(12-11-2020 10:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 10:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 08:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 08:58 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 08:28 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Republicans do love America...

We love our vision of America.

Right...that was the whole of MAGA...take us back to a time when only white guys mattered.

That IS NOT what MAGA was about you fuk-stick.......... I respected you and your opinions, even if I disagreed with you. I do not any longer.

So tell me...when was American great, and when did it change to not being great?

Well, for starters---when various government entities openly decided laws dont matter anymore----and faced no consequences for those actions.

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

(12-11-2020 01:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Honestly--I no longer see this as a bad thing. The red states and blue states no longer have any wish to pull in the same direction. It was a nice run, but we are just making each other miserable at this point. This guy will be labeled a freak---but he's just saying out loud what we all know to be true. Im not suggesting that his proposal will go anywhere---but a nation this divided---is going to eventually have to allow its factions to peacefully go their own way--to--you know---do the pursue happiness thing.

+1.

(12-11-2020 10:11 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 10:08 AM)banker Wrote:  Split the country and give a 12’month period to work out trade and travel. During that time every American can decide where they want to live based on the proposed governance of each new country.

My guess is Ohio would stay with the red states of America. If it didn’t I would be willing to move.

Good plan. I cant imagine how pleasant it would be living Democrat free in Shelby County.

Ohio would split down the middle. Cleveland/Akron/Youngstown/Columbus would go blue with Penna.

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

You obviously didn't check very hard.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-...hance.html

(12-11-2020 02:22 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 10:11 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 10:08 AM)banker Wrote:  Split the country and give a 12’month period to work out trade and travel. During that time every American can decide where they want to live based on the proposed governance of each new country.

My guess is Ohio would stay with the red states of America. If it didn’t I would be willing to move.

Good plan. I cant imagine how pleasant it would be living Democrat free in Shelby County.

Ohio would split down the middle. Cleveland/Akron/Youngstown/Columbus would go blue with Penna.

Ohio would vote to go red. The residents of those cities could choose to leave or wise up.

(12-11-2020 02:22 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 10:11 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 10:08 AM)banker Wrote:  Split the country and give a 12’month period to work out trade and travel. During that time every American can decide where they want to live based on the proposed governance of each new country.

My guess is Ohio would stay with the red states of America. If it didn’t I would be willing to move.

Good plan. I cant imagine how pleasant it would be living Democrat free in Shelby County.

Ohio would split down the middle. Cleveland/Akron/Youngstown/Columbus would go blue with Penna.

It would be a state wide referendum. You wouldn’t like the result, but you could move to PA, MI or IL perhaps.

(12-11-2020 02:23 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

You obviously didn't check very hard.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-...hance.html

So, the right is equally as petulant as the left. Congrats.
That was going on around the same time repubs were trying to form a "new California" that split the state between urban & rural areas as well.

The thing the libs need to think through - are businesses going to want to locate in low tax, lower regulation Red America or high tax, high reg Blue America?

The humor in that is a that Blue America would have to become protectionist and put in high tariffs to survive along with limiting in-migration.

(12-11-2020 02:28 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:23 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

You obviously didn't check very hard.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-...hance.html

So, the right is equally as petulant as the left. Congrats.
That was going on around the same time repubs were trying to form a "new California" that split the state between urban & rural areas as well.

No, the right would just like to stay true to the constitution. The left seems to want to veer off into some type of socialist utopia despite the fact that socialism has shown repeatedly to be a failure.
I'm sure the rural folks would like to split since they do a bit of crop raising and dumba$$ liberals running that state pass regulation after regulation making it as hard as possible to make a living that way. Makes sense that they would want to split off from the insanity.

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

No, they just spent 4 years making up a hoax to overthrow the honestly elected president, which included spying on a campaign and a presidency.

Then they impeached a president for a phone call, while trying to suppress the evidence that their guy actually sold his influence to foreign countries to benefit his family.

Then they manufactured mail-in ballots in swing states to make sure their guy won this time around.

