, Army-Navy, Missouri-Kansas, Pitt-West Virginia, Notre Dame-Miami - all cultural clashes.

LOL, there is nothing east coast about PSU. It's like you've never been there (obviously). Culture vs agriculture, maybe.

Yes, I've been there.

By "East Coast," I don't mean urban. If I had meant urban, I would have said "urban."

Actually, people often forget how much of the East Coast is agricultural. My Dad grew up in Connecticut, and he picked tobacco in the summer. My grandma lives 40 minutes from Philadelphia, and there's farms all around her house. But East Coast rural is distinctly different from Midwestern rural or Appalachian rural.

Similarly, Pittsburgh is more similar to Buffalo, Cleveland, or Detroit than it is to Philadelphia.

Penn State is the school for Philadelphians in the same way that UGA is the school for Atlantans and UC-Boulder is the school for Denverites. Sure, it's in the sticks, but there's way more students on campus Upper Dublin and Upper Marion than from Altoona High.

Penn State is also 42% out-of-state kids. There's way more of those from New Jersey than from Ohio (probably why there's 3 times as many PSU alums in New Jersey than in Ohio).

Having grown up in Altoona, and having lived in both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia for multiple years each, I'm calling you out as not knowing what the hell you are talking about. Obviously PSU get more kids in PA from high populations areas like the Montgomery and Chester compared to other counties, but also gets high numbers from Allegheny and Erie counties, but it is absolutely flush with students from Central PA and everywhere in between, and a large chunk of upper classmen get fed in from their branches. Penn State, and State College, are not culturally East Coast at all. It is dead center Pennsyltucky with everything that implies. Pittsburgh, correctly, is not at all like Philadelphia, nor is it at all like Detroit. It is its own thing. And btw, Pitt draws nearly three times as many students from New Jersey as Ohio, over twice as many from NY, and significantly more from both Maryland and Virginia. So I guess Pitt is East Coast by your calculation. And the "state" school for Philly kids is Temple, and that's not even debatable.

(05-20-2021 01:55 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(05-19-2021 02:25 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm in a White Sox (me) vs. Cubs (wife) marriage, which is a bigger deal around here in the Chicago area than any college rivalries. Note that this is a broader proxy for the South Side vs. North Side divide (culturally, income-wise, etc.).

It's all in good fun needling during games when they play each other. Of course, my son takes after his mother as a Cubs fan and he's the one that's way more into trash talk. Honestly, I'll watch baseball pretty much any time and anywhere, so I'd put my Cubs knowledge up there with any Cubs fan.

Was it a house divided in 2016, when we got Tribe vs Cubs in the World Series? I doubt you were rooting for Cleveland.

No, I wasn't rooting for Cleveland. I was cheering for the Cubs and genuinely happy when they won the World Series. There are so many Cubs fans in my life (both here and gone) that it was impossible not to feel joy for them. I've also honestly watched as many Cubs games as Sox games over the years, too - I'm not one of those Sox fans that roots against the Cubs. When I go to Wrigley or otherwise watch a Cubs game, I'll cheer for the Cubs as long as they're not playing the Sox.

Plus, if the Cubs had lost that Game 7, it would have been the most devastating moment in my then-2nd grader son's life. In a sliding doors world, that would have been the worst lifetime scarring sports fan moment that you could possibly imagine (beyond Buckner or Bartman because this would have been losing a big lead in freaking Game 7 to try to break a 108-year curse) that no one should have to endure, much less a kid at the beginning of his sports fandom. My own heart was pounding during that entire game - that had to be the most intense baseball game any of us will ever see with the monumental stakes involved and just the insane sequence of events that would have seemed like a ridiculous plot if you made it up in a movie. It's the ultimate example of where real life went beyond what we could imagine in fiction.