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(03-09-2021 08:30 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Early names being tossed around include Tulane's Willie Fritz and Jeff Monken from Army. I think the thought is their offensive schemes would serve as a bit of an equalizer for a locale that doesn't have the talent base. Fritz is very well versed in that region, both as a player at Pittsburg (Kansas) State and coaching at the Kansas JUCO level.

I posted this over on the college sports/realignment board...

Mark Mangino 50-48 [.510]
Turner Gill 5-19 [.208]
Charlie Weis 6-22 [.214]
David Beaty 6-42 [.125]
Les Miles 3-18 [.143]

This is why no good coach will go to Kansas. If they do they should have their head examined. There is no winning culture or infrastructure in that bottom dweller program. Mark Mangino had one great season in 2007 [12-1]. Factor that out and he went 38-47. Anyone know where any of the guys are on this list? Not head coaching...

(03-09-2021 02:08 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:01 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  [quote='CliftonAve' pid='17313118' dateline='1615296635']
Early names being tossed around include Tulane's Willie Fritz and Jeff Monken from Army. I think the thought is their offensive schemes would serve as a bit of an equalizer for a locale that doesn't have the talent base. Fritz is very well versed in that region, both as a player at Pittsburg (Kansas) State and coaching at the Kansas JUCO level.

Good candidates and I agree that their offenses would give Kansas a better chance to compete. Hypothetical I know, but one wonders if Brian Kelly had landed at Kansas instead of Cincinnati, could he have accomplished anything close to what he did here? I suspect the Jayhawks would have been more fun to watch--maybe made some of the B12's lower echelon bowls, but recruiting to Kansas may have kept the program from ever taking the next step.

And, of course, if the B10 in their wisdom decides to pluck Kansas from the B12, we know of a worthy replacement school.

How would you rate iowa state vs. Kansas?

ISU sold 43,000+ season tickets in 2019 and regularly fills a 61,000 seat stadium. Campbell turned the team around but it's definitely college football country up there with passionate fans.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...149326001/

When i think of isu pre-campbell i think of a program that belonged in the category of undeserving p5. The type of school that, along with Wake, Kansas, BC, and a number of other poor performing p5s, collectively prop up the top tier p5s. Off the top of my head, Campbell has received so many accolades for turning that program around. His record? 35-28. Given the media narrative about the guy, you would think he's regularly walked on water. i don't know if Kansas will ever figure it out, but i don't see too much of a difference between Kansas and isu.

For what it's worth, while i'm not a fan of lyle, i think this is exactly the type of program where he could thrive.

(03-09-2021 06:36 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 02:08 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:01 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  [quote='CliftonAve' pid='17313118' dateline='1615296635']
Early names being tossed around include Tulane's Willie Fritz and Jeff Monken from Army. I think the thought is their offensive schemes would serve as a bit of an equalizer for a locale that doesn't have the talent base. Fritz is very well versed in that region, both as a player at Pittsburg (Kansas) State and coaching at the Kansas JUCO level.

Good candidates and I agree that their offenses would give Kansas a better chance to compete. Hypothetical I know, but one wonders if Brian Kelly had landed at Kansas instead of Cincinnati, could he have accomplished anything close to what he did here? I suspect the Jayhawks would have been more fun to watch--maybe made some of the B12's lower echelon bowls, but recruiting to Kansas may have kept the program from ever taking the next step.

And, of course, if the B10 in their wisdom decides to pluck Kansas from the B12, we know of a worthy replacement school.

How would you rate iowa state vs. Kansas?

ISU sold 43,000+ season tickets in 2019 and regularly fills a 61,000 seat stadium. Campbell turned the team around but it's definitely college football country up there with passionate fans.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...149326001/

When i think of isu pre-campbell i think of a program that belonged in the category of undeserving p5. The type of school that, along with Wake, Kansas, BC, and a number of other poor performing p5s, collectively prop up the top tier p5s. Off the top of my head, Campbell has received so many accolades for turning that program around. His record? 35-28. Given the media narrative about the guy, you would think he's regularly walked on water. i don't know if Kansas will ever figure it out, but i don't see too much of a difference between Kansas and isu.

For what it's worth, while i'm not a fan of lyle, i think this is exactly the type of program where he could thrive.

Ehhh...I wouldnt lump them into that group. They were consistently at or above .500 over the last few decades, and thats WAYYYY better than where Wake/Kansas/Vandy has been in that stretch.

ISU’s fan support is off the chart for a program that is not a blue blood- from 2019 they had 59K in FB, 14,000 for men’s hoops, 9,700 for women’s hoops- when you factor in they have to compete with Iowa for in-state support that is impressive.

(03-09-2021 06:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 06:36 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 02:08 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:01 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  [quote='CliftonAve' pid='17313118' dateline='1615296635']
Early names being tossed around include Tulane's Willie Fritz and Jeff Monken from Army. I think the thought is their offensive schemes would serve as a bit of an equalizer for a locale that doesn't have the talent base. Fritz is very well versed in that region, both as a player at Pittsburg (Kansas) State and coaching at the Kansas JUCO level.

