(08-15-2020 06:27 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Notice what states are automatically sending out ballots....

California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, New Jersey, Hawaii, Vermont, DC

All Democratic utopias... all places where real Americans don’t live

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/how-to-vote-2020/

https://twitter.com/MinnesotaWit/status/...8692346886

STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB

(08-14-2020 10:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

perhaps the worldwide pandemic? that's why I'm voting by mail...

put on a hazmat suit then ...

PUSSIFICATION OF AMERICA

(08-14-2020 10:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

perhaps the worldwide pandemic? that's why I'm voting by mail...

OK hipster. In that case you must surely be staying home every day, right? Not going to work, not going to the grocery store, not going to Walmart, right? But wait, you wear your mask to go to all those places you say?

GTFOH with that crap.

(08-15-2020 08:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 10:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

perhaps the worldwide pandemic? that's why I'm voting by mail...

OK hipster. In that case you must surely be staying home every day, right? Not going to work, not going to the grocery store, not going to Walmart, right? But wait, you wear your mask to go to all those places you say?

GTFOH with that crap.

Lying is Chapter 1 and being disingenuous is Chapter 2 in the liberal handbook.

(08-15-2020 08:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 10:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

perhaps the worldwide pandemic? that's why I'm voting by mail...

OK hipster. In that case you must surely be staying home every day, right? Not going to work, not going to the grocery store, not going to Walmart, right? But wait, you wear your mask to go to all those places you say?

GTFOH with that crap.

Haven't you seen the movies!!! It's everywhere!!! It's coming for us ALL!!!!

There's NO WAY we can survive going to the polls and voting.

So just mail in your ballot and let Karen the ballot opener throw your vote for Trump in the trash.

But, muh virus

(08-15-2020 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 08:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 10:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

perhaps the worldwide pandemic? that's why I'm voting by mail...

OK hipster. In that case you must surely be staying home every day, right? Not going to work, not going to the grocery store, not going to Walmart, right? But wait, you wear your mask to go to all those places you say?

GTFOH with that crap.

Haven't you seen the movies!!! It's everywhere!!! It's coming for us ALL!!!!

There's NO WAY we can survive going to the polls and voting.

So just mail in your ballot and let Karen the ballot opener throw your vote for Trump in the trash.

when I was in HS, I was tasked with grading what we called, "the IDIOT test for employment"..........if you don't think I went straight to the the trick question and played hoops with the trash can across the room when they whiffed it, you'd also be an idiot...

that 'test' today would be illegal .....just like tossing ballots thru said 'hoop'...

to put your vote in the hands of bias is a fk'n joke festival of bs...

MAIL IN IDIOTS

(08-14-2020 10:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How do you verify that the person who sends in a mail-in ballot is in fact the person who is entitled to vote on that ballot?

Quote:Identity verification: The principal method used to detect and prevent fraud is the mail ballot envelope itself, where each voter must include personal identifying information (such as address, birthday, and driver’s license number or last four digits of a Social Security number). In most states, that information includes a signature that can be used to match against the voter rolls. The voter’s remaining personal information is also matched against the information stored on the voter rolls. As Kim Wyman, Washington’s Republican secretary of state, explained, “we actually compare every single signature of every single ballot that comes in and we compare it and make sure that it matches the one on their voter registration record.” This is a long-standing and well-established practice to ensure that the ballot received was indeed cast by the correct voter. It’s important to note though that there are best and worst practices with signature matching. When done incorrectly, it can disenfranchise eligible voters. Done correctly — with signature matching software, bipartisan review by officials trained in signature verification, and outreach to flagged voters — it is an effective deterrent for fraud.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a...mail-fraud

But the biggest thing is the deterrent. Who in hell is going to commit a felony for one freaking vote?

And the notion that fraud would only be committed by democrats, or substantially more by them, is looney bin territory.

Voter fraud won't be the problem. Lost ballots, Voters not getting ballots and the overwhelming of the Postal Service will be the problem. The Postal Service is already warning that they can not guarantee that your ballot will get to where it is supposed to be counted on time.

