True story from my past.

In 1977, when the new “Centennial Hall” was preparing to open, I was a senior Army ROTC cadet (MSIV) at UT. I was selected by the ROTC cadre with the honor of presenting the US flag that hangs in Savage Arena to the University on behalf of the US Army. It may not look like it but is very large flag, and very likely the same one from all those years ago.

Subsequently I served 20 years in the Army on active duty. Served with many outstanding soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. We were all brothers and sisters in arms comprised of many races and beliefs. My family also has a long history of military service dating back to the Civil War including three brothers who served the Union in that conflict. One KIA, one WIA (amputated forearm), and one who survived unscathed.

I personally feel what women’s basketball team is doing brings more division amongst us than it brings unity. Plenty of other things to do with my time and money than to support and “Refuel Rockets” whose politics don’t align with mine.

(11-30-2020 03:17 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 02:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 01:44 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  Go Rockets!!!

^^^ Yes, and after watching the game yesterday, this will be a fun bunch to cheer for...

Four frosh and Sophs starting. There will be growing pains but there’s clearly talent there. Anyone know anything about Barnes, Bolser or Colon? Barnes was injured last year and Bolser was in HS. Are they still recovering or just caught in a numbers crunch? Barnes appeared talented if inconsistent and we can certainly use Bolser’s height. I know little about Colon.

Barnes looked to be in sweats with some sort of wrap or brace on her leg, so I'm thinking maybe she isn't cleared to play yet? Colon and Bolser were both dressed, so not sure why they didn't see the floor.

Colon was a big time scorer for her JC team, scoring nearly 1000 points in 2 seasons and was conference POY both years. So I had some hope she might be able to come in and provide an immediate scoring punch. I guess that remains to be seen.

(11-30-2020 07:27 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 03:17 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 02:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 01:44 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  Go Rockets!!!

^^^ Yes, and after watching the game yesterday, this will be a fun bunch to cheer for...

Four frosh and Sophs starting. There will be growing pains but there’s clearly talent there. Anyone know anything about Barnes, Bolser or Colon? Barnes was injured last year and Bolser was in HS. Are they still recovering or just caught in a numbers crunch? Barnes appeared talented if inconsistent and we can certainly use Bolser’s height. I know little about Colon.

Barnes looked to be in sweats with some sort of wrap or brace on her leg, so I'm thinking maybe she isn't cleared to play yet? Colon and Bolser were both dressed, so not sure why they didn't see the floor.

Colon was a big time scorer for her JC team, scoring nearly 1000 points in 2 seasons and was conference POY both years. So I had some hope she might be able to come in and provide an immediate scoring punch. I guess that remains to be seen.

Thanks.

(11-30-2020 10:44 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 10:50 PM)pono Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 09:48 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 09:41 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 09:20 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Report in the Blade that several of the women’s Rockets plus Yolanda took a knee during the national anthem. Enough for me to never watch them again.

im with you but it happens so much i just move on.

As will I, moving on from UT Women’s basketball. Personal choice.

so, if your nation was built on the kidnapping, murder, terrorizing, and forced labor of your family and ancestors you would always rise in obligation to honor it? and you would especially do so when it sings a song written to celebrate the perpetuation of those evils?

compulsory loyalty to a flag is called authoritarianism. places of freedom earn the loyalty of their citizens and don't force them to stand and prove it.

good win for the women. didn't get to watch but great to hear they played with effort, toughness and togetherness.

Literally every major civilization was built with slave labor. I love how only our nation is penalized for it. I also love how the star spangled banner “perpetuates those evils”. Seriously? Besides it’s author, nothing about the song does any of the sort.

See, this is why we should just play the anthem on special occasions. Eliminates 90% of this bull**** and speeds up the start of the game.

If players want to kneel, fine. I’ll still support my teams. Just don’t point the finger if attendance and revenue drop for a bit...

