(02-09-2021 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  You can't prove election fraud with recounts and audits.

They will move a few votes. But the real problem is the thousands of mail-in votes that got dumped in, presumably without proper verification because there obviously wasn't sufficient time to verify properly, and at least in Pennsylvania the courts waived virtually all verification. Republicans should have fought the legal battles before, not after, the fact.

Now they need to drop this and focus on winning seats in both houses in 2022. A normal out-year election should give them control of the HOR, but they need to be working right now to secure that. The senate will be harder, because the seats up for grabs are something like 20 R, 13 D, reflecting Trump's coattails from 2016. But that's doable too, particularly if the economy heads where I think the democrats are going to drive it.

Republicans lost the senate due to continuing to drive the election fraud narrative instead of focusing on the Georgia runoff. Trumps direct attacks on Georgia election security really invigorated the democrat base and made the runoff about trump, for them it was like voting him out of office again.

(02-09-2021 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  You can't prove election fraud with recounts and audits.

They will move a few votes. But the real problem is the thousands of mail-in votes that got dumped in, presumably without proper verification because there obviously wasn't sufficient time to verify properly, and at least in Pennsylvania the courts waived virtually all verification. Republicans should have fought the legal battles before, not after, the fact.

Now they need to drop this and focus on winning seats in both houses in 2022. A normal out-year election should give them control of the HOR, but they need to be working right now to secure that. The senate will be harder, because the seats up for grabs are something like 20 R, 13 D, reflecting Trump's coattails from 2016. But that's doable too, particularly if the economy heads where I think the democrats are going to drive it.

Republicans lost the senate due to continuing to drive the election fraud narrative instead of focusing on the Georgia runoff. Trumps direct attacks on Georgia election security really invigorated the democrat base and made the runoff about trump, for them it was like voting him out of office again.

Both of you are right...

(02-09-2021 03:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  You can't prove election fraud with recounts and audits.
They will move a few votes. But the real problem is the thousands of mail-in votes that got dumped in, presumably without proper verification because there obviously wasn't sufficient time to verify properly, and at least in Pennsylvania the courts waived virtually all verification. Republicans should have fought the legal battles before, not after, the fact.
Now they need to drop this and focus on winning seats in both houses in 2022. A normal out-year election should give them control of the HOR, but they need to be working right now to secure that. The senate will be harder, because the seats up for grabs are something like 20 R, 13 D, reflecting Trump's coattails from 2016. But that's doable too, particularly if the economy heads where I think the democrats are going to drive it.

Republicans lost the senate due to continuing to drive the election fraud narrative instead of focusing on the Georgia runoff. Trumps direct attacks on Georgia election security really invigorated the democrat base and made the runoff about trump, for them it was like voting him out of office again.

Both of you are right...

Agree. One more instance of republicans are the stupid party. They should have focused on Georgia. And Mitch didn't need to come out against the $2,000 virus checks the weekend before the Georgia runoff day.

(02-09-2021 10:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 03:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 03:40 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  You can't prove election fraud with recounts and audits.
They will move a few votes. But the real problem is the thousands of mail-in votes that got dumped in, presumably without proper verification because there obviously wasn't sufficient time to verify properly, and at least in Pennsylvania the courts waived virtually all verification. Republicans should have fought the legal battles before, not after, the fact.
Now they need to drop this and focus on winning seats in both houses in 2022. A normal out-year election should give them control of the HOR, but they need to be working right now to secure that. The senate will be harder, because the seats up for grabs are something like 20 R, 13 D, reflecting Trump's coattails from 2016. But that's doable too, particularly if the economy heads where I think the democrats are going to drive it.

Republicans lost the senate due to continuing to drive the election fraud narrative instead of focusing on the Georgia runoff. Trumps direct attacks on Georgia election security really invigorated the democrat base and made the runoff about trump, for them it was like voting him out of office again.

Both of you are right...

Agree. One more instance of republicans are the stupid party. They should have focused on Georgia. And Mitch didn't need to come out against the $2,000 virus checks the weekend before the Georgia runoff day.