I have a long time friend and golf buddy that has been a mail carrier for close to 30 years. He openly told me recently this is going to overwhelm the system and that it could take more than a week for the ballots to be delivered... if then. He predicts a fiasco in November with mail in balloting with TONS of ballots not getting counted or lost.

(08-15-2020 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 10:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How do you verify that the person who sends in a mail-in ballot is in fact the person who is entitled to vote on that ballot?

Quote:Identity verification: The principal method used to detect and prevent fraud is the mail ballot envelope itself, where each voter must include personal identifying information (such as address, birthday, and driver’s license number or last four digits of a Social Security number). In most states, that information includes a signature that can be used to match against the voter rolls. The voter’s remaining personal information is also matched against the information stored on the voter rolls. As Kim Wyman, Washington’s Republican secretary of state, explained, “we actually compare every single signature of every single ballot that comes in and we compare it and make sure that it matches the one on their voter registration record.” This is a long-standing and well-established practice to ensure that the ballot received was indeed cast by the correct voter. It’s important to note though that there are best and worst practices with signature matching. When done incorrectly, it can disenfranchise eligible voters. Done correctly — with signature matching software, bipartisan review by officials trained in signature verification, and outreach to flagged voters — it is an effective deterrent for fraud.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a...mail-fraud

But the biggest thing is the deterrent. Who in hell is going to commit a felony for one freaking vote?

And the notion that fraud would only be committed by democrats, or substantially more by them, is looney bin territory.

Voter fraud won't be the problem. Lost ballots, Voters not getting ballots and the overwhelming of the Postal Service will be the problem. The Postal Service is already warning that they can not guarantee that your ballot will get to where it is supposed to be counted on time.

I have a long time friend and golf buddy that has been a mail carrier for close to 30 years. He openly told me recently this is going to overwhelm the system and that it could take more than a week for the ballots to be delivered... if then. He predicts a fiasco in November with mail in balloting with TONS of ballots not getting counted or lost.

more hands it passes thru, more problems...

it's pretty fk'n simple.. .

(08-14-2020 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 12:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Rest assured, libs. Fauci says it's OK to vote in person.

Fauci says there is 'no reason' Americans can't vote in person in November


BTW, I voted in person during the Aug 6 election in Memphis. So far, so good.

I plan to vote in person.

But I also live in a rather small town that won't have a line or be overly crowded when I vote at 7 in the morning.

I see no real issue. People can still early vote...People can still vote absentee. They will just have to social distance at the polls. I don't see the big deal.

(08-14-2020 10:50 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:28 AM)green Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

Nothing.

What's wrong with mail-in voting? We've had it for just about as long.

FWIW - donny and mel just requested absentee ballots.

universal mail-in voting is a recent phenomenon promoted in a handful of blue states ...
why the urgency to experiment this year of all years on a grand scale ...

PLAYING FAST & LOOSE

It’s the universal part that bothers me. If everyone gets a ballot mailed to their house without requesting one, we are opening up a whole new can of worms.

I currently get mail at my address for no less than 5 previous residents. Several of which still have bills and other important documents mailed here on occasion. If you don’t update your contact info at your dentist or eye doctor, I don’t trust that you have updated yourself voter registration either. With universal mail in voting, I’d guess their is a better than 60% chance I would get at least 2 mail in ballots in my mailbox that don’t belong to my wife and I.

Do to a quirk in my address, we get junk mail AND census forms in triplicate. One set with East in front of our street name, one set with West in front of our street name, and a third set with neither East nor West. With the goofy way the streets are named in our town, I am sure countless others here experience this. If the Post Office and US Census Bureau can’t figure out they are addressing and delivering mail in triplicate to the same mailbox with three different addresses then you can’t convince me the Post Office and election boards can effectively deliver 300+ million mail in ballots to the right place.

And the thought that someone is going to individually double check each signature against an “original” from 50 years ago or something is just silly-talk.

This approach will be rife with fraud, and it’s just what the anarchists and leftists are counting on.

(08-15-2020 10:15 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 12:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Rest assured, libs. Fauci says it's OK to vote in person.

Fauci says there is 'no reason' Americans can't vote in person in November


BTW, I voted in person during the Aug 6 election in Memphis. So far, so good.

I plan to vote in person.