Yeah, that high horse you're on has pretty wobbly legs.

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:28 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:23 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

You obviously didn't check very hard.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-...hance.html

So, the right is equally as petulant as the left. Congrats.
That was going on around the same time repubs were trying to form a "new California" that split the state between urban & rural areas as well.

No, the right would just like to stay true to the constitution. The left seems to want to veer off into some type of socialist utopia despite the fact that socialism has shown repeatedly to be a failure.
I'm sure the rural folks would like to split since they do a bit of crop raising and dumba$$ liberals running that state pass regulation after regulation making it as hard as possible to make a living that way. Makes sense that they would want to split off from the insanity.

If this election has shown us anything, it's that repubs don't care one whit about the constitution - they only care about trying to stay in power.
The conspiracy theories and complete lack of evidence to support their cases in court aren't enough to try to undo a constitutional election, so they're just continuing to try to pull stuff out of a hat.

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

No, they just spent 4 years making up a hoax to overthrow the honestly elected president, which included spying on a campaign and a presidency.

Then they impeached a president for a phone call, while trying to suppress the evidence that their guy actually sold his influence to foreign countries to benefit his family.

Then they manufactured mail-in ballots in swing states to make sure their guy won this time around.

Yeah, that high horse you're on has pretty wobbly legs.

You've also impeached a president for getting a bj & lying about it, so the bar's pretty low on that.

The mail-in ballot statement is patently false considering that's been thrown out of court over and over around 50 times for not being based in any real fact.

(12-11-2020 02:41 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:28 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:23 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

You obviously didn't check very hard.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-...hance.html

So, the right is equally as petulant as the left. Congrats.
That was going on around the same time repubs were trying to form a "new California" that split the state between urban & rural areas as well.

No, the right would just like to stay true to the constitution. The left seems to want to veer off into some type of socialist utopia despite the fact that socialism has shown repeatedly to be a failure.
I'm sure the rural folks would like to split since they do a bit of crop raising and dumba$$ liberals running that state pass regulation after regulation making it as hard as possible to make a living that way. Makes sense that they would want to split off from the insanity.

If this election has shown us anything, it's that repubs don't care one whit about the constitution - they only care about trying to stay in power.
The conspiracy theories and complete lack of evidence to support their cases in court aren't enough to try to undo a constitutional election, so they're just continuing to try to pull stuff out of a hat.

Besides being wrong a good portion of the time you also have a selective memory. Remember all the moaning from the left about the electoral college after last election, remember all the Russian collusion that amounted to nothing, the fake dossier, etc...
I have no idea for sure whether there was anything that went on with the election that would be considered cheating or illegal but I have no problem with investigating it to make sure there wasn't and if nothing comes of it then we have China's own Joe Biden as our new president and folks such as yourself to thank for it.

(12-11-2020 02:33 PM)banker Wrote:  The thing the libs need to think through - are businesses going to want to locate in low tax, lower regulation Red America or high tax, high reg Blue America?

The humor in that is a that Blue America would have to become protectionist and put in high tariffs to survive along with limiting in-migration.

Honestly sounds like it would be good for competition in business. The blue would have to change their nutty ways or would be toast.

The biggest question we all are forgetting if the U.S. ever split up like is being suggested is the federal debt much of which is owed to CCP. We did help them out a lot back in the day. Wonder if they'd help either side out regarding the debt LMFAO.

I know D.C. is awfully blue, but are they blue enough to take on that debt themselves? No chance.

Edit: I'm sure it would be extremely complicated and some serious deals would have to be worked out regarding deficit and military bases. Dumb Question the more I think about it.

(12-11-2020 02:44 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

No, they just spent 4 years making up a hoax to overthrow the honestly elected president, which included spying on a campaign and a presidency.

Then they impeached a president for a phone call, while trying to suppress the evidence that their guy actually sold his influence to foreign countries to benefit his family.

Then they manufactured mail-in ballots in swing states to make sure their guy won this time around.