Good candidates and I agree that their offenses would give Kansas a better chance to compete. Hypothetical I know, but one wonders if Brian Kelly had landed at Kansas instead of Cincinnati, could he have accomplished anything close to what he did here? I suspect the Jayhawks would have been more fun to watch--maybe made some of the B12's lower echelon bowls, but recruiting to Kansas may have kept the program from ever taking the next step.

And, of course, if the B10 in their wisdom decides to pluck Kansas from the B12, we know of a worthy replacement school.

How would you rate iowa state vs. Kansas?

ISU sold 43,000+ season tickets in 2019 and regularly fills a 61,000 seat stadium. Campbell turned the team around but it's definitely college football country up there with passionate fans.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...149326001/

When i think of isu pre-campbell i think of a program that belonged in the category of undeserving p5. The type of school that, along with Wake, Kansas, BC, and a number of other poor performing p5s, collectively prop up the top tier p5s. Off the top of my head, Campbell has received so many accolades for turning that program around. His record? 35-28. Given the media narrative about the guy, you would think he's regularly walked on water. i don't know if Kansas will ever figure it out, but i don't see too much of a difference between Kansas and isu.

For what it's worth, while i'm not a fan of lyle, i think this is exactly the type of program where he could thrive.

Ehhh...I wouldnt lump them into that group. They were consistently at or above .500 over the last few decades, and thats WAYYYY better than where Wake/Kansas/Vandy has been in that stretch.

Iowa State had one winning season from 2006 to 2016. Big XII is a huge challenge but they have some awful years in their history. Kansas State has been really good for 30 years.

Watch demand for the head coach of Cleveland State. In 2 years he has resurrected a dead program. CSU is playing for the Horizon League championship on ESPN now.

(03-09-2021 06:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 06:36 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 02:08 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:01 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  [quote='CliftonAve' pid='17313118' dateline='1615296635']
Early names being tossed around include Tulane's Willie Fritz and Jeff Monken from Army. I think the thought is their offensive schemes would serve as a bit of an equalizer for a locale that doesn't have the talent base. Fritz is very well versed in that region, both as a player at Pittsburg (Kansas) State and coaching at the Kansas JUCO level.

Good candidates and I agree that their offenses would give Kansas a better chance to compete. Hypothetical I know, but one wonders if Brian Kelly had landed at Kansas instead of Cincinnati, could he have accomplished anything close to what he did here? I suspect the Jayhawks would have been more fun to watch--maybe made some of the B12's lower echelon bowls, but recruiting to Kansas may have kept the program from ever taking the next step.

And, of course, if the B10 in their wisdom decides to pluck Kansas from the B12, we know of a worthy replacement school.

How would you rate iowa state vs. Kansas?

ISU sold 43,000+ season tickets in 2019 and regularly fills a 61,000 seat stadium. Campbell turned the team around but it's definitely college football country up there with passionate fans.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...149326001/

When i think of isu pre-campbell i think of a program that belonged in the category of undeserving p5. The type of school that, along with Wake, Kansas, BC, and a number of other poor performing p5s, collectively prop up the top tier p5s. Off the top of my head, Campbell has received so many accolades for turning that program around. His record? 35-28. Given the media narrative about the guy, you would think he's regularly walked on water. i don't know if Kansas will ever figure it out, but i don't see too much of a difference between Kansas and isu.

For what it's worth, while i'm not a fan of lyle, i think this is exactly the type of program where he could thrive.

Ehhh...I wouldnt lump them into that group. They were consistently at or above .500 over the last few decades, and thats WAYYYY better than where Wake/Kansas/Vandy has been in that stretch.

i would say 1/4 of the time over the past couple of decades they were at or above .500. Those schedules include a minimum of one tune up and, at times, three mid-major or lower schools on the schedule. Honestly, neither here nor there for the purpose of my discussion. Do they deserve to be one tier above p5 doormat? i won't protest too much. That said, both Wake and Kansas have made a BCS bowl appearance, fwiw.

Give Brannen a chance. He is a good coach.

(03-09-2021 10:07 PM)Hemond Wrote:  Give Brannen a chance. He is a good coach.

Not sure if anybody caught Pat Kelsey on a couple local interviews today on 700wlw. He and Brannen evidently are very good friends. He was over the top in his praise of Brannen.

(03-09-2021 10:07 PM)Hemond Wrote:  Give Brannen a chance. He is a good coach.

But he doesn't know any good plays to run and none of our fans will share good ones with him.

(03-09-2021 06:57 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ISU’s fan support is off the chart for a program that is not a blue blood- from 2019 they had 59K in FB, 14,000 for men’s hoops, 9,700 for women’s hoops- when you factor in they have to compete with Iowa for in-state support that is impressive.

It's been a few years but I've been to the ISU campus and it's really impressive, including the football stadium where they double our attendance most home games.

I know some of us were frustrated at the love ISU was receiving from the CFP late last season, especially when it came at UC's expense. But I think ISU is a bona fide P5 and has the resources to compete in the B12 in football and basketball.

It is fair to suggest that if Campbell has another great season he'll top the list for more elite P5 jobs and the newfound success may be short lived as a result of that.

Yep...Michigan and Notre Dame are both preparing their Campbell plans already.

Campbell gets an awful lot of love for being 35 - 28 at ISU...

Campbell has done a hell of a job there.

Makes good soup.