But I also live in a rather small town that won't have a line or be overly crowded when I vote at 7 in the morning.

I see no real issue. People can still early vote...People can still vote absentee. They will just have to social distance at the polls. I don't see the big deal.

If you can go to the grocery store, liquor store, Wal Mart, or your local 'peaceful protest' you can go vote in person. Period. Full Stop. It's all a sham to push for mail - in voting. In most places, big difference btw mail-in and absentee voting.

(08-14-2020 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

Nothing.

What's wrong with mail-in voting? We've had it for just about as long.

FWIW - donny and mel just requested absentee ballots.

Stop it Tom. You know damn well there is a vast difference between an absentee ballot and mass mail in balloting. We already have evidence of how badly that works in the states it has been tried. 24million ballots missing since 2016 is evidence enough that doing this nationwide would be an unmitigated disaster. Its also discriminatory against poor people that tend to move addresses more frequently. We have no way to track these people and get them a ballot. Bottom line...Put a damn mask on...stay 6 feet from each other and go vote. Stop making a problem where there isn't one.

Vast my ass. The difference is one was specifically requested while the other was sent due to state approved laws. The verification process is still virtually identical.

But I suppose you could point to all the cases of fraud with either method? Maybe trump could appoint a commission to find it...oh...wait...

Not so fast there LeftwingTom. Before I retired I was frequently required to travel across the country or overseas for my job. Once or twice it happened during a presidential election. I voted "absentee" prior to the election knowing that I would not be in state to vote on election day due to my work/travel requirement during that time. I voted in my city, and at the counter where they are in charge of handing out absentee ballots. I provided my ID, my reason for requiring an absentee ballot, I filled in my vote then and there, and handed it over to the registrar. Everything was checked, verified, and secure. Bottom line, not every "absentee" ballot is done via mail, nor should they be. If someone knows they will be unable to go to the polls ahead of time, they should do it the same way I did if that is possible. In most cases it would be. In the President's case, probably wouldn't be since he spends the vast majority of his time in D.C. as opposed to Florida.

(08-14-2020 05:16 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 05:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 04:49 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 04:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 04:42 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  During a pandemic, reducing funding andor dismantling andor reducing the effectiveness/ease of mail based voting andor USPS functioning is about as moronic and corrupt as it gets. It's also blatantly transparent.

Now is the time to be beefing up regulatory agencies surrounding election security and voter fraud. Clearly this is not happening and represents willful administrative failure.

Complain to Fauci. He said wear a mask, distance, and go vote as normal.

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You should have the option to securely vote by mail, vote early, vote day of. We're one of the greatest countries on the planet and 3rd world countries handle their elections better.

Yea, it’s called Absentee ballot. Go git yer self one, they’re FREE!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/how-to-vote-2020/

Not that easy in all 50 states.

Muh Nate!

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(08-15-2020 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 10:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How do you verify that the person who sends in a mail-in ballot is in fact the person who is entitled to vote on that ballot?

Quote:Identity verification: The principal method used to detect and prevent fraud is the mail ballot envelope itself, where each voter must include personal identifying information (such as address, birthday, and driver’s license number or last four digits of a Social Security number). In most states, that information includes a signature that can be used to match against the voter rolls. The voter’s remaining personal information is also matched against the information stored on the voter rolls. As Kim Wyman, Washington’s Republican secretary of state, explained, “we actually compare every single signature of every single ballot that comes in and we compare it and make sure that it matches the one on their voter registration record.” This is a long-standing and well-established practice to ensure that the ballot received was indeed cast by the correct voter. It’s important to note though that there are best and worst practices with signature matching. When done incorrectly, it can disenfranchise eligible voters. Done correctly — with signature matching software, bipartisan review by officials trained in signature verification, and outreach to flagged voters — it is an effective deterrent for fraud.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a...mail-fraud

But the biggest thing is the deterrent. Who in hell is going to commit a felony for one freaking vote?

And the notion that fraud would only be committed by democrats, or substantially more by them, is looney bin territory.

Voter fraud won't be the problem. Lost ballots, Voters not getting ballots and the overwhelming of the Postal Service will be the problem. The Postal Service is already warning that they can not guarantee that your ballot will get to where it is supposed to be counted on time.