The anthem was written during the Atlantic front of the war of 1812 which was essentially the fight for emancipation of mid-Atlantic slaves. the "British" army fighting the US was primarily escaped US slaves, and it served as the largest emancipation event in 250 years of American history prior to Lincoln's proclamation. If you read into the historical moment (most nations outlawed slavery or the slave trade in the preceding decade, the Haitian Rev. the largest successful slave revolt in American history, a push back by the mid-Atlantic plantation system to expand slavery) you'd understand it was written in large part about this conflict, which is referenced in the original text (what we sing now is a sanitized remix).

And to be honest, people who have no skin in the game don't get to tell the victims when to get over over it. If I come into your home and kidnap your kids, I don't get to tell you how and when to forgive me. That's your call.

Anyways, back to basketball. I was just responding to others interjecting their politics into the thread.

(11-30-2020 09:21 PM)pono Wrote:  The anthem was .....

.... And to be honest, people who have no skin in the game don't get to tell the victims when to get over over it. If I come into your home and kidnap your kids, I don't get to tell you how and when to forgive me. That's your call.

Anyways, back to basketball. I was just responding to others interjecting their politics into the thread.

Typical Pono, has his say and demands that's all there is to say and he was just "responding." smh. :)

First, your analogy of stealing someone's kids seems way off. No one kneeling was ever taken. I imagine each has their own unique reasons but my understanding, that is not the cause for the kneeling anyhow.

Which "people" don't have skin (your wording) in the game? Who is this righteous indignation reserved for? Not those who found the practice abhorrent and put their lives on the line to end it? Not the far majority of the population that saw the evil it was and demanded it stop? They had no skin in the game? Is this apportioned somehow based upon DNA that is slave descended? Your spin now is they're kneeling at the anthem and not the flag and what it represents to them? That's a more palatable narrative?

If there's no risk to their protest, what worth does it have? None. So why get upset that people respond? And has the protest been effective, accomplished even one positive thing? No. The list of negatives grows.

If you wish to bring a social awareness to good people, do you do in a way that you know, in this case been informed is insulting? Or do you find another way, a less alienating way that might actually take more effort than kneeling but bring more to your side?

And seriously, who kneels at adversity? To each their own. I was taught differently. I kneel to my God because I'm subservient. I kneel to propose because I'm about to become subservient. :) This kneeling, I can't respect that on any level.

Now if they want to gather on their own time, on their own effort and sweat and accounting and have a demonstration of togetherness that is not intended to offend good hard working, risk taking, honest people? Count me in. But this effortless incivility they display? No one should be expected to support that.

(11-30-2020 11:03 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 09:21 PM)pono Wrote:  The anthem was .....

.... And to be honest, people who have no skin in the game don't get to tell the victims when to get over over it. If I come into your home and kidnap your kids, I don't get to tell you how and when to forgive me. That's your call.

Anyways, back to basketball. I was just responding to others interjecting their politics into the thread.

Typical Pono, has his say and demands that's all there is to say and he was just "responding." smh. :)

First, your analogy of stealing someone's kids seems way off. No one kneeling was ever taken. I imagine each has their own unique reasons but my understanding, that is not the cause for the kneeling anyhow.

Which "people" don't have skin (your wording) in the game? Who is this righteous indignation reserved for? Not those who found the practice abhorrent and put their lives on the line to end it? Not the far majority of the population that saw the evil it was and demanded it stop? They had no skin in the game? Is this apportioned somehow based upon DNA that is slave descended? Your spin now is they're kneeling at the anthem and not the flag and what it represents to them? That's a more palatable narrative?

If there's no risk to their protest, what worth does it have? None. So why get upset that people respond? And has the protest been effective, accomplished even one positive thing? No. The list of negatives grows.

If you wish to bring a social awareness to good people, do you do in a way that you know, in this case been informed is insulting? Or do you find another way, a less alienating way that might actually take more effort than kneeling but bring more to your side?

And seriously, who kneels at adversity? To each their own. I was taught differently. I kneel to my God because I'm subservient. I kneel to propose because I'm about to become subservient. :) This kneeling, I can't respect that on any level.

Now if they want to gather on their own time, on their own effort and sweat and accounting and have a demonstration of togetherness that is not intended to offend good hard working, risk taking, honest people? Count me in. But this effortless incivility they display? No one should be expected to support that.

