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247sports "College Team Talent" ranking
Realizing transfers are now a significant part of recruiting 247sports has developed the "College Team Talent" rankings which includes everyone on a roster.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...erence=AAC

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...Composite/

https://247sports.com/college/houston/Ar...149823255/
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(01-29-2021 07:46 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Realizing transfers are now a significant part of recruiting 247sports has developed the "College Team Talent" rankings which includes everyone on a roster.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...erence=AAC

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...Composite/

https://247sports.com/college/houston/Ar...149823255/

Excluding Navy... it is embarrassing that this conference has teams that can't get more than 1 4* football commit
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I assume this is based on original recruit rankings and not how players turn out? Like 1 offer 3 stars that turn into 5 star 1st round draft choices and so on.
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where all the expansion candidates discussed on this rank:

#70 BOISE STATE
#71 AFU
#73 FIU
#77 LA TECH
#78 UTSA
#79 CSU
#81 BYU
#83 FRESNO
#85 USM
#86 SDSU
#88 MARSHALL
#92 UAB
#93 APP STATE
#96 UNLV
# 98 NEVADA
# 102 ODU
# 104 UNI
# 105 GA STATE
# 115 RICE
# 121 BUFFALO
# 126 UMASS
# 127 LIBERTY
# 128 ARMY

I think that covers all of them
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(01-29-2021 07:32 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I assume this is based on original recruit rankings and not how players turn out? Like 1 offer 3 stars that turn into 5 star 1st round draft choices and so on.

Probably. I know we've got guys on our team that were 4* transfers but either they weren't worth their stars or our coaching staff just hasn't figured out how to play them.
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Excluding Navy... They can finish anywhere, including 1st, in any given year...

There's a clear separation between top 5 and bottom 5.
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(01-29-2021 07:53 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Excluding Navy... They can finish anywhere, including 1st, in any given year...

There's a clear separation between top 5 and bottom 5.

#10 Tulsa finished 2nd on the field this year. So the separation is really just on paper.
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(01-29-2021 08:26 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 07:53 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Excluding Navy... They can finish anywhere, including 1st, in any given year...

There's a clear separation between top 5 and bottom 5.

#10 Tulsa finished 2nd on the field this year. So the separation is really just on paper.

Perhaps, but that won't always be the case for all the teams that fell in the bottom 5.

Tulsa does that from time to time in just about any sport, most often in basketball
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It's based on 247 Composite, so on the star rankings.
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(01-30-2021 09:44 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  It's based on 247 Composite, so on the star rankings.

When are those 4* gonna start translating into wins for us? Asking for a friend...
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The formula is: good facilities, good coaches, and good athletes.
UH has P5 level facilities, expensive coaches, the best recruit ranking and best depth than it has had for years.

Khator is keeping her pledge.
“I want the University of Houston to be Tier One, which includes Tier One academically and Tier One athletically,” Khator said. “I’m going to support it in whatever way we can because athletics is such an important part of the overall student experience. It’s important for student learning. It’s important for student success. I just see it as one element in everything else we’re doing here.”
https://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/art...717169.php
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(01-30-2021 12:02 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  The formula is: good facilities, good coaches, and good athletes.
UH has P5 level facilities, expensive coaches, the best recruit ranking and best depth than it has had for years.

Khator is keeping her pledge.
“I want the University of Houston to be Tier One, which includes Tier One academically and Tier One athletically,” Khator said. “I’m going to support it in whatever way we can because athletics is such an important part of the overall student experience. It’s important for student learning. It’s important for student success. I just see it as one element in everything else we’re doing here.”
https://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/art...717169.php

Mhmm no one does less with more in this league than us. How many games are winning net year? 5 or 6?
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Cool concept and all, but I find it tough to take seriously when the top AAC team isn't even in the top 50 lol.

Like I get it's based off of players' original rankings... But doesn't this just reinforce the narrative that their original rankings are flawed as hell in the first place?
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(01-30-2021 06:50 PM)Nameless Wrote:  Cool concept and all, but I find it tough to take seriously when the top AAC team isn't even in the top 50 lol.

Like I get it's based off of players' original rankings... But doesn't this just reinforce the narrative that their original rankings are flawed as hell in the first place?

A lot of P5 programs seem to just recruit a ton of talent without any type of stable concept or reason. They are then able to sift through the talent at camp to build a roster - and then process the rest.