I have a long time friend and golf buddy that has been a mail carrier for close to 30 years. He openly told me recently this is going to overwhelm the system and that it could take more than a week for the ballots to be delivered... if then. He predicts a fiasco in November with mail in balloting with TONS of ballots not getting counted or lost.

The biggest problem I see is all the ballots that are mailed in AND the same people show up to vote on Election Day. How the hell are they going to sort that out? Especially in places like California that have been accepting late votes the last few cycles.

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(08-15-2020 10:49 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 10:50 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:28 AM)green Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 07:57 AM)green Wrote:  what’s wrong with in-person voting ...
we’ve only had it since the birth of our nation ....

ISSUE AT HAND

Nothing.

What's wrong with mail-in voting? We've had it for just about as long.

FWIW - donny and mel just requested absentee ballots.

universal mail-in voting is a recent phenomenon promoted in a handful of blue states ...
why the urgency to experiment this year of all years on a grand scale ...

PLAYING FAST & LOOSE

It’s the universal part that bothers me. If everyone gets a ballot mailed to their house without requesting one, we are opening up a whole new can of worms.

I currently get mail at my address for no less than 5 previous residents. Several of which still have bills and other important documents mailed here on occasion. If you don’t update your contact info at your dentist or eye doctor, I don’t trust that you have updated yourself voter registration either. With universal mail in voting, I’d guess their is a better than 60% chance I would get at least 2 mail in ballots in my mailbox that don’t belong to my wife and I.

Do to a quirk in my address, we get junk mail AND census forms in triplicate. One set with East in front of our street name, one set with West in front of our street name, and a third set with neither East nor West. With the goofy way the streets are named in our town, I am sure countless others here experience this. If the Post Office and US Census Bureau can’t figure out they are addressing and delivering mail in triplicate to the same mailbox with three different addresses then you can’t convince me the Post Office and election boards can effectively deliver 300+ million mail in ballots to the right place.

And the thought that someone is going to individually double check each signature against an “original” from 50 years ago or something is just silly-talk.

This approach will be rife with fraud, and it’s just what the anarchists and leftists are counting on.

Or cross checking every ballot to see if they already voted.

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(08-15-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 10:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2020 08:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How do you verify that the person who sends in a mail-in ballot is in fact the person who is entitled to vote on that ballot?

Quote:Identity verification: The principal method used to detect and prevent fraud is the mail ballot envelope itself, where each voter must include personal identifying information (such as address, birthday, and driver’s license number or last four digits of a Social Security number). In most states, that information includes a signature that can be used to match against the voter rolls. The voter’s remaining personal information is also matched against the information stored on the voter rolls. As Kim Wyman, Washington’s Republican secretary of state, explained, “we actually compare every single signature of every single ballot that comes in and we compare it and make sure that it matches the one on their voter registration record.” This is a long-standing and well-established practice to ensure that the ballot received was indeed cast by the correct voter. It’s important to note though that there are best and worst practices with signature matching. When done incorrectly, it can disenfranchise eligible voters. Done correctly — with signature matching software, bipartisan review by officials trained in signature verification, and outreach to flagged voters — it is an effective deterrent for fraud.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a...mail-fraud

But the biggest thing is the deterrent. Who in hell is going to commit a felony for one freaking vote?

And the notion that fraud would only be committed by democrats, or substantially more by them, is looney bin territory.

Voter fraud won't be the problem. Lost ballots, Voters not getting ballots and the overwhelming of the Postal Service will be the problem. The Postal Service is already warning that they can not guarantee that your ballot will get to where it is supposed to be counted on time.

I have a long time friend and golf buddy that has been a mail carrier for close to 30 years. He openly told me recently this is going to overwhelm the system and that it could take more than a week for the ballots to be delivered... if then. He predicts a fiasco in November with mail in balloting with TONS of ballots not getting counted or lost.

The biggest problem I see is all the ballots that are mailed in AND the same people show up to vote on Election Day. How the hell are they going to sort that out? Especially in places like California that have been accepting late votes the last few cycles.

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didn't think about that one...

EXCELLENT POINT

the only recourse is to spend $$$ not available to prosecute +100k in many areas.. .