We were told the kneeling was for police brutality and not the flag. Pono just confirms what we all knew from the beginning.

I’ll shut up now. We should return to Rocket sports

(11-30-2020 11:03 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 09:21 PM)pono Wrote:  The anthem was .....

.... And to be honest, people who have no skin in the game don't get to tell the victims when to get over over it. If I come into your home and kidnap your kids, I don't get to tell you how and when to forgive me. That's your call.

Anyways, back to basketball. I was just responding to others interjecting their politics into the thread.

Typical Pono, has his say and demands that's all there is to say and he was just "responding." smh. :)

First, your analogy of stealing someone's kids seems way off. No one kneeling was ever taken. I imagine each has their own unique reasons but my understanding, that is not the cause for the kneeling anyhow.

Which "people" don't have skin (your wording) in the game? Who is this righteous indignation reserved for? Not those who found the practice abhorrent and put their lives on the line to end it? Not the far majority of the population that saw the evil it was and demanded it stop? They had no skin in the game? Is this apportioned somehow based upon DNA that is slave descended? Your spin now is they're kneeling at the anthem and not the flag and what it represents to them? That's a more palatable narrative?

If there's no risk to their protest, what worth does it have? None. So why get upset that people respond? And has the protest been effective, accomplished even one positive thing? No. The list of negatives grows.

If you wish to bring a social awareness to good people, do you do in a way that you know, in this case been informed is insulting? Or do you find another way, a less alienating way that might actually take more effort than kneeling but bring more to your side?

And seriously, who kneels at adversity? To each their own. I was taught differently. I kneel to my God because I'm subservient. I kneel to propose because I'm about to become subservient. :) This kneeling, I can't respect that on any level.

Now if they want to gather on their own time, on their own effort and sweat and accounting and have a demonstration of togetherness that is not intended to offend good hard working, risk taking, honest people? Count me in. But this effortless incivility they display? No one should be expected to support that.

Very well stated.

(12-02-2020 06:04 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 11:03 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 09:21 PM)pono Wrote:  The anthem was .....

.... And to be honest, people who have no skin in the game don't get to tell the victims when to get over over it. If I come into your home and kidnap your kids, I don't get to tell you how and when to forgive me. That's your call.

Anyways, back to basketball. I was just responding to others interjecting their politics into the thread.

Typical Pono, has his say and demands that's all there is to say and he was just "responding." smh. :)

First, your analogy of stealing someone's kids seems way off. No one kneeling was ever taken. I imagine each has their own unique reasons but my understanding, that is not the cause for the kneeling anyhow.

Which "people" don't have skin (your wording) in the game? Who is this righteous indignation reserved for? Not those who found the practice abhorrent and put their lives on the line to end it? Not the far majority of the population that saw the evil it was and demanded it stop? They had no skin in the game? Is this apportioned somehow based upon DNA that is slave descended? Your spin now is they're kneeling at the anthem and not the flag and what it represents to them? That's a more palatable narrative?

If there's no risk to their protest, what worth does it have? None. So why get upset that people respond? And has the protest been effective, accomplished even one positive thing? No. The list of negatives grows.

If you wish to bring a social awareness to good people, do you do in a way that you know, in this case been informed is insulting? Or do you find another way, a less alienating way that might actually take more effort than kneeling but bring more to your side?

And seriously, who kneels at adversity? To each their own. I was taught differently. I kneel to my God because I'm subservient. I kneel to propose because I'm about to become subservient. :) This kneeling, I can't respect that on any level.

Now if they want to gather on their own time, on their own effort and sweat and accounting and have a demonstration of togetherness that is not intended to offend good hard working, risk taking, honest people? Count me in. But this effortless incivility they display? No one should be expected to support that.

Very well stated.

^^ Yep, I agree...
Life is full of choices, whether it involves protesting/demonstrating about social injustice... Do it on your own time or through certain avenues where as not to stir up animosity from others who may have a different point of view...
Go Rockets !!