AAC teams cannot recruit in the same manner - smart AAC teams need to have something in mind for every single scholly spot. Too many misses, and you're 3-9.
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(01-30-2021 07:45 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(01-30-2021 06:50 PM)Nameless Wrote:  Cool concept and all, but I find it tough to take seriously when the top AAC team isn't even in the top 50 lol.

Like I get it's based off of players' original rankings... But doesn't this just reinforce the narrative that their original rankings are flawed as hell in the first place?

A lot of P5 programs seem to just recruit a ton of talent without any type of stable concept or reason. They are then able to sift through the talent at camp to build a roster - and then process the rest.

AAC teams cannot recruit in the same manner - smart AAC teams need to have something in mind for every single scholly spot. Too many misses, and you're 3-9.

I guess I get what you're saying, roster building is just as if not more important than individual talent (just look at Kentucky in hoops this year.) I still find it tough to believe that even if talent were the only factor, the AAC wouldn't have at least one top 30 team at worst. I know a lot of sites adjust their rankings once every player has signed, and they tend to give a boost to the players who signed with "P5" teams. That has to skew this composite a bit
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That’s pretty spot on if you flip Tulsa and Houston.


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Great concept from 24/7 and thanks for posting.

A couple things come to mind:

1) Since the AAC as a conference typically attracts about 4 overall 4-star recruits a year, which would translate to an expected total of about 15 for any bloc of full four-year rosters, but has about 30 on this list, this suggests that the transfer portal is working for us, not against us. More talent is trickling down to the G5, or at least to the AAC, than is being siphoned up to the P5 via the portal.

2) The highest-rated G5 team in these talent rankings is Houston at #55. Yet we have seen that a large number of G5 teams are being ranked well above that. For example, eight G5 or G5-Indy were ranked in the final AP top 25 this year.

This suggests one of two things: Either (a) the G5 just has much better coaches on average than the P5, or (b) rather than being an impediment to being ranked higher, G5 status is actually a benefit for teams of our talent profile, not a disadvantage.

Since (a) kind of beggars belief**, I think (b) is far more likely. And, this doesn't just apply with human voters. E.g., in the final 2019 Massey Composite rankings (I'm disregarding 2020 because of too few data points), we see that seven G5 teams were ranked in the final top 25, while fifteen G5 teams were ranked in the top 55, again the level of the highest G5 talent team, Houston.

This suggests that being G5 isn't just an advantage with respect to human voters, it also is an advantage in terms of computer calculations as well.

My speculation about computers? For all the talk about computers frowning on G5 because of Strength of Schedule, probably the biggest factor in their calculations is the same thing human voters value most, just plain old wins and losses. And a G5 team with say Boise or UCF's talent profile is likely to have a significantly better record playing a G5 schedule than a similarly, or even significantly more talented P5 team will playing a P5 schedule. It will therefore finish higher-ranked than even many P5 teams with significantly better talent, not just the same talent. A Mississippi State might have more 4-star players than App State and Tulsa combined, but if the G5 teams each go 10-2 and M-State finishes 6-6, it likely is just not going to be ranked as high as they are.

Of course, talent alone isn't everything, we know that by variances within the G5. Houston is #1 in talent but has not finished high in the AAC at all despite playing the same basic schedule that other AAC teams do. But across G/P categories, we can see the impact.

** You can actually think of an argument for it, but .... on balance not a likely one.
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I tried to do a similar deal with basketball, as 247 hasn’t built that “Team Talent” tool out yet. Got through the Top 15 teams in the AP/Coaches, plus the 3 bluest of blue bloods who aren’t currently ranked. I’ll work on filling out the AAC later. As stated, this is purely based off of 247 Composite ratings from when the players came out of HS, and does not include walk-ons, unless said walk-on is a significant contributor to the team. If a player was unrated by 247 out of HS, I assigned them a .5 rating, though if somebody has a better way of handling that, I’m open to adjustments.

1/1 Gonzaga 0.9333
2/2 Baylor 0.8348
3/3 Villanova 0.9204
4/4 Michigan 0.8626
5/5 Houston 0.8486
6/6 Texas 0.9690
7/9 Ohio State 0.8899
8/8 Iowa 0.8969
9/14 Oklahoma 0.7783
10/7 Alabama 0.9391
11/10 Tennessee 0.8992
12/13 Illinois 0.7984
13/11 Texas Tech 0.9087
14/15 Virginia 0.9388
15/12 Creighton 0.8982

UR Kentucky 0.9152
UR North Carolina 0.9568
UR Duke 0.9332
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