Yeah, that high horse you're on has pretty wobbly legs.

You've also impeached a president for getting a bj & lying about it, so the bar's pretty low on that.

The mail-in ballot statement is patently false considering that's been thrown out of court over and over around 50 times for not being based in any real fact.

First of all, I'm not a Republican, so I didn't impeach anybody. I just think the Dems have gone completely off the rails, so I sound like one for now. I want both parties to die. But at least Clinton actually broke a law, and Trump was impeached for not doing what Biden actually did, lol.

Second, you're ignoring the affadavits, videos and pics saying ballots were manufactured, not to mention the statistical anomalies and odd vote counting processes that only occurred in some swing states.

The fact they are being thrown out in court doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means once crooks get the ballots into the system, there is no way to identify which ones were cast illegally, and the courts have no remedy. One judge actually said that.

(12-11-2020 02:48 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:41 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:28 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:23 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  You obviously didn't check very hard.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-...hance.html

So, the right is equally as petulant as the left. Congrats.
That was going on around the same time repubs were trying to form a "new California" that split the state between urban & rural areas as well.

No, the right would just like to stay true to the constitution. The left seems to want to veer off into some type of socialist utopia despite the fact that socialism has shown repeatedly to be a failure.
I'm sure the rural folks would like to split since they do a bit of crop raising and dumba$$ liberals running that state pass regulation after regulation making it as hard as possible to make a living that way. Makes sense that they would want to split off from the insanity.

If this election has shown us anything, it's that repubs don't care one whit about the constitution - they only care about trying to stay in power.
The conspiracy theories and complete lack of evidence to support their cases in court aren't enough to try to undo a constitutional election, so they're just continuing to try to pull stuff out of a hat.

Besides being wrong a good portion of the time you also have a selective memory. Remember all the moaning from the left about the electoral college after last election, remember all the Russian collusion that amounted to nothing, the fake dossier, etc...
I have no idea for sure whether there was anything that went on with the election that would be considered cheating or illegal but I have no problem with investigating it to make sure there wasn't and if nothing comes of it then we have China's own Joe Biden as our new president and folks such as yourself to thank for it.

I had no issue with them recounting & re-checking the results in any of the close states. They've done it, and the votes were correct. The lawsuits are getting thrown out because they have no basis in fact.

Re: the "selective memory" comment - there is a vast difference between complaining about how much sense the electoral college makes today (I have no strong opinion on the issue, for the record) vs. trying to undo a legal election with lawsuits and no evidence.

I certainly remember the electoral college complaints in 2016, but you didn't see a concerted effort across democratic leadership to dismantle it.

(12-11-2020 02:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:44 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

No, they just spent 4 years making up a hoax to overthrow the honestly elected president, which included spying on a campaign and a presidency.

Then they impeached a president for a phone call, while trying to suppress the evidence that their guy actually sold his influence to foreign countries to benefit his family.

Then they manufactured mail-in ballots in swing states to make sure their guy won this time around.

Yeah, that high horse you're on has pretty wobbly legs.

You've also impeached a president for getting a bj & lying about it, so the bar's pretty low on that.

The mail-in ballot statement is patently false considering that's been thrown out of court over and over around 50 times for not being based in any real fact.

First of all, I'm not a Republican, so I didn't impeach anybody. I just think the Dems have gone completely off the rails, so I sound like one for now. I want both parties to die. But at least Clinton actually broke a law, and Trump was impeached for not doing what Biden actually did, lol.

Second, you're ignoring the affadavits, videos and pics saying ballots were manufactured, not to mention the statistical anomalies and odd vote counting processes that only occurred in some swing states.

The fact they are being thrown out in court doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means once crooks get the ballots into the system, there is no way to identify which ones were cast illegally, and the courts have no remedy. One judge actually said that.

No, you have proven to be a Trumpublican... a hybrid of George Wallace and Pat Buchanan.

