(03-03-2021 06:23 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  This is the best ball movement I've seen from WSU all year.

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Tulane have gone rancid in the last four games. The defense that was stingy is now non-existent and making teams look better than they are.

I am starting to think that teams have figured out Hunter's zone in year two.

(03-03-2021 06:33 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I am starting to think that teams have figured out Hunter's zone in year two.

Gilbert is going burger boy on them. 7 assists in the first half

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(03-03-2021 04:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:34 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:04 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  Bama starts 3 seniors, 2 of which are guards

bama starts 1 senior guard, in john petty

the rest of their guard core--

-- jaden shackleford - true shopmore
-- jahvon quinelry- sophmore- this is his 1st year getting pt
-- josh primo- touted freshman
-- keon ellis- juco- this is his 1st year in D1

that is all the guards that play for them, that get minutes

who is this second guard you are talking about?????

(but to add to my point-- all 5 guards on bama are better off the dribble than any on memphis)

Most consider Jones a guard since he's pretty much the point. He's their playmaker. He's a senior

ive watched about 70% of the bama games this year....no one considers herbert jones their point .. he plays a similar role to deandre williams.. no one would call williams your point or playmaker, even though he is a key player

have you actually watched any bama games this year??.. or did you just take a quick glance at their stat sheet, and mistook herbert for a guard by accident??

I've seen many of their games. At crunch time, he has the ball. He leads them in assists. He is the playmaker. You just want to argue. They are a senior led team. You are wrong. Admit it. Stop your maddening spinning. It has gotten old.

I see what happens to Tulane in conference play, and it becomes understandable why Tulane bakes in nothing but wins prior to AAC play.

When we joined the AAC, we basically rescued the football program, WBB, and baseball programs. The sacrifice was men's hoops, which is buried alive in a league it will never compete in.

(03-03-2021 06:08 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:57 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:37 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  I don't really remember this discussion Penny's 1st year. He started 5 seniors. Jeremiah was his playmaker,

this doesnt back your point at all ..

im saying class doesnt matter, its the skillset that matters.... memphis roster as is (and what looks to be next years roster as is).. isnt built for super fast paced, you dont have payers that are great of the bounce

your respond with a roster that had martin, a player that was great off the bounce and could easily beat defenders off the dribble..
martin worked because he was great of the dribble not just because he was senior

We've been beating people off the driibble all year. We haven't finished well around the rim. We haven't shot the 3 ball well in our losses. We have been hitting 3's as of late. I agree about the pace, but I thought we were discussing half court offense. As for Martin, He was a 3 star recruit from Memphis that nobody really expect alot out of who developed into a great playmaker and scorer(AND FINISHER} by his JR and SR years. Just saying I believe when Penny regularly has upper classmen running this offense, it will look much better. For some of these higher ranked recruits, it takes a little while to get the hero ball out of their system.

no you havent... ive watched the majority of memphis games... beating people in iso, having players behind you....
memphis guard/wings dont beat anyone off the dribble... they attack basket and try to shoot/layup over them... they one thing i noticed with memphis that works is the pump fake and drive (especially on the weaker defenses) and picks....but straight up man to man (1 on 1) there isnt a memphis player that can beat anyone with good D 1on1

that is the real reason they are having trouble finishing, its becuase most of your layups/floaters are contested ...

dejon jarreau (on houston) had the exact same problem but for a completely different reason.. he is elite at beating players of the dribble..he was finishing at an elite level at sophomore.. as a junior last year our shooting as a team was really bad, so teams left us open at the 3 but collapsed on drives 2/3 defenders in the post, every layup contested..he was bad finishing as a junior....this year teams have gone back to being scared of us shooting, giving us true 1 on 1s again and he's gone back to being elite at finishing, becuase less of his layups are contested

(03-03-2021 04:57 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:37 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  I don't really remember this discussion Penny's 1st year. He started 5 seniors. Jeremiah was his playmaker,

this doesnt back your point at all ..

im saying class doesnt matter, its the skillset that matters.... memphis roster as is (and what looks to be next years roster as is).. isnt built for super fast paced, you dont have payers that are great of the bounce

your respond with a roster that had martin, a player that was great off the bounce and could easily beat defenders off the dribble..
martin worked because he was great of the dribble not just because he was senior

You're making it sound like players can't improve their game off the dribble. Boogie looks like he's improving in that area. Lomax has improved in that area. Jeremiah Martin wasn't anything special early on either. He drastically improved.

3 straight halves that Dexter has held Forbes without a FG

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(03-03-2021 06:56 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  3 straight halves that Dexter has held Forbes without a FG

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You're making Cross and Watson look good, though. Tulane is shooting 50pct, which would be OK if you weren't en fuego.