Rudy has taken what he can present under oath and presented it before courts in every contested state, and he can’t get past the initial hearing. Why? Because YouTube videos and hearsay are not admissible evidence. Oh, they play to the President’s base of voters, but it’s just a case built on lies and the courts see it for what it is.

(12-11-2020 02:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:44 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 01:09 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I hope the SCOTUS is paying attention. The left are temper tantrum throwing mommas boys. Real Texans are men and they mean business.

Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

No, they just spent 4 years making up a hoax to overthrow the honestly elected president, which included spying on a campaign and a presidency.

Then they impeached a president for a phone call, while trying to suppress the evidence that their guy actually sold his influence to foreign countries to benefit his family.

Then they manufactured mail-in ballots in swing states to make sure their guy won this time around.

Yeah, that high horse you're on has pretty wobbly legs.

You've also impeached a president for getting a bj & lying about it, so the bar's pretty low on that.

The mail-in ballot statement is patently false considering that's been thrown out of court over and over around 50 times for not being based in any real fact.

First of all, I'm not a Republican, so I didn't impeach anybody. I just think the Dems have gone completely off the rails, so I sound like one for now. I want both parties to die. But at least Clinton actually broke a law, and Trump was impeached for not doing what Biden actually did, lol.

Second, you're ignoring the affadavits, videos and pics saying ballots were manufactured, not to mention the statistical anomalies and odd vote counting processes that only occurred in some swing states.

The fact they are being thrown out in court doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means once crooks get the ballots into the system, there is no way to identify which ones were cast illegally, and the courts have no remedy. One judge actually said that.

Were all these affidavits, videos & pics showing "proof" not a part of these lawsuits? If they were and they still got thrown out, it's obviously because they don't 'prove' anything in reality.

There was a list debunking some of the videos that were trying to be presented as "fake ballots" coming in, when they were actually just boxes used to store legitimate checked ballots for them to be counted. Kind of like the TV crew moving their camera equipment boxes in Michigan that Trump was trying to say were "fake ballots coming in."

While one judge may have been apologetic in his throwing out a case, there are plenty more who have flat-out said the cases lack truth, substance, and/or evidence.

The saddest things out of all of this are the suckers who are continuing to donate money to Trump to "fight this." "This" being a legal, legitimate election that he lost.

(12-11-2020 03:18 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:44 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-11-2020 02:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
Last I checked, the left wasn't trying to grab their ball & go home by floating a secession idea. Temper tantrum, indeed.

No, they just spent 4 years making up a hoax to overthrow the honestly elected president, which included spying on a campaign and a presidency.

Then they impeached a president for a phone call, while trying to suppress the evidence that their guy actually sold his influence to foreign countries to benefit his family.

Then they manufactured mail-in ballots in swing states to make sure their guy won this time around.

Yeah, that high horse you're on has pretty wobbly legs.

You've also impeached a president for getting a bj & lying about it, so the bar's pretty low on that.

The mail-in ballot statement is patently false considering that's been thrown out of court over and over around 50 times for not being based in any real fact.

First of all, I'm not a Republican, so I didn't impeach anybody. I just think the Dems have gone completely off the rails, so I sound like one for now. I want both parties to die. But at least Clinton actually broke a law, and Trump was impeached for not doing what Biden actually did, lol.

Second, you're ignoring the affadavits, videos and pics saying ballots were manufactured, not to mention the statistical anomalies and odd vote counting processes that only occurred in some swing states.

The fact they are being thrown out in court doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means once crooks get the ballots into the system, there is no way to identify which ones were cast illegally, and the courts have no remedy. One judge actually said that.

Rudy has taken what he can present under oath and presented it before courts in every contested state, and he can’t get past the initial hearing. Why? Because YouTube videos and hearsay are not admissible evidence. Oh, they play to the President’s base of voters, but it’s just a case built on lies and the courts see it for what it is.

I was trying to figure out a nice way to say this, but you did it better. All of these "gotcha" moments from twitter and BS stats continue to be explained away.