(03-03-2021 06:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 06:08 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:57 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:37 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  I don't really remember this discussion Penny's 1st year. He started 5 seniors. Jeremiah was his playmaker,

this doesnt back your point at all ..

im saying class doesnt matter, its the skillset that matters.... memphis roster as is (and what looks to be next years roster as is).. isnt built for super fast paced, you dont have payers that are great of the bounce

your respond with a roster that had martin, a player that was great off the bounce and could easily beat defenders off the dribble..
martin worked because he was great of the dribble not just because he was senior

We've been beating people off the driibble all year. We haven't finished well around the rim. We haven't shot the 3 ball well in our losses. We have been hitting 3's as of late. I agree about the pace, but I thought we were discussing half court offense. As for Martin, He was a 3 star recruit from Memphis that nobody really expect alot out of who developed into a great playmaker and scorer(AND FINISHER} by his JR and SR years. Just saying I believe when Penny regularly has upper classmen running this offense, it will look much better. For some of these higher ranked recruits, it takes a little while to get the hero ball out of their system.

no you havent... ive watched the majority of memphis games... beating people in iso, having players behind you....
memphis guard/wings dont beat anyone off the dribble... they attack basket and try to shoot/layup over them... they one thing i noticed with memphis that works is the pump fake and drive (especially on the weaker defenses) and picks....but straight up man to man (1 on 1) there isnt a memphis player that can beat anyone with good D 1on1

that is the real reason they are having trouble finishing, its becuase most of your layups/floaters are contested ...

dejon jarreau (on houston) had the exact same problem but for a completely different reason.. he is elite at beating players of the dribble..he was finishing at an elite level at sophomore.. as a junior last year our shooting as a team was really bad, so teams left us open at the 3 but collapsed on drives 2/3 defenders in the post, every layup contested..he was bad finishing as a junior....this year teams have gone back to being scared of us shooting, giving us true 1 on 1s again and he's gone back to being elite at finishing, becuase less of his layups are contested

Most teams zone us. We weren't shooting 3's well. You literally described our issue with the jarreau example. Same for ALO and Baugh. Boogie can get around anybody but you still have to make decisions with the ball. The zones are coming farther out now that we are making 3's. sometimes they are forced to play man. That's when Cisse gets involved on P&Rolls It's really as simple as making shots.

Apologies to WSU/Tulane. Didn't mean to hijack your game thread. I'll shut up now

(03-03-2021 07:05 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  Apologies to WSU/Tulane. Didn't mean to hijack your game thread. I'll shut up now

Memphis drama is just *chef's kiss*

Tulane is down 7 to a hot shooting WSU, go back to the trash talk. We'll tell you to shut up if this gets dicey in the final 4 minutes

(03-03-2021 07:02 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  Most teams zone us. We weren't shooting 3's well. You literally described our issue with the jarreau example. Same for ALO and Baugh. Boogie can get around anybody but you still have to make decisions with the ball. The zones are coming farther out now that we are making 3's. sometimes they are forced to play man. That's when Cisse gets involved on P&Rolls It's really as simple as making shots.

alo is not only short, he is not fast or agile...
do you genuinely believe if you left alo with a great defender 1 on 1, alo is blowing by him and scoring?

also again i watched most memphis games.. tulsa and tulane are the only team that have used zone on anyone in any long stretch this season

(03-03-2021 07:10 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 07:05 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  Apologies to WSU/Tulane. Didn't mean to hijack your game thread. I'll shut up now

Memphis drama is just *chef's kiss*

Tulane is down 7 to a hot shooting WSU, go back to the trash talk. We'll tell you to shut up if this gets dicey in the final 4 minutes

Tulane is actually shooting very similar percentages. Actually better from 3.

This is one of Etiennes worst games this year. Probably the worst beside the Memphis game.

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(03-03-2021 07:10 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 07:05 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  Apologies to WSU/Tulane. Didn't mean to hijack your game thread. I'll shut up now

Memphis drama is just *chef's kiss*

Tulane is down 7 to a hot shooting WSU, go back to the trash talk. We'll tell you to shut up if this gets dicey in the final 4 minutes

Forgot you guys had a game. Sorry

Forbes with his first bucket in 75 minutes of game time vs WSU this year ...

Thankfully for Tulane, Gilbert and Etienne left their shots in wichita.

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(03-03-2021 07:38 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Forbes with his first bucket in 75 minutes of game time vs WSU this year ...

Thankfully for Tulane, Gilbert and Etienne left their shots in wichita.

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Wade and Dennis shot at NBA levels tonight. It's college, there will always be a cold and hot shooter on any given night.

(03-03-2021 07:57 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 07:38 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Forbes with his first bucket in 75 minutes of game time vs WSU this year ...

Thankfully for Tulane, Gilbert and Etienne left their shots in wichita.

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Wade and Dennis shot at NBA levels tonight. It's college, there will always be a cold and hot shooter on any given night.

9-22 from the FT line as a team lol.

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Tulane is afraid to shoot a 3.

Winning ugly ... It